Unicorn found

Started by Saul, June 12, 2008, 07:17:55 AM

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Saul

Quote from: маразм1 on June 12, 2008, 08:07:06 AM
I saw that in Metro (newspaper) today.  That's bizarre!

Yes, very strange.

Bunny

QuoteHe is believed to have been born with a genetic flaw; his twin has two horns.

Do they actually know which gene has mutated?  I suspect they meant to say (or write) that the single horn was a congenital defect.  I wonder if they even know which gene (or allele) is involved in horn formation?  If the single horn was produced by a mutation, then it could be very significant -- more deer will be born with only one horn.  It it's merely a congenital defect, then this is the only one that we can expect any time soon.

M forever

That's not really strange, Saul, because all the nice animals in the forests, on the meadows, in the skies, and in the seas, weren't simply created "out of the box" the way they are by the "G-d" from your fairy tale books, they evolved through very long and complex processes based on the principle that random mutations (like the unicorn deer) occur and natural selection then "evaluates" whether or not these mutations convey any advantages (by making it easier for those who have that advantage to survive and pass on their genes, and killing those off who don't have these advantages) and so all animals - including ourselves - slowly change and evolve into different and complex forms. The unicorn deer is a very visible example for that.

Saul

Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 06:06:23 PM
That's not really strange, Saul, because all the nice animals in the forests, on the meadows, in the skies, and in the seas, weren't simply created "out of the box" the way they are by the "G-d" from your fairy tale books, they evolved through very long and complex processes based on the principle that random mutations (like the unicorn deer) occur and natural selection then "evaluates" whether or not these mutations convey any advantages (by making it easier for those who have that advantage to survive and pass on their genes, and killing those off who don't have these advantages) and so all animals - including ourselves - slowly change and evolve into different and complex forms. The unicorn deer is a very visible example for that.

You are a strange being, perhaps a troll, much stranger then this unicorn.


Bunny

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Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 06:06:23 PM
That's not really strange, Saul, because all the nice animals in the forests, on the meadows, in the skies, and in the seas, weren't simply created "out of the box" the way they are by the "G-d" from your fairy tale books, they evolved through very long and complex processes based on the principle that random mutations (like the unicorn deer) occur and natural selection then "evaluates" whether or not these mutations convey any advantages (by making it easier for those who have that advantage to survive and pass on their genes, and killing those off who don't have these advantages) and so all animals - including ourselves - slowly change and evolve into different and complex forms. The unicorn deer is a very visible example for that.

Actually, the unicorn deer is not an example of genetic mutation; it's an example of a congenital defect or an accident early in the deer's life which is not passed on genetically.  So while your explanation of the role of genetic mutation and natural selection is interesting, it's not germane to the discussion.  Read carefully:


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"Single-horned deer are rare but not unheard of — but even more unusual is the central positioning of the horn, experts said.

"Generally, the horn is on one side (of the head) rather than being at the center. This looks like a complex case," said Fulvio Fraticelli, scientific director of Rome's zoo. He said the position of the horn could also be the result of a trauma early in the animal's life.

Saul

Quote from: Bunny on June 12, 2008, 06:55:29 PM
Actually, the unicorn deer is not an example of genetic mutation; it's an example of a congenital defect which is not passed on genetically.  So while your explanation of the role of genetic mutation and natural selection is interesting, it's not germane to the discussion.

WOW great !

;D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


M forever

Quote from: Bunny on June 12, 2008, 06:55:29 PM
So while your explanation of the role of genetic mutation and natural selection is interesting, it's not germane to the discussion.  Read carefully:

Yes, read carefully!

"Generally, the horn is on one side (of the head) rather than being at the center. This looks like a complex case," said Fulvio Fraticelli, scientific director of Rome's zoo. He said the position of the horn could also be the result of a trauma early in the animal's life.

You do know what it means in English when someone says "could be" rather than "is", do you? How do you know centrally located horns can't happen as an effect of mutation (just like some people have reversed organs)?

Quote from: Saul on June 12, 2008, 07:00:19 PM
WOW great !
;D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

So Bunny, are you playing to the idiot crowd now? Is evolution "anti-semitic" as well? Do you you want this thread censored and locked up, too? I do understand that it is great to be always right, or at least either right or the offended victim. But I would have thought you were above that childishness.

Saul

Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 07:07:32 PM
Yes, read carefully!

"Generally, the horn is on one side (of the head) rather than being at the center. This looks like a complex case," said Fulvio Fraticelli, scientific director of Rome's zoo. He said the position of the horn could also be the result of a trauma early in the animal's life.

You do know what it means in English when someone says "could be" rather than "is", do you? How do you know centrally located horns can't happen as an effect of mutation (just like some people have reversed organs)?

So Bunny, are you playing to the idiot crowd now? Is evolution "anti-semitic" as well? Do you you want this thread censored and locked up, too? I do understand that it is great to be always right, or at least either right or the offended victim. But I would have thought you were above that childishness.

If this thread will be locked it would be your fault and not Bunny's.

I have just provided an interesting article and the last thing I wanted was to debate anything with you. This story doesn't need to be debated. Its just a story.

An intelligent person would have just read the article. Even Marazm, just read the story and said almost nothing, and whatever he said was not offensive. Why cant you at least find a measure of decency and virtue to be a gentleman and behave normally at least when logic demands for it?

Yes, M, not every thread needs to turn into a boxing match, but looks like your just into fighting,, maybe your fighting your inner demons, maybe its the attention you seek, but be sure that GMG can't provide you with this entertainment. You need to stop chasing me and every little thing I say. You need to stop bating me, and you need to become a gentleman.

Please, become a gentleman.

M forever

Quote from: Saul on June 12, 2008, 07:16:14 PM
but be sure that GMG can't provide you with this entertainment

GMG as such can't, but you sure provide a lot of great (and free!!!) entertainment.


Quote from: Saul on June 12, 2008, 07:16:14 PM
Please, become a gentleman.

What kind of gentleman do you have in mind? The kind you are? The kind which thinks that women shouldn't go to college, but stay at home and do his laundry? The kind which leads arguments by calling everything and other people "poop"?

Saul

Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 07:20:04 PM
GMG as such can't, but you sure provide a lot of great (and free!!!) entertainment.


What kind of gentleman do you have in mind? The kind you are? The kind which thinks that women shouldn't go to college, but stay at home and do his laundry? The kind which leads arguments by calling everything and other people "poop"?

You're still into blaming and accusing and changing the subject.

Only a troll would argue about this Unicorn Thread....

Go a head M, destroy another fine and interesting thread, maybe you should grow a horn and then you will be on the article instead of that deer... then you would have all the attention in the world....

Does the process of "thinking" ever enters your mind?


mn dave

Has anyone seen the animated movie THE LAST UNICORN? I watched it with my niece and nephew. It was kind of cute.

Brian

Quote from: Saul on June 12, 2008, 07:27:38 PM
Go a head M, destroy another fine and interesting thread, maybe you should grow a horn and then you will be on the article instead of that deer... then you would have all the attention in the world....
I'm sure he'll try his best.


M forever

Quote from: Saul on June 12, 2008, 07:27:38 PM
Go a head M, destroy another fine and interesting thread, maybe you should grow a horn and then you will be on the article instead of that deer...

According to you, I am some sort of devil, so I already have 2 horns. Just 1 would be a step back.

Quote from: Saul on June 12, 2008, 07:27:38 PM
Does the process of "thinking" ever enters your mind?

What kind of "thinking" are you referring to? The copying and pasting of large chunks of fundamentalist religious blabla? The kind of thinking which views everything from the philosophical point of "poop"?

You haven't told me yet what kind of gentleman you would like me to be.



I will be right back - this is so much fun. Don't go away, I am just mixing myself a Pina Colada since my girlfriend (you know, the lady you, "the perfect gentleman", referred to as "poop") is already fast asleep but I am still wide awake.


Kullervo

The narwhal gets mentioned in a B-52s song. Ipso facto, they are much cooler than unicorn deer.  8)

Brian

Quote from: M forever on June 12, 2008, 07:32:47 PMmy girlfriend
Congrats. :)


Psst ... I heard a rumor your girlfriend likes Salonen. And Lang Lang. And Paul Potts.

mn dave

Oh no! M is drinking. I'm going to hide now.

Saul

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Quote from: MN Dave on June 12, 2008, 07:40:16 PM
Oh no! M is drinking. I'm going to hide now.

He sounds like a Pub owner...

He has them women...

He has them drinks....

He has them pals...

But he has no brains...

For some reason M, you remind me of the loser from Troy... you know the fat red headed Putz who fought with Paris but got his ass kicked by Hector?

Yes holding a cup of wine he called out :

"May the gods keep the women in our beds"... what an imbecile and a neurotic SOB he was.

Your personality just fits his so much...