Obama is US Democratic Presidential Nominee

[lisa needs braces]

Zionists exert considerable influence in the media. No presidential candidate dare piss them off. Hence why Obama had to give that speech to aipac.

[greg]

Some people told me today that Obama plans to "increase taxes to support Palestine" and to "completely disarm America", and that they only read it on blogs, but they don't show that stuff in the media. Sounds like people making stuff up to me, at least I hope so. Anyone know?

[scarpia]

Well, at least we have identified the demographic that is taken in by that sort of nonsense.   

Some people told me today that Obama plans to "increase taxes to support Palestine" and to "completely disarm America", and that they only read it on blogs, but they don't show that stuff in the media. Sounds like people making stuff up to me, at least I hope so. Anyone know?

[PSmith08]

You don't really have much of a choice, do you, no matter what you actually think of Obama. McCain? And continue the catastrophy, uh, catastrophe?

I'll say it again: The United States has been at war since March 1941, when Lend-Lease was passed. Now, I don't know that I'll go as far as Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, but I do know that the Republic has been at more or less perpetual war for the promise of perpetual peace for a long time. I sincerely doubt that Senator Obama can or will (Viz. McConnell's 'iron triangle' theory) change that fact. We'll just find a new enemy.

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

If that sounds a little bleak, then it's because it is. Well, maybe not. All I know is that we've had a succession of politicians promising a change from business as usual (indeed, even the consummate 'insider' Richard Nixon had a "secret plan" to end the Vietnam conflict, right before he expanded the war into Cambodia), and business as usual doesn't seem too bothered by them.

[Lethevich]

Well, at least we have identified the demographic that is taken in by that sort of nonsense.   

If anything, threads on this forum have proven that if politicians behave like rabble-rousers, it is only because their electorate IS a rabble... Trained apes could probably make more intelligent voting choices.

[greg]

Well, at least we have identified the demographic that is taken in by that sort of nonsense.   

They seemed a little....... uhhhhh, let's just say it was hard to believe them.

[PSmith08]

If anything, threads on this forum have proven that if politicians behave like rabble-rousers, it is only because their electorate IS a rabble... Trained apes could probably make more intelligent voting choices.

It's like the man said: "Democracy is the theory that holds that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

Curse that 17th Amendment!

[Saul]

Zionists exert considerable influence in the media. No presidential candidate dare piss them off. Hence why Obama had to give that speech to aipac.

I just don't get why such an openly anti semitic comment is allowed to stay here on GMG.

Can any moderator explain why it was not deleted?

[Renfield]

I just don't get why such an openly anti semitic comment is allowed to stay here on GMG.

Can any moderator explain why it was not deleted?

Firstly, there is a distinction between being discriminatory (even in the basic sense of acknowledging differences) and being racist.

Secondly, and even more so, in this case the comment was an observation regarding the status of a social group. If I observe that the French-speaking population of Belgium exerts considerable influence on the country, would I be anti-Walloon?

Thirdly, even if I intended an observational statement as an anti-Walloon one, who is to judge what I intended or not, and delete it?

[Saul]

Firstly, there is a distinction between being discriminatory (even in the basic sense of acknowledging differences) and being racist.

Secondly, and even more so, in this case the comment was an observation regarding the status of a social group. If I observe that the French-speaking population of Belgium exerts considerable influence on the country, would I be anti-Walloon?

Thirdly, even if I intended an observational statement as an anti-Walloon one, who is to judge what I intended or not, and delete it?

Heard of the saying : "It looks like duck it walks like a duck , its a duck!"...?

Abe's above statement was a classic anti semitic statement and accusation regarding the Jews and their awesome powers and world domination plans nonsense.

To let his comment stay here is disturbing, but I'll wait and hear one of the mods explanation, perhaps they could explain their position as to why they let Abe's anti semitic comment stay here on GMG...

[M forever]

His comment isn't "anti-semitic" at all. There is absolutely no mentioning or hinting at racial inferiority of semitic people in it.

It isn't really "anti-zionist" either. It just states that Zionist groups do have considerably influence in the media in the US, and that is a fact. But even being openly "anti-zionist" isn't automatically "anti-semitic" because there are Jews which don't agree with Zionism either.

Since your general educational level is so extremely low, you probably didn't understand what Renfield said about Belgium (that's a small country in Europe). Basically, what it means is that when you say a group of people have a lot of influence. that is not necessarily an "anti" comment. I personally often speak out against churches and the influence they still have on politics, but there are also supporters of these churches who would admit that, yes, they do have a lot of influence. The difference is that they think that is good, and I don't. But admitting the basic fact as such doesn't have anything to do with "anti-semitism" or any other "anti" this or that.


You do realize that if someone like you who is known as a very open and extreme racist on these forums really has no business complaining about other people in this context here, do you?

[Saul]

His comment isn't "anti-semitic" at all. There is absolutely no mentioning or hinting at racial inferiority of semitic people in it.

It isn't really "anti-zionist" either. It just states that Zionist groups do have considerably influence in the media in the US, and that is a fact. But even being openly "anti-zionist" isn't automatically "anti-semitic" because there are Jews which don't agree with Zionism either.

Since your general educational level is so extremely low, you probably didn't understand what Renfield said about Belgium (that's a small country in Europe). Basically, what it means is that when you say a group of people have a lot of influence. that is not necessarily an "anti" comment. I personally often speak out against churches and the influence they still have on politics, but there are also supporters of these churches who would admit that, yes, they do have a lot of influence. The difference is that they think that is good, and I don't. But admitting the basic fact as such doesn't have anything to do with "anti-semitism" or any other "anti" this or that.


You do realize that if someone like you who is known as a very open and extreme racist on these forums really has no business complaining about other people in this context here, do you?

You should be worried M, that one of the greatest Jewish minds in History the great Genius of Vilnius known to the Jews simply as the "Gra of Vilna", considers you as an Amalekite.

Rabbi Eliyahu of Vilnius Says the the Germans are the decedents of Amalek, the tribe that is cursed by the G-d of Israel in the Books of Moses. He brings strong evidence for it.

You sure act like an Amelikite, they were the people that fought against anything that had to do with the belief in G-d and in spirituality. The Amelikite tribe believed that there are no other forces then that of nature and that there was no designer to the universe. And what have you done here for years M, if not that?

You should take the time and do some research about this Great Genius who by the way was also a great mathematician and an astronomer famous in the secular world as well. His knowledge of the Torah was incomparable and he possessed phenomenal photographic memory and was a great Kabbalist. He wrote books on music , mathematics, astronomy and other subjects besides the many books that he had written about Jewish Law and Kabbalah.

Here is "The Genius of Vilnius":

http://members.aol.com/LazerA/VilnaGaon.htm

http://muziejai.mch.mii.lt/Vilnius/zydu_muziejus.en.htm#gaon

You should also read this very interesting article by Daniel Pipes:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/4472

[M forever]

Is Obama an "Amalekite", too?

[PSmith08]

You should be worried M, that one of the greatest Jewish minds in History the great Genius of Vilnius known to the Jews simply as the "Gra of Vilna", considers you as an Amalekite.

Rabbi Eliyahu of Vilnius Says the the Germans are the decedents of Amalek, the tribe that is cursed by the G-d of Israel in the Books of Moses. He brings strong evidence for it.

You may or may not be aware of this, but responding to an argument with an irrelevant ad hominem attack is neither an effective rebuttal nor something that strengthens the original argument. You don't have to be the Vilna Gaon or the Minsker Godol to understand that, either.

[Gustav]

You may or may not be aware of this, but responding to an argument with an irrelevant ad hominem attack is neither an effective rebuttal nor something that strengthens the original argument. You don't have to be the Vilna Gaon or the Minsker Godol to understand that, either.

he probably wasn't aware of this, but nevertheless it's nice of you to point it out for him.

[PSmith08]

he probably wasn't aware of this, but nevertheless it's nice of you to point it out for him.

I live to serve.

[M forever]

[PSmith08]

Precisely.

[Wanderer]

the great Genius of Vilnius

I'm almost positive that's a character from La Grande-Duchesse de Gérolstein.

[(poco) Sforzando]

I'm almost positive that's a character from La Grande-Duchesse de Gérolstein.

I don't recall that character last time I saw that operetta.