"Why Won't God Heal Amputees?"

[Bulldog]

is everyone hovering on this thread just to look at my avatar?..........

Would be better if they were real women.

[adamdavid80]

Would be better if they were real women.

Don!  Mind your blood pressure!!!   

[greg]

Would be better if they were real women.

Actually........ the avatar is more like a robotic obedient cat.......


http://www.megavideo.com/?v=8OALTLNL


watch 19:40........ the guy is too embarassed to buy panties for her, so he tries to teach her to buy them.

[Guido]

Greg, why do you like that crap?

[Joe_Campbell]

What an awesome statement!

[drogulus]

Not all valid evidence is scientific evidence (it happens to be evidence from science though, but this is not the same). Were you only to allow scientific evidence as the solely valid evidence, you would not even be able to properly live your daily life, with the evidence-based decisions that you constantly make in it.

     Scientific confirmation and ordinary confirmation are not different. Scientific confirmation grows out of the same observe and test routines we use every day. And we use intuitions and hunches to assist in forming hypotheses, but then seek to confirm them. I think the mistaken notion that science is somehow different from ordinary procedures is part of the problem. Science is no more occult than learning to ride a bike. I have a hypothesis that if I shift my weight around to keep the center of gravity over the wheels, I won't fall off the bike! Life is a test and confirm process, and the degree we accept faiths role is scaled to what faith legitimately can be shown to assist us in doing. There's no placebo effect for the existence of galaxies, is there? 

     If a god exists, then it's this confirmation, and not the faith, that is knowledge.* And in the process the incoherent thesis that gods are beyond knowledge will be abandoned as the worst kind of intellectual trash, something the truth about which could only be "realized" by instances of its obvious falsehood. 

*Since I don't object to real as opposed to faith-based gods, I'm Ohhhh Kaayy with that. _{(which is not to say I wouldn't be disappointed at the Forrest Gumpery involved! )}
     

[Catison]

Furthermore, if he really wanted to reveal himself, why not do it in a much more easily and universally perceivable manner?

There is a lot of theology in this question that cannot be boiled down to a single post.  All I can hope to tell you is that there how Catholics perceive this question.

If you have read Genesis, you'll find the account of Adam & Eve.  This story isn't a literal story in the sense of an accurate history, but Catholics believe these stories have a meaningful lesson.  In the story you can see that Adam knows God and lives in perfect harmony with him in Eden.  Adam is free of sin, which is another way to say he is a perfect human.  He is given Eve, who also lives in perfect harmony.  But they are tempted by the devil into sin, or in other words, they assume their human nature.  Cast out of Eden, they can no longer know God intimately.

The moral: even while knowing God, Adam and Eve could not contain their human tendency to sin.  So what use has God, who created us to share in his perfect love and not sin, to intimately reveal himself again?

This is a very Catholic answer (as I have come to understand), not based on history, but on theology.  A more logical answer might be that God, knowing how we treat our own environment, has chosen to reveal himself slowly through time in order for those who truly wish to know him might seek and find him on their own.  Showing up on our doorstep would not have as much meaning.

Again, this is only for your understanding of Catholic faith.  I don't expect anyone to mistake it for an argument for God.

[greg]

Greg, why do you like that crap?

Because it takes me out of the brutally mundane boringness and magicless reality of real life.

Just seeing an anime-drawn picture, and contrasting it with anything just makes it seem that much more like it's from another world....... (Plus, that episode is especially hilarious- she goes down the street repeating "panties" to herself, looks under girls' skirts to see someone and says that she has to buy them).

The world is a bleak, boring place, my friend. Drugs are dangerous..... this stuff isn't. 

[Joe_Campbell]

The world is a bleak, boring place, my friend. Drugs are dangerous..... this stuff isn't. 

The world is what you make of it. It doesn't have to be bleak and boring. Look for adventure - real adventure - and you will find it. All fantasy has some ties to reality.

[greg]

The world is what you make of it. It doesn't have to be bleak and boring. Look for adventure - real adventure - and you will find it. All fantasy has some ties to reality.

You can only do so much, though. I don't like the way real life feels compared to imaginary life- like certain video games, anime, whatever. Just looking at the roads outside, and it just lacks color, lacks personality.

[Joe_Campbell]

I think you need to change locations then. Look at pizdaus.com and see the beauty in the world. Even music is a product of reality!

[greg]

Lots of good pics there.
Of course, there is a lot of beauty in the world, but you have to travel to find it all! 

Still, though, all of that doesn't quite compare to a simple anime picture. I don't know why, though, it's weird..... 

[Joe_Campbell]

Or just move to Canada!

FWIW, I can relate to your position, though maybe not on such a pathological level .

[M forever]

Why does God not heal amputees? Because it would be too darn obvious. God has set up the world and what happens in it in such a way that the freedom of choice to believe in him is not violated.

The same God who parted seas, rained fire and brimstone from the sky, sent his son to wake up dead and cure blind people and walk on water? You are right, he is a master of subtlety. He gave our bodies the power to fight against, and sometimes even win, the nastiest germs, but why did he invent them in the first place? Why does our skin regenrate when it is cut? Isn't that also really obvious?

I never prayed for GOD to restore my limb. I did pray to GOD to give me the strength to compensate for its loss. WHICH HE HAS DONE.

How do you know? Maybe you just found the strength in yourself. You do seem a little bitter though in general. Are you sure God really gave you what you think he did? Why did he give you diabetes in the first place? Or do you blame that on the Nazis, too? After all, Germany is the biggest exporter of candy products in the world.

[adamdavid80]

The same God who parted seas, rained fire and brimstone from the sky, sent his son to wake up dead and cure blind people and walk on water? You are right, he is a master of subtlety. He gave our bodies the power to fight against, and sometimes even win, the nastiest germs, but why did he invent them in the first place? Why does our skin regenrate when it is cut? Isn't that also really obvious?

How do you know? Maybe you just found the strength in yourself. You do seem a little bitter though in general. Are you sure God really gave you what you think he did? Why did he give you diabetes in the first place? Or do you blame that on the Nazis, too? After all, Germany is the biggest exporter of candy products in the world.

You're more of an "Old Testament" than "New Testament" kinda guy, aren't you?   

[M forever]

So is Iago. Eclusively. Although I also mentioned the miracle dude from the New Testament. Who Iago believes was an impostor. The question though is, why did his God not clarify the matter of the fake "Messiah"? Or maybe he actually did. That's where the Romans come in. Yes, that makes sense now. God brought the Romans into the lands of his chosen people to make sure they get rid of the fake Messiah who claimed to be his son. That plan worked out well. Unfortunately, they then proceeded to delete the entire country. Was that part of God's master plan, too?

[greg]

Or just move to Canada!

FWIW, I can relate to your position, though maybe not on such a pathological level .

Vancouver, right?

ugggghhhhhhh the city might be more exciting, but not there. Canada hardly has any history, so it just seems so........ unimportant.

I've always had these types of obsessions....... what they need to do is make a virtual reality RPG.... put on the headset and you aren't LOOKING at a screen, you're IN the screen, and you're somewhere else, somewhere much better than here.

I've always considered making a game like that one day after I'm an experienced programmer. I could learn about art, physics, etc. and be a director or co-director, and find a group that would do this just for fun. Except something like that would be unrealistic, probably.........though I'll keep the idea in mind. Oh, and not only regular RPG art style, but cell-shaded anime as well....... what'd it feel like to literally be an anime character and walk around in this new world? It might not be perfect, but it might be a much better place.

How do you know? Maybe you just found the strength in yourself. You do seem a little bitter though in general. Are you sure God really gave you what you think he did? Why did he give you diabetes in the first place? Or do you blame that on the Nazis, too? After all, Germany is the biggest exporter of candy products in the world.

Exactly what i think........the random tantrums may help quite a bit, whether they make sense or not.
What helps me is different- do nothing but sleep my life away until i get recharged. It really sucks, imagine what I could do if I didn't have to sleep so much. 

[greg]

another thing- i wish they could develop a pill that can make you function perfectly w/out any sleep. The fact that I'm going 7 more hours w/out learning a thing, or working toward accomplishing something, is irritating. And I really need 9-10hrs........

so off i go..........

[Joe_Campbell]

Vancouver, right?

Close...Just a bit west, on Vancouver Island. Victoria, specifically. Funnily enough, the plant that I work at has often been a punishment for site leaders who failed elsewhere: "Just send them to that small plant on that small island in Canada somewhere off the west coast."

ugggghhhhhhh the city might be more exciting, but not there. Canada hardly has any history, so it just seems so........ unimportant.

Unimportant to whom? You decide what's important. Who cares what the annals of history say?

I've always had these types of obsessions....... what they need to do is make a virtual reality RPG.... put on the headset and you aren't LOOKING at a screen, you're IN the screen, and you're somewhere else, somewhere much better than here.

I've always considered making a game like that one day after I'm an experienced programmer. I could learn about art, physics, etc. and be a director or co-director, and find a group that would do this just for fun. Except something like that would be unrealistic, probably.........though I'll keep the idea in mind. Oh, and not only regular RPG art style, but cell-shaded anime as well....... what'd it feel like to literally be an anime character and walk around in this new world? It might not be perfect, but it might be a much better place.

This is mildly depressing to read. I can't imagine cell-shaded anime being even close to seeing, for example, the sun shining through clouds.

[M forever]

[/i]Unimportant to whom? You decide what's important. Who cares what the annals of history say?

Well, they don't say all that much about Canada, that's true. At least not on a world history scale. But they don't say all that much more about Florida either.

I have never been to Canada, BTW, but I have seen it twice - once from the islands NW of Seattle (that may be about the area you are moving to) and once from the US side of Niagara Falls. But, following the llogic of the woman who wants to become one of the most powerful people in the world, that means I know and understand everything about Canada.

BTW, you guys should get rid of that queen thing. That is so silly. And these royalty people are so trashy.

This is mildly depressing to read. I can't imagine cell-shaded anime being even close to seeing, for example, the sun shining through clouds.

How poetic. Does that actually impress any girls you know? (I bet it does.)