A rare Mozart miss

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May 17, 2007, 08:13:53 AM Last Edit: May 17, 2007, 08:20:08 AM by Mozart
I've been listening to his string quintets and the one in G min k 5.16 is my favorite. The first 3 movements are awesome, but then the finale...I wonder what he was thinking! Maybe he wrote it when he was 6 or something? It kind of ruins the first 3 movements for me because there is no sense of ending. I guess Mozart is allowed to mess up once in 626 works.

bwv 1080

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May 17, 2007, 08:19:49 AM
Perhaps the problem lies with you rather than Mozart

Mozart

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May 17, 2007, 08:20:50 AM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on May 17, 2007, 08:19:49 AM
Perhaps the problem lies with you rather than Mozart
Are you familiar with the work?

springrite

#3
May 17, 2007, 08:23:35 AM
Picky, picky... $:)

Maybe Iago will come in and say that this is his favorite Mozart work and Mozart missed the other 625 times!  ;D

Josquin des Prez

#4
May 17, 2007, 08:26:50 AM
Quote from: Mozart on May 17, 2007, 08:20:50 AM
Are you familiar with the work?

It's my favored Mozart work along with the big string trio. I think it's fine, so there...  :P

bwv 1080

#5
May 17, 2007, 08:27:41 AM
Quote from: Mozart on May 17, 2007, 08:20:50 AM
Are you familiar with the work?

Yes, and the finale works for me

springrite

#6
May 17, 2007, 08:32:18 AM
Quote from: Mozart on May 17, 2007, 08:13:53 AM
I've been listening to his string quintets and the one in G min k 5.16 is my favorite.

K 5.16 seems like an early work, probably composed when Mozart was 5.16 years old.

Also, K 5.16 looks more like a PDQ Bach opus number (remember Op. 3.1415926 and Op. 2 1/2?) rather than Mozart's.

Mark G. Simon

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May 17, 2007, 08:49:12 AM
To be sure, there are a few pieces in the Mozart catalogue which qualify as "misses", but the G minor quintet ???. The most one can say against it is that it sets up expectations in the minds of post-19th century listeners for a kind of turgid culmination in the finale which would have been demanded as a matter of course 50 years later. Even here he comes pretty close: the finale contains an extended slow intro in G minor which is as heart-on-sleeve as you'll ever get in Mozart. Can we really fault Mozart for not realizing how much ahead of his time he was writing, so that he was unable to provide the proper follow-up?


Dancing Divertimentian

#8
May 17, 2007, 09:42:51 AM
Quote from: springrite on May 17, 2007, 08:23:35 AM
Maybe Iago will come in and say that this is his favorite Mozart work and Mozart missed the other 625 times!  ;D

:D



Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Mozart

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May 17, 2007, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: Mark G. Simon on May 17, 2007, 08:49:12 AM
To be sure, there are a few pieces in the Mozart catalogue which qualify as "misses", but the G minor quintet ???. The most one can say against it is that it sets up expectations in the minds of post-19th century listeners for a kind of turgid culmination in the finale which would have been demanded as a matter of course 50 years later. Even here he comes pretty close: the finale contains an extended slow intro in G minor which is as heart-on-sleeve as you'll ever get in Mozart. Can we really fault Mozart for not realizing how much ahead of his time he was writing, so that he was unable to provide the proper follow-up?




I know nothing about the post 19th century music or its fans. I can compare it to all the other Mozart works I know and can say the last movement is the weakest of the 4 by far.

JoshLilly

#10
May 18, 2007, 08:42:17 AM
Why would liking or not liking something be a "problem"?

Mozart

#11
May 18, 2007, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: JoshLilly on May 18, 2007, 08:42:17 AM
Why would liking or not liking something be a "problem"?

Its a crisis! How could I not like something from Mozart?

bwv 1080

#12
May 18, 2007, 09:59:03 AM
Quote from: Mozart on May 18, 2007, 09:25:18 AM
Its a crisis! How could I not like something from Mozart?

Its OK.  In all honesty outside of the intro, I do not care much for the "Dissonance" Quartet.  I always had a sinking suspicion that the Mozart wrote the intro to counterbalance the rather banal themes of the 1st movement.

Sergeant Rock

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May 18, 2007, 10:02:26 AM
Quote from: Mozart on May 17, 2007, 08:13:53 AM
I've been listening to his string quintets and the one in G min k 5.16 is my favorite.

Quote from: springrite on May 17, 2007, 08:32:18 AM
K 5.16 seems like an early work, probably composed when Mozart was 5.16 years old.

Also, K 5.16 looks more like a PDQ Bach opus number
rather than Mozart's.

I think the opus number is one more bit of proof that Andrea Luchesi actually composed Mozart's music. The case seems to be foolproof now.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

JoshLilly

#14
May 18, 2007, 10:02:51 AM
And myself, my favourite moment in all of Mozart's string quartets, is the first few seconds of the 'Dissonance' after the slow intro! I'm not being facetious, that's a completely honest statement.

I guess the answer is, er... Mozart, that there is no answer.

Larry Rinkel

#15
May 18, 2007, 07:07:16 PM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on May 17, 2007, 08:19:49 AM
Perhaps the problem lies with you rather than Mozart

He's hardly the first to sense something jarring about the last movement of 516.
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