LvB Op 101

[FideLeo]

Won't happen.  Shouldn't happen.

For some it has happened! 

[Gurn Blanston]

For some it has happened! 

Yup.

BTW, I took you and Rod up on the Tan Waldstein/Appassionata/Lebewohl disk. I will be delighted if you are right. As for B-S, if there was a time machine that could go back to 2002, Gurn's very first post on GMG was "Does anyone know where I can find the Badura-Skoda Beethoven sonata disks? The ones on fortepiano...". And the very first reply I got (bless his heart) was from Todd, saying "what the hell do you want THOSE for?".   Blast from the past!



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Listening to:
Collegium Musicum 90 / Hickox - Bia 439 Op 86 Mass in C pt 04 - 'Quoniam Tu Solus Sanctus'. Allegro ma non troppo

[George]

Just tried to view that post, Gurn and I got this reply:

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[Gurn Blanston]

Just tried to view that post, Gurn and I got this reply:

This is the third version of this software that Rob has installed since I have been here. Each time the post count resets to 0 and we lose all the old posts. FWIW, that first Forum was an orange and purple color scheme.      But there was then, as now, a "Great Recordings" room, and that's where I posted. I got answers from Todd, Sidoze and Herman. Herman was the only one who was even mildly encouraging (guess that's why he didn't make it for the long haul  ), telling me to scrounge around on the Euro websites and I might be able to find them singly. Actually, I couldn't. I would love to have the box set, in the 6 years since, I haven't stopped looking for it.   



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Listening to:
Collegium Musicum 90 / Hickox - Bia 439 Op 86 Mass in C pt 11 - Benedictus: 'Benedictus Qui Venit In Nomine Domini'. Allegretto ma non troppo - 'Osanna In Excelsis'. Allegro

[George]

This is the third version of this software that Rob has installed since I have been here. Each time the post count resets to 0 and we lose all the old posts. FWIW, that first Forum was an orange and purple color scheme.   

Very classy. 

  But there was then, as now, a "Great Recordings" room, and that's where I posted. I got answers from Todd, Sidoze and Herman. Herman was the only one who was even mildly encouraging (guess that's why he didn't make it for the long haul  ), telling me to scrounge around on the Euro websites and I might be able to find them singly. Actually, I couldn't. I would love to have the box set, in the 6 years since, I haven't stopped looking for it.   

Wow, that must be really rare. I bet Drasko could track it down. 

[Gurn Blanston]

Very classy. 

Yes, just lovely. But anyway, the version YOU got in on was the second version, so you were spared that.

Wow, that must be really rare. I bet Drasko could track it down. 

Been OOP for a long time, and not a lot of copies made to start with. Astrée is not known to flood the market with their products.

Well, Drasko IS the King of Such Things...



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Listening to:
Collegium Musicum 90 / Hickox - Bia 439 Op 86 Mass in C pt 12 - Agnus Dei. 'Agnus Dei Qui Tollis Peccata Mundi'. Poco andante

[Todd]

For some it has happened!

Thankfully for comparatively few. 

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Won't happen.  Shouldn't happen.

Bingo.

Not that I'm taking sides. How could I? I'm a card-carrying HIPster myself in certain repertoire (as most folks likely are aware!). But even I am getting leery of the HIP dogma creeping onto this board.

The fact that there's a dizzying array of HIP approaches is proof positive that the concept of interpretive license is alive and kicking. Gardner is nothing like Herreweghe, who is nothing like Veldhoven, etc... There's no "go to" approach here, at least that I can see. It's all about recreating the music and who favors what - and who ultimately enjoys what.

There are dozens and dozens of recordings of Stravinsky conducting his own music but no one would even hint that future generations adhere strictly to his every interpretive move. What quicker way to kill the "art" part of recreating the music??   

If a performer can pull off quality performances on a period instrument more power to them.

But I get uneasy when I'm informed (no pun intended) that it's the only game in town...

[George]

There are dozens and dozens of recordings of Stravinsky conducting his own music but no one would even hint that future generations adhere strictly to his every interpretive move.

I've read that Stravinsky's recordings were the result of Craft first warming up the orchestra for rehearsal and Stravinsky then stepping up to wave the baton for the recording. I forget where, but I definitely read it.

[Dancing Divertimentian]

I've read that Stravinsky's recordings were the result of Craft first warming up the orchestra for rehearsal and Stravinsky then stepping up to wave the baton for the recording. I forget where, but I definitely read it.

If you're talking about the Columbia (Sony) stereo recordings, then perhaps. Craft was Stravinsky's protégé/sidekick and as Stravinsky by this time was getting up in years it fits he'd need assistance. But I've never heard of anyone taking the two to task for combining forces, here.

However, the history of Stravinsky on recordings stretches well into the 78 era and these early recordings actually predate Craft. There are numerous old mono recordings that have been kicked around for ages (with a current batch on Andante) which Craft hadn't been a part of.

[FideLeo]

Thankfully for comparatively few. 

Viva la difference! 

[FideLeo]

If a performer can pull off quality performances on a period instrument more power to them.

That has happened also  -- more often than some seem to have realised

[DavidRoss]

That has happened also  -- more often than some seem to have realised

Can you recommend one on record, please?  Of LvB sonatas, specifically.  I know good period piano performances from the late 19th Century exist, but I've yet to hear a pianoforte performance that impresses me favorably.

[George]

Can you recommend one on record, please?  Of LvB sonatas, specifically.  I know good period piano performances from the late 19th Century exist, but I've yet to hear a pianoforte performance that impresses me favorably.

Have you sampled Brautigam?

His stuff can be sampled on the cheap at eclassical:

http://www.eclassical.com/eclassic/eclassical?&q=Brautigam+Beethoven+Sonatas&performer_id=205&limit=0&genre_id=9&composer_id=6&page=bengt&y=0&performer=Brautigam%2c+Ronald&x=0

[(poco) Sforzando]

Thankfully for comparatively few. 

Indeed. But I will say I have the B-S 101/106 on the Graf, and it is on the whole a very good version - not primarily because B-S is using a fortepiano, but because of the musicality of his phrasing and articulation. The slow movement of his 106 is exceptional. All the same, there are some points in his 101 that irk me (such as why he doesn't observe the tied notes in measure 4 of the first movement and the parallel places in the fourth), and to say this is the only version worth hearing is preposterous.

[Josquin des Prez]

The HIP movement hasn't been very successful with Beethoven. Probably because the pool of traditional talents devoted to his music is so vast competition is out of the question.

[Gurn Blanston]

The HIP movement hasn't been very successful with Beethoven. Probably because the pool of traditional talents devoted to his music is so vast competition is out of the question.

Bullcrap.



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Listening to:
Royal Liverpool PO/MacKerras - Symphony #9 in d Op 125 3rd mvmt - Adagio molto cantabile - Andante moderato - Tempo 1 - Andante moderato - Tempo 1

[(poco) Sforzando]

Bullcrap.

That's your opinion, you may be wrong.

[Gurn Blanston]

That's your opinion, you may be wrong.

And I may not.



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Listening to:
La Gaia Scienza - Schubert D 929 Piano Trio in Eb 4th mvmt - Allegro moderato

[George]

And I may not.



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Listening to:
La Gaia Scienza - Schubert D 929 Piano Trio in Eb 4th mvmt - Allegro moderato

Time will tell.

However, I can already see some flowers beginning to pop through the soil.