The True Test for Wagner-fanaticism

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jochanaan

June 24, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
Simple:  "What's Opera, Doc?"  If a Wagner fan can watch that and laugh, there's hope for him.  If he has to howl "Sacrilege!"--well, he's an incurable case. ;D
Imagination + discipline = creativity

bricon

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June 24, 2008, 03:41:39 PM
Quote from: jochanaan on June 24, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
If a Wagner fan can watch that and laugh

Wagner fans don't laugh.

DavidRoss

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June 24, 2008, 03:42:39 PM
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

PSmith08

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June 24, 2008, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on June 24, 2008, 03:42:39 PM
At anything?

No, you rascal. How could true Wagnerites ever laugh after having experienced the sacred mysteries, which "[signify] the morning consecration on the day of battle"? No, the business of the Wagnerite is far too important to dilute with frivolities, except the Master's Meistersinger, which is the only real expression of comedy in the modern age - a monument to mirth that stands tall among the giant edifices erected by Aristophanes, Menander, Plautus, and Terence - and hardly frivolous.

No. The Wagnerite never laughs, not while the Master's work needs doing somewhere.

max

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June 24, 2008, 04:48:25 PM
Quote from: jochanaan on June 24, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
Simple:  "What's Opera, Doc?"  If a Wagner fan can watch that and laugh, there's hope for him.  If he has to howl "Sacrilege!"--well, he's an incurable case. ;D

Aside from being a somewhat silly test...which of course you meant to be, I PRESUME!...the status of Wagner as GOD has NOT been infringed since it's very likely that he too would have gotten a chuckle out of it! I always have even in the days when I used to be a fanatic...long gone even though the effect is still potent! >:D

Dancing Divertimentian

#5
June 24, 2008, 04:55:41 PM
What's more endearing: the real Ring or the cartoon version? ;D



Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

PerfectWagnerite

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June 24, 2008, 05:39:43 PM
Quote from: jochanaan on June 24, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
Simple:  "What's Opera, Doc?"  If a Wagner fan can watch that and laugh, there's hope for him.  If he has to howl "Sacrilege!"--well, he's an incurable case. ;D
I hate that cartoon.

DavidRoss

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June 24, 2008, 05:45:21 PM
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on June 24, 2008, 05:39:43 PM
I hate that cartoon.
Jo--the test has been validated!

Quote from: PSmith08 on June 24, 2008, 04:44:42 PM
a monument to mirth that stands tall among the giant edifices erected by Aristophanes, Menander, Plautus, and Terence
You left out Carrot Top.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

PSmith08

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June 24, 2008, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on June 24, 2008, 05:45:21 PM
You left out Carrot Top.

Who was but a pale imitator of that genius, Gallagher.

Lethevich

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June 24, 2008, 06:08:24 PM
I don't like it, but I also don't have much time for Wagner - does this make me a closet Wagnerian?
Peanut butter, flour and sugar do not make cookies. They make FIRE.

(poco) Sforzando

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June 24, 2008, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: Lethe on June 24, 2008, 06:08:24 PM
I don't like it, but I also don't have much time for Wagner - does this make me a closet Wagnerian?

Not at all. A closet Wagnerian sneaks CDs of Parsifal into the bathroom and then emerges hours later claiming he was only reading the interviews in the booklet.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

J.Z. Herrenberg

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June 24, 2008, 11:30:36 PM
Quote from: Sforzando on June 24, 2008, 06:11:06 PM
Not at all. A closet Wagnerian sneaks CDs of Parsifal into the bathroom and then emerges hours later claiming he was only reading the interviews in the booklet.

We've all been there.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Wanderer

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June 24, 2008, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: Jezetha on June 24, 2008, 11:30:36 PM
We've all been there.

I sneak CDs of the Ring.

marvinbrown

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June 25, 2008, 01:43:12 AM
Quote from: jochanaan on June 24, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
Simple:  "What's Opera, Doc?"  If a Wagner fan can watch that and laugh, there's hope for him.  If he has to howl "Sacrilege!"--well, he's an incurable case. ;D

  Much like Tannhauser, I am beyond redemption.............


  marvin

PSmith08

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June 25, 2008, 10:24:50 AM
Quote from: marvinbrown on June 25, 2008, 01:43:12 AM
  Much like Tannhauser, I am beyond redemption.............


  marvin

Well, the pope's staff did bloom at the end, prompting that final chorus...

knight66

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June 25, 2008, 10:31:11 AM
Quote from: marvinbrown on June 25, 2008, 01:43:12 AM
  Much like Tannhauser, I am beyond redemption.............


  marvin

Goodness me marvin: redemption in Wagner is as Funeral Marches to Mahler. Tannhauser was redeemed.

Mike
DavidW: Yeah Mike doesn't get angry, he gets even.
I wasted time: and time wasted me.

karlhenning

#16
June 25, 2008, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: max on June 24, 2008, 04:48:25 PM
...the status of Wagner as GOD has NOT been infringed ....

Sharp downtick in the Humor Index, only slightly compensated for by a boost in the shares of International Loonies Ltd

Joe Barron

#17
June 25, 2008, 03:02:45 PM
The most devoted Wagnerian I know thinks that cartoon is hysterical. It seems to me that anyone who truly understands Wagner's achievement -- or anyone's achievement -- should be secure enough ion their opinion to take some good-natured ribbing about it. Parody, when done as well and as affectionately as it is here, is no threat.

Kill da Wabbit!
Kill da Wabbit!
Kill da Wabbit!

Dancing Divertimentian

#18
June 25, 2008, 09:36:22 PM Last Edit: June 25, 2008, 09:39:02 PM by donwyn
I would think that if something were worth parodying it'd have to be pretty good to start with. And fairly widely known so most folks would get the meaning.

Something obscure like The Cunning Little Wabbit would fall pretty flat in the laughter department...

...then again those Looney Tunes® folks were pretty talented...



Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

karlhenning

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June 26, 2008, 05:53:16 AM
Quote from: donwyn on June 25, 2008, 09:36:22 PM
Something obscure like The Cunning Little Wabbit would fall pretty flat in the laughter department...

How about Wabbowwetto?
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