Members who have left.

[PerfectWagnerite]

A pillar of our community here for sure.  Heck, I read his old posts from time to time.....like a great book, you learn something from them with each new read.

Like what? Like it's cool to shoot deer in the wild?

[Bogey]

Like what? Like it's cool to shoot deer in the wild?

As long as you eat it, no problem here.  Out of the two, I find the idea of slaughterhouses, on the other hand,  much more repulsive, of which I am a hypocrite as that is where the meat on my plate usually comes from.  Just my opinion.

[Haffner]

It amazes me that folks here aren't striving harder to lure M. back. I'm sure he could come back, if he got with the administrators. I keep seeing this topic pop up in my updateds and this is the only page I haven't seen M.'s name on. Get him back!

[Renfield]

It amazes me that folks here aren't striving harder to lure M. back. I'm sure he could come back, if he got with the administrators. I keep seeing this topic pop up in my updateds and this is the only page I haven't seen M.'s name on. Get him back!

He's banned, he can't get back. He has to create a new account, and even then be confronted by the moderators, and permitted to stay.


Incidentally, I seem to have forgotten to welcome you back! Welcome back, Andy.

[Kullervo]

I, too wonder what happened to DavidRoss. He is one of the nicest guys here.

[Dancing Divertimentian]

It amazes me that folks here aren't striving harder to lure M. back. I'm sure he could come back, if he got with the administrators. I keep seeing this topic pop up in my updateds and this is the only page I haven't seen M.'s name on. Get him back!

Yeah, I guess for a "go for the throat attack rottweiler" he wasn't so bad. But certainly there are more civil ways to make a point.

I hope you understand that there are people who've RETURNED because M has left. Valuable people who give light and friendship to this board. Let M come back and watch them leave. Which do you prefer?

Anyway, this is pure gold:

What's this, masochist memorial day or something?

[Dancing Divertimentian]

I, too wonder what happened to DavidRoss. He is one of the nicest guys here.

Hear, hear.

Proof that folks can have vast knowledge along with quality social skills.

[Harry]

It amazes me that folks here aren't striving harder to lure M. back. I'm sure he could come back, if he got with the administrators. I keep seeing this topic pop up in my updateds and this is the only page I haven't seen M.'s name on. Get him back!

You are serious right! What a disappointing attitude from you Andy.
You clearly forgot what a major disaster this guy was, and still is.
Why ever would you think and say such a thing?

[Renfield]

You are serious right! What a disappointing attitude from you Andy.
You clearly forgot what a major disaster this guy was, and still is.
Why ever would you think and say such a thing?

Because some of us do not see the world, and especially humanity, as a battlefield between Good and Evil.

(And I am not necessarily implying you do, Harry, but this might well be the reason behind Andy's view. )

[Herman]

Proof that folks can have vast knowledge along with quality social skills.

The way I remember DR there was also a fair amount of pedantry in the mix, but that was a long time ago.

I'm not saying this to be negative. I think a place like this takes all kinds.

[The new erato]

I think a place like this takes all kinds.

I feel comforted.

[Haffner]

He's banned, he can't get back. He has to create a new account, and even then be confronted by the moderators, and permitted to stay.


Incidentally, I seem to have forgotten to welcome you back! Welcome back, Andy.

Thanks so much! It's wonderful to be back with members like you.

[Haffner]

Yeah, I guess for a "go for the throat attack rottweiler" he wasn't so bad. But certainly there are more civil ways to make a point.

I hope you understand that there are people who've RETURNED because M has left. Valuable people who give light and friendship to this board. Let M come back and watch them leave. Which do you prefer?

From what M. wrote me in private messages, as well as the histrionic nature of his postings, this forum was a big part of his life. In that sense, I wish he could be allowed to return here. Other than that, I saw through M. quicker than a few others did on this board. A miserable person tends to want to drag others down with him or her.

I became emotionally detached from M.'s instability, save for feeling sympathy for his obvious desperation. Not that I'm exactly a pillar of right-itude, but M. was easy to see through in general... people whom are miserably desperate usually are.

He did give me some life-changing Bruckner reccomendations. Other than that, his musical opinion was usually just about as informed as any person whom played double bass and went to alot of live performances. I think people here mostly liked the degree of instabilitly he brought to the board. Things felt a little less "safe" around here, which can of course be a good thing.

I certainly wouldn't want to lose the friendlier posters here in exchange, however. Again, I must reiterate that I didn't personally find M.'s musical opinions to be particularly illuminative (except his Bruckner!), so I guess that means it's probably best to keep him off.

[Haffner]

You are serious right! What a disappointing attitude from you Andy.
You clearly forgot what a major disaster this guy was, and still is.
Why ever would you think and say such a thing?

Charity, Harry. I'm a little surprised you didn't guess that, my friend.

[George]

I have refrained from saying this until now because I wanted to stay out of it, plus I figured someone would make this point in this discussion of M's departure, however I haven't seen it come up. Awhile back in this thread the argument was posed that M should be here because of his contributions to the forum. I realize that this is an opinion held by at least a fair number of posters here. However, I don't see how his (or anyone else's) contributions can be separated from the attitude/tone/manner in which they are shared. Besides, the golden rule at GMG remains respect for our fellow members. Since returning a week or so ago, I have found that this rule is being followed consistently. I haven't seen even one violation yet. This was one of the things that drew me to the forum in the first place and I am deeply grateful that we have returned to this state. If folks desire a more "exciting" environment, that can certainly be found over at places like rmcr. Don't get me wrong, I am all for letting everyone into the party, but if someone is not going to play nice, they should be asked to leave.

One would hope that three or four dances to that particular tune would be sufficient for anyone, especially the mods, who get to deal with the fullness of those problems.

When the vector for valuable information is often fairly unpleasant, one must ask how really valuable that information is.

Absolutely!

[ChamberNut]

Since returning a week or so ago, I have found that this rule is being followed consistently. I haven't seen even one violation yet. This was one of the things that drew me to the forum in the first place and I am deeply grateful that we have returned to this state.

I couldn't agree with you more George.  The level of discussion and disagreements has stayed the same, since M left.  Yet, the level of respect displayed by all members has gone up tremendously in my opinion.

[Renfield]

A point to note is that, at least as far as some of us who are not on M's fanclub are concerned, the issue (or rather a possible issue) is not so much that his contributions were indispensable, but that his contributions were, period.

A certain logic might dictate that anyone who is willing to contribute should be permitted to remain in the forum. Another position might be the one stated above, that if someone cannot abide by the forum rules despite their contribution, they need to be removed.


My opinion has long been that decisions of this sort in a forum are not about who is ("ethically") right or wrong, but about consensus, and who is against it. Still, I thought I'd elucidate this point, for the benefit of keeping the argument balanced.

[Lethevich]

As one of M's biggest fans, even I can see that he pushed his luck too many times  0:)

[Haffner]

Edited by Knight: Quote from deleted post by head-case removed.

Son, grow up.

I realize I put down your hero, and that can be hard. Please, for the benefit of all of this, explain exactly how M.'s musings were so illuminating. This way, we can all get a clearer understanding of what a valuable contributor that you are. Because I honestly have seen nothing else indicating such.

[karlhenning]

He wrote with passion and clarity about that music.   It was interesting to read.

Blah blah blah, no one here had any quarrel to M when he was writing about the music.

The fact that you "didn't personally find M.'s musical opinions to be particularly illuminative" just indicates what a dim bulb you are.  What do you contribute to the board which is of comparable value?

Ah, this is really why you miss him:  there just isn't enough ill-humored personal remark on the board now.

Strange how for some people that means that things are "less interesting."