Maybe i'm not the first to query?
Quote from: snyprrr on March 16, 2009, 11:07:00 PM
Maybe i'm not the first to query?
Well, since you have so much time on your hands right now, maybe while reading the posts you'd have noticed that some (Anne, Vanessa for instance) are women. You get do the same with the membership directory.
I get the feeling that Josquin is too - surely no one can really be as misogynistic as all that. Methinks the lady doth protest too much... ;D
Quote from: sul G on March 16, 2009, 11:25:38 PM
I get the feeling that Josquin is too - surely no one can really be as misogynistic as all that. Methinks the lady doth protest too much... ;D
Have you also noticed that the ladies-in-the-open hardly do that at all? Complaining and fighting seemed a distinct male trait here.
There are no women on the internet!
I am woman, hear me roar! (http://img115.exs.cx/img115/7404/yes2bb.gif)
There are only beautiful girls on the forum.
Its a regular dating scene! ;D
I'm here. Brunnehilde forever is here also.
BTW, I can't read this thread title without thinking of this:
(http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/brian/inlines/04_blasp.jpg)
The rams do tend to chase away the ewes at times, I suspect!
Which reminds me:
"Baa-Ram-Ewe!" 8)
To which Al Pacino would say: "Oh yeah?! Well, ram ewe!!!" :o
Quote from: sul G on March 17, 2009, 02:48:07 AM
BTW, I can't read this thread title without thinking of this:
That halibut was good enough for . . . .
Quote from: Lethe on March 16, 2009, 11:28:11 PM
There are no women on the internet!
You mean those things that smell good? The ones without the penises? Hmmm..... I think you can get one from the Ukraine, I probably still have that email lying around somewhere...
Quote from: sul G on March 16, 2009, 11:25:38 PM
I get the feeling that Josquin is too - surely no one can really be as misogynistic as all that.
Clearly, you have never heard of Esther Vilar:
http://www.amazon.com/Manipulated-Man-3rd-Esther-Vilar/dp/1905177178/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237301849&sr=8-1
Quote from: sul G on March 17, 2009, 02:48:07 AM
BTW, I can't read this thread title without thinking of this:
(http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/brian/inlines/04_blasp.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Nice one.
Matthias, son of Deuteronomy of Gath?
– Do I say yes?
You'd never guess that Karl is a woman, she's come a long way since her days on the East German Olympic shot-put team. ;D
Quote from: nut-job on March 17, 2009, 07:33:15 AM
You'd never guess that Karl is a woman, she's come a long way since her days on the East German Olympic shot-put team. ;D
Good one :D
women yes, but is there a lady present?
Quote from: ezodisy on March 17, 2009, 08:18:43 AM
women yes, but is there a lady present?
Boooooo~~~~~~
All the "womenfolk" stay in the caves while we go out, hunting up CDs. :P
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 17, 2009, 08:28:59 AM
All the "womenfolk" stay in the caves while we go out, hunting up CDs. :P
Well, I know some men who hide the CDs they purchased in a cave while the womenfolk in their lives roam the house.
Quote from: springrite on March 17, 2009, 08:30:26 AM
Well, I know some men who hide the CDs they purchased in a cave while the womenfolk in their lives roam the house.
I make sure to unwrap the CDs, throw away the packaging etc, so it just looks like one of my CDs from my collection. ;D Works great, but my CD library somehow seems to "appear" like it's getting larger. :-*
Oh God. We're all in the same boat. :D
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 17, 2009, 09:47:42 AM
Oh God. We're all in the same boat. :D
You mean,
cave.
Quote from: KammerNuss on March 17, 2009, 09:12:00 AM
I make sure to unwrap the CDs, throw away the packaging etc, so it just looks like one of my CDs from my collection. ;D Works great, but my CD library somehow seems to "appear" like it's getting larger. :-*
Eh, stereotypical men do it with power tools, stereotypical women do it with shoes.
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 17, 2009, 08:28:59 AM
All the "womenfolk" stay in the caves while we go out, hunting up CDs. :P
No, they run screaming away after having opened the Diamond Mine thread.....
I'm smiling!
I always wondered what a relationship with a musician would be like.
ahhhh....."honey, have you seen the glissandi?"
Quote from: KammerNuss on March 17, 2009, 09:12:00 AM
I make sure to unwrap the CDs, throw away the packaging etc, so it just looks like one of my CDs from my collection. ;D Works great, but my CD library somehow seems to "appear" like it's getting larger. :-*
Don't forget the first part: have the disks mailed to your work address so you can do all that and then just slip them into the CD case with the "old, used" ones for transport back to the cave.... ;D
8)
----------------
Listening to:
Saint-Saëns - Op. 76 - Heini Kärkkäinen - Wedding Cake
You married classical guys have sooooo much to hide, haha.
especially if she's not into it. I can hear it now, "....all that crap you listen to..."
If I ever find myself saying this to a girl, I'll know I'm in for it: "You mean....you....LIKE Xenakis?" chirp chirp (birds of love sound)haha
I'll give you "womenfolk".
(https://home.comcast.net/~jim.frazier/Pictures/Granny.png)
now that's more like it!!
that's why I've never met a musician
SHOULD musicians marry other musicians? or just their cousins? Is there a rule? Kurtag and Kurtag seem happy.
Quote from: snyprrr on March 18, 2009, 01:18:59 AM
Kurtag and Kurtag seem happy.
Isn't it nice to know about this couple after all the sad or bittersweet stories we have known before?
Quote from: snyprrr on March 18, 2009, 01:18:59 AM
SHOULD musicians marry other musicians? or just their cousins?
It didn't work very well for Stravinsky :P
Quote from: Mn Dave on March 17, 2009, 06:42:30 PM
I'll give you "womenfolk".
(https://home.comcast.net/~jim.frazier/Pictures/Granny.png)
Is this the self-styled contessa from CMG?
She used to talk about the gun in her glove compartment.
Women who haven't been mentioned yet: Bunny; zamyrabyrd (who can be found mainly in the opera/vocal section); and Senta, who started the popular "Mahler Mania, Rebooted" thread. Mrs. Rock, my Rhinemaiden, is a member too although she rarely contributes. Here's a picture of her near the Rhine that I promised to show Florestan. Click on the thumbnail if you want to see a hires version. Warning: very large file.
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/icons/img201_lighter_warmer.jpg) (http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/img201_lighter_warmer.jpg)
Sarge
You know, you really have to wonder about people who release sexy pictures of their spouses, on the internet of all places. Is it just bragging or is there something more? What would Freud say?
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 19, 2009, 06:33:10 AM
You know, you really have to wonder about people who release sexy pictures of their spouses, on the internet of all places. Is it just bragging or is there something more? What would Freud say?
Bragging. ;D
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 19, 2009, 06:33:10 AM
What would Freud say?
Nice gams? ;D
Just for you, JdP, the next time I post a pic of Mrs. Rock, she'll be dressed in a burka ;)
Sarge
For Josquin: Mrs. Rock in a burka
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/Mrs.Rockburka.jpg)
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 19, 2009, 11:27:16 AM
For Josquin: Mrs. Rock in a burka
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/decgmg/Mrs.Rockburka.jpg)
Sarge
:D
This thread is highly amusing ;D
Beware: Evil generalisation following. Booooh!
There's almost no womenfolk here: Women don't like european classical music which has a history of tragedy, lament and boombast, basically. Narrowed down: War and death. Women like spring, flute, dances: Life and peace.
I can see this with my own wife. No need for a Bruckner 8, but for instance, Brahms Hungarian dances are alright. Or, spring is coming, things like Nielsens "Tagen letter".
Also my concert neighbors (2 women aged 50+,70+): Left the concert after the Pause and missed a) Shosta Sym. #1 and b) Bruckner 7. Sheer heresy. They like the more colored, dancy things.
Summa Summarum: Classical Concert visiting couples always include one consumer and one slave.
Hmmm. At the classical concerts I attend women comprise about half the audience. The string and wind sections of most orchestras I've seen in the past several years generally have as many women as men performers. Featured soloists on many instruments and voice are just as likely to be women as men these days. My experience regarding my wife's tastes more nearly parallels yours, however. Though classically trained and a former professional musician, my wife does not care for Bruckner at all but does like Brahms's Hungarian Dances. She also has a hard time with Mahler and detests Wagner. But she loves Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, Sibelius, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Rachmaninov, Ravel, Poulenc, and Debussy. To me it seems that she just has good taste and little tolerance for tedious self-indulgence.
In my experience, women absolutely loath Wagner.
Not very surprising, his music being one continious stream of Testosteron... My ex described him as "a self obsessed wanker", which seems an fair description ;D
Which does not mean that his music is not beautiful BTW. 8)
Q
Quote from: Wurstwasser on March 19, 2009, 09:24:52 PM
....things like Nielsens "Tagen letter".
Or maybe "taget letter"??
Quote from: premont on March 19, 2009, 11:37:06 PMOr maybe "taget letter"??
"Taagen letter" for Flute and Harp. I think this one (cannot listen to it currently, lack of audio: http://www.gehrmans.se/shop/info.asp?CGkod=3613
Quote from: Wurstwasser on March 20, 2009, 04:25:16 AM
"Taagen letter" for Flute and Harp. I think this one (cannot listen to it currently, lack of audio: http://www.gehrmans.se/shop/info.asp?CGkod=3613
Yes of course I know this small piece of music, which was intended as stage music
in Helge Rode´s play: Moderen. Just that your spelling gave me other associations.
Well, Wagner is one of my absolute favorite composers...I also tend to like anything loud and angsty...as well quite love modern/new music. I guess I'm a bit different... :)
I maintain there are many women who like the more challenging classical, though they just don't post on forums to the same frequency as men.
Quote from: Senta on March 20, 2009, 06:34:18 AM
I maintain there are many women who like the more challenging classical, though they just don't post on forums to the same frequency as men.
This is also my experience.
Quote from: Que on March 19, 2009, 11:21:31 PM
In my experience, women absolutely loath Wagner.
Not very surprising, his music being one continious stream of Testosteron... My ex described him as "a self obsessed wanker", which seems an fair description ;D
Which does not mean that his music is not beautiful BTW. 8)
Q
Great material for a syllogism!
Quote from: Wurstwasser on March 19, 2009, 09:24:52 PM
Beware: Evil generalisation following. Booooh!
There's almost no womenfolk here: Women don't like european classical music which has a history of tragedy, lament and boombast, basically. Narrowed down: War and death. Women like spring, flute, dances: Life and peace.
Sorry i have to interrupt your bout of self inflicted misandry, but that's just nonsense. The reason there are so few women here or everywhere else for that matter is that women, as a general rule, are not as conceptually evolved as men. That's all there is to it. Their brains are more suited to deal with the problems of everyday life, while men are perpetually haunted by visions and ideas, 99% of which are just incomprehensible to women.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 20, 2009, 07:17:49 AM
Sorry i have to interrupt your bout of self inflicted misandry, but that's just nonsense. The reason there are so few women here or everywhere else for that matter is that women, as a general rule, are not as conceptually evolved as men. That's all there is to it. Their brains are more suited to deal with the problems of everyday life, while men are perpetually haunted by visions and ideas, 99% of which are just incomprehensible to women.
Wow, I really hope that was an attempt at satire...
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 20, 2009, 07:17:49 AM
Sorry i have to interrupt your bout of self inflicted misandry, but that's just nonsense. The reason there are so few women here or everywhere else for that matter is that women, as a general rule, are not as conceptually evolved as men. That's all there is to it. Their brains are more suited to deal with the problems of everyday life, while men are perpetually haunted by visions and ideas, 99% of which are just incomprehensible to women.
I can believe you are haunted by visions and ideas, 99% of which are incomprehensible to men and women. The technical term is "dissociative disorder."
Quote from: jwinter on March 20, 2009, 07:27:47 AM
Wow, I really hope that was an attempt at satire...
Sadly, no.
Quote from: jwinter on March 20, 2009, 07:27:47 AM
Wow, I really hope that was an attempt at satire...
Well, it
does start with his favorite invented word: "misandry."
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 19, 2009, 11:27:16 AM
For Josquin: Mrs. Rock in a burka
Sarge
The Muslims are no more of an extreme then we are, they just point towards the opposite direction. We like to think ourselves superior but our sex obsessed society is equally barbarous, perhaps even more so.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2009, 07:37:33 AM
Well, it does start with his favorite invented word: "misandry."
*Actually that's a real word, though I've very seldom seen it used outside of a crossword puzzle. M-W 3rd unabridged defines it as "a hatred of men... opposed to misogyny". I don't find it's usage in the context of this thread to be particularly enlightening, though.
*Apologies, I have a dictionary on my Palm, couldn't resist the urge to geek out! :)
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 20, 2009, 07:17:49 AMSorry i have to interrupt your bout of self inflicted misandry, but that's just nonsense. The reason there are so few women here or everywhere else for that matter is that women, as a general rule, are not as conceptually evolved as men. That's all there is to it. Their brains are more suited to deal with the problems of everyday life, while men are perpetually haunted by visions and ideas, 99% of which are just incomprehensible to women.
??? No misandry here at all. I've heard a lot about nature and also a lot about democratic consensus societies denying nature of the human being: But hey, this is completely new to me. a) Is this a satire attempt, b) any scientists stating this c) do you really think this applies to a modern human being, who aren't hunters and gatherers any more?
Quote from: jwinter on March 20, 2009, 07:45:32 AM
*Actually that's a real word, though I've very seldom seen it used outside of a crossword puzzle. M-W 3rd unabridged defines it as "a hatred of men... opposed to misogyny". I don't find it's usage in the context of this thread to be particularly enlightening, though.
But, of recent coinage (thus,
invented). There's an older post of mine somewhere or other, but the word was nowhere to be found in even the supplement to the OED . . . .
Quote from: jwinter on March 20, 2009, 07:45:32 AM
*Apologies, I have a dictionary on my Palm, couldn't resist the urge to geek out! :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry
I really miss those almost forgotten times, the smell of paper, coffee stains on dictionaries, urges to geek out... ;D
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2009, 07:47:36 AM
But, of recent coinage (thus, invented). There's an older post of mine somewhere or other, but the word was nowhere to be found in even the supplement to the OED . . . .
Aren't all words invented? Websters ascribes the etymology of the word to 1909.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2009, 07:47:36 AM
But, of recent coinage (thus, invented). There's an older post of mine somewhere or other, but the word was nowhere to be found in even the supplement to the OED . . . .
I'm not even sure where are you going with this. If we accept the term misogyny as valid, shouldn't we also acknowledge it's opposite?
Quote from: Wurstwasser on March 20, 2009, 07:46:17 AM
??? No misandry here at all.
Indeed? You don't think that ascribing men's preference for classical music on our supposed innate taste for war and violence carries an inherent
negative connotation to it?
QuoteBut, of recent coinage (thus, invented). There's an older post of mine somewhere or other, but the word was nowhere to be found in even the supplement to the OED . . . .
Here. (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9582.msg248113.html#msg248113)
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 20, 2009, 07:57:44 AMIndeed? You don't think that ascribing men's preference for classical music on our supposed innate taste for war and violence carries an inherent negative connotation to it?
No. Honestly. At least not for me.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 20, 2009, 07:51:57 AM
I'm not even sure where are you going with this. If we accept the term misogyny as valid, shouldn't we also acknowledge it's opposite?
The fact that words have history. That the word
misogyny has existed in the English language for centuries, reflects actual experience. The fact that a ready opposite in "
misandry" did not exist until (say) someone in the 1980s thought, "the term misogyny as valid, so shouldn't we also acknowledge it's opposite?" suggests to me that there was no need for the word from
experience in the actual world.
So, it was an easy word to invent. And then when someone has invented a word, there are people who "find" it in the world around them.
Quote from: nut-job on March 20, 2009, 07:31:06 AM
I can believe you are haunted by visions and ideas, 99% of which are incomprehensible to men and women. The technical term is "dissociative disorder.
Hmmm...seems more like a form of grandiose delusional disorder, sadly shared by two or three others who show up here occasionally and who are similarly misogynistic.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2009, 08:03:20 AM
The fact that a ready opposite in "misandry" did not exist until (say) someone in the 1980s thought, "the term misogyny as valid, so shouldn't we also acknowledge it's opposite?" suggests to me that there was no need for the word from experience in the actual world.
Websters etymology says 1909. Is that old enough to be a real word? Websters says homosexual was invented in 1892, only 17 years older.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2009, 08:03:20 AM
The fact that words have history. That the word misogyny has existed in the English language for centuries, reflects actual experience. The fact that a ready opposite in "misandry" did not exist until (say) someone in the 1980s thought, "the term misogyny as valid, so shouldn't we also acknowledge it's opposite?" suggests to me that there was no need for the word from experience in the actual world.
By your reasoning, the the term "racism" is equally invalid, for it too was coined out of thin air somewhere around the mid 1930s, to describe a phenomena which prior to that point was never part of any "actual world experience". Furthermore, the word misogyny itself as been "redefined" to include ideas and forms of behavior which were never part of the "actual world experience" which served as the basis of the original meaning of the world in the first place. Prior to the onslaught waged by Marxist liberal ideology against traditional western values, to impute that men and women had specific differences that made the suited for different roles was never part of the definition of misogyny, which means your argument here is standing of weak foundations.
Quote from: Senta on March 20, 2009, 06:34:18 AM
I also tend to like anything loud and angsty...I guess I'm a bit different... :)
So is Mrs. Rock then. You described the kind of music she likes...the darker the better. But, true to the stereotype others have offered here, she really does hate Wagner (excepting the Dutchman).
Quote from: Senta on March 20, 2009, 06:34:18 AM
I maintain there are many women who like the more challenging classical, though they just don't post on forums to the same frequency as men.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2009, 06:36:36 AM
This is also my experience.
And mine.
Sarge
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 20, 2009, 07:44:52 AM
The Muslims are no more of an extreme then we are, they just point towards the opposite direction. We like to think ourselves superior but our sex obsessed society is equally barbarous, perhaps even more so.
The Muslims are as sex obsessed as any society, including our own. That's the reason they cover the women: to hide the object of their obsession in order to get a little work done. :D
Sarge
Quote from: nut-job on March 20, 2009, 08:16:46 AM
Websters etymology says 1909. Is that old enough to be a real word? Websters says homosexual was invented in 1892, only 17 years older.
"A real word"; wait, don't tell me: you're being coy!
Is there a source? Solely in a spirit of inquiry, I am curious why, if it has such a pedigree, (a) the word utterly fails to appear in the OED, and (b) why there is nothing between
misally and
misanthropy in hard-cover copies in my cubicle and the next, of either
The American Heritage Dictionary or
Websters (an edition ©1982, BTW).
Or is this just the inevitable "wiki artifact"? There's some 'source' on the Internet which says it dates from 1909?
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 20, 2009, 08:37:39 AM
The Muslims are as sex obsessed as any society, including our own. That's the reason they cover the women: to hide the object of their obsession in order to get a little work done.
Well, that is the reason I've been told that women have to pray behind the men in the mosque; the 'unthinkable' situation of having women bending over, in the sight of men!
Quote from: Wurstwasser on March 20, 2009, 07:46:17 AM
c) do you really think this applies to a modern human being, who aren't hunters and gatherers any more?
We are still the same people we were 10.000 years ago. Modern human beings as defined by 20th century liberalism is just make believe. There is no "equality" among men and women. The sexes are not interchangeable. You have just been a victim of brainwashing and social engineering, the entire purpose of which was to specifically destroy the family nucleus and by extension rob society of any masculine (and therefore conceptual) influence and turn us all, men and women alike, into units of production.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2009, 08:40:45 AM
Well, that is the reason I've been told that women have to pray behind the men in the mosque; the 'unthinkable' situation of having women bending over, in the sight of men!
Yes, that situation would tend to make the male mind stray towards less lofty thought ;D
Sarge
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2009, 08:40:45 AM
Well, that is the reason I've been told that women have to pray behind the men in the mosque; the 'unthinkable' situation of having women bending over, in the sight of men!
Women were not even allowed in some of mosques I've been in.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2009, 08:39:09 AM
"A real word"; wait, don't tell me: you're being coy!
Is there a source? Solely in a spirit of inquiry, I am curious why, if it has such a pedigree, (a) the word utterly fails to appear in the OED, and (b) why there is nothing between misally and misanthropy in hard-cover copies in my cubicle and the next, of either The American Heritage Dictionary or Websters (an edition ©1982, BTW).
Or is this just the inevitable "wiki artifact"? There's some 'source' on the Internet which says it dates from 1909?
The 1909 date comes from the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misandry
As for your OED, the word may be of American origin, and or may only recently have become widely used enough to merit appearance in a dictionary, despite having appeared by 1909. But I am curious, and when I have access will look in my circa 1975 Unabridged Random House dictionary (this evening).
I would also inquire what the distinction is between a word that "fails to appear" in your dictionary and a word that "utterly fails to appear" in your dictionary?
Quote from: nut-job on March 20, 2009, 08:47:31 AM
The 1909 date comes from the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misandry
As for your OED, the word may be of American origin, and or may only recently have become widely used enough to merit appearance in a dictionary, despite having appeared by 1909. But I am curious, and when I have access will look in my circa 1975 Unabridged Random House dictionary (this evening).
I would also inquire what the distinction is between a word that "fails to appear" in your dictionary and a word that "utterly fails to appear" in your dictionary?
Where the "utterly" comes from is, it appears neither in the
OED proper, nor in the supplement published after the final volume of the main dictionary. And the editors made a point of soliciting words from the father-flung reaches of the English-speaking world . . . and there were many readers from the states who supplied word-cards.
Do report: consider me interested ;)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 20, 2009, 08:51:48 AM
and there were many readers from the states who supplied word-cards.
Evidently no man-haters among them.
Quote from: nut-job on March 20, 2009, 08:47:31 AM...when I have access will look in my circa 1975 Unabridged Random House dictionary (this evening).
The word doesn't appear in either my 1992 American Heritage Dictionary or Webster's New World Dictionary 1982. Curious if there were a German equivalent, I looked for a translation on Leo's website: misandry =
der Männerhass ...typical German literalness ;D
Sarge
Quote from: Wurstwasser on March 19, 2009, 09:24:52 PM
Also my concert neighbors (2 women aged 50+,70+): Left the concert after the Pause and missed a) Shosta Sym. #1 and b) Bruckner 7. Sheer heresy. They like the more colored, dancy things.
That concert must have been long as hell.
Also, I would like to see what would happen if Josquin and Sean got together for dinner sometime. The result might be an immense entertainment. Especially if the waiter was M forever.
Quote from: Brian on March 20, 2009, 09:38:28 AM
Also, I would like to see what would happen if Josquin and Sean got together for dinner sometime. The result might be an immense entertainment. Especially if the waiter was M forever.
;D :o :o :o ;)
Quote from: Brian on March 20, 2009, 09:38:28 AM
Also, I would like to see what would happen if Josquin and Sean got together for dinner sometime. The result might be an immense entertainment. Especially if the waiter was M forever.
Might be difficult to find a venue large enough to fit those three egos?
FWIW, the electronic dictionary on my Palm is the Meriam-Webster 3rd Unabridged, from 2003. No idea if the word is new for this edition, or was contained in the last ed (1961, according to the fine print).
Amusing, the tangents we do go off on... ;D
The on-line Oxford English Dictionary contains the citation for misandry and also gives 1909 as the date of first usage.
http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/00310868?single=1&query_type=word&queryword=misandry&first=1&max_to_show=10
Noticed that this requires a subscriptions, I'll paste the gist of it.
Quote[< MISO- comb. form + ancient Greek {alenis}{nu}{delta}{rho}-, {alenis}{nu}{ghacu}{rho} man (see ANDRO- comb. form) + -Y suffix3, after MISOGYNY n. Compare Greek {mu}{iota}{sigma}{alpha}{nu}{delta}{rho}{giacu}{alpha}, in scholia (medieval Greek or earlier) on Euripides Andromache 228.]
The hatred of males; hatred of men as a sex.
1909 Cent. Dict. Suppl. (at cited word), Misandry...Man-hatred; a bad opinion of man, as being unfair or oppressive toward women. 1946 Scrutiny 13 . 249 She..could do no better than what she very sensibly does do: follow masculine example, and answer to their affected misogyny with the affectation of misandry. 1960 B. KAYE Upper Nankin St. xii. 232 Such women are common in..Kwangtung Province, where there is a tradition of misandry. 1994 N.Y. Times 25 July IV. 2 Her book is..another feminist sally into misandry.
Quote from: nut-job on March 20, 2009, 10:08:09 AM
The on-line Oxford English Dictionary contains the citation for misandry and also gives 1909 as the date of first usage.
Thank you for your pains!
Interesting citation from 1946,
the affectation of misandry.
Quote from: Brian on March 20, 2009, 09:38:28 AM
Also, I would like to see what would happen if Josquin and Sean got together for dinner sometime. The result might be an immense entertainment. Especially if the waiter was M forever.
Hardly fair to Michael, who's pretty bright and knowledgeable but doesn't suffer fools graciously. He'd probably end up in the slammer. Perhaps Saul would be available...?
Quote from: DavidRoss on March 20, 2009, 01:11:43 PM
Hardly fair to Michael, who's pretty bright and knowledgeable but doesn't suffer fools graciously. He'd probably end up in the slammer. Perhaps Saul would be available...?
One day, a Jew and a German walk into a bar...
Quote from: DavidRoss on March 20, 2009, 01:11:43 PM
Hardly fair to Michael, who's pretty bright and knowledgeable but doesn't suffer fools graciously. He'd probably end up in the slammer. Perhaps Saul would be available...?
Oh, I was just kind of curious how M forever would exploit his position of power to punish them for their, uh, peculiarities.
Quote from: Brian on March 20, 2009, 09:38:28 AM
Also, I would like to see what would happen if Josquin and Sean got together for dinner sometime. The result might be an immense entertainment. Especially if the waiter was M forever.
They'd order swastika pudding.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 20, 2009, 08:37:39 AM
The Muslims are as sex obsessed as any society, including our own. That's the reason they cover the women: to hide the object of their obsession in order to get a little work done. :D
Sarge
Perhaps it would be more correct to say we are a sexually
indulgent society. Indeed, we are the true barbarians here, for we are the ones who surrender in our own animal urges. If anything, Islam seems to suffer from an
excess of civilization.
Quote from: Herman on March 20, 2009, 03:33:45 PM
They'd order swastika pudding.
I don't recall Sean ever talking about the Jewish question, and he appeared to be some sort of sexual deviant at one point or another so he wouldn't exactly be welcome at my table. I don't get the M reference, must have missed something.
Quote from: DavidRoss on March 20, 2009, 01:11:43 PM
Hardly fair to Michael, who's pretty bright and knowledgeable but doesn't suffer fools graciously. He'd probably end up in the slammer. Perhaps Saul would be available...?
That.
Also, misandy appears in the copy of the
Oxford American Dictionary pre-installed in my MacBook, as originating in "ca. 1940s". The
Little Oxford English Dictionary on my (physical) desk does not have it, which is no surprise; I'll check the
Concise OED when I get up.
Finally, has this thread ended up in the gutter, or am I missing some inherent elegance to all this [self-censored] coming from all directions? I'll do you all the favour of stepping outside the carpet-bombing area as soon as I've had that look in the COED, but I'm just saying...
Edit:
misandry:
n. hatred of men.
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DERIVATIVES misandrist (n.)
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ORIGIN 1940s: from Gk
miso- 'hating' +
aner, andr 'man', on the pattern of
misogyny.
From:
Concise Oxford English Dictionary, 11th Ed. (Revised). 2006.
Quote from: Brian on March 20, 2009, 09:33:23 AMThat concert must have been long as hell.
Sorry, I should have written "left the concert
s" - it happened in two concerts.
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 20, 2009, 05:03:49 PMI don't recall Sean ever talking about the Jewish question
What exactly is the jewish question? "Did Saul suck"? Well, not a question necessary to be asked, the answer is obvious.
...hell-oooo Senta!!! allow me to introduce myself 8)
ok....
...is ME responsible for this thread??? I go away for a couple of days and THIS is where we're at??? WOW! Is this the yoodenfroogen Glass Bead Game? This is like a lab experiment.
I'm not offended,...just...I don't know what the word for it is...I guess I should check my 1905 dictionary (aye, yes, NOT 1909- and according to my research, 1909 WAS an important year for dictionaries).
I feel like the son of a warrior whose father has put before me a fun toy and a sword to see which one I will go for. Keep in my, if I go for the fun ball, I die.
I feel really tempted to go for the sword (life), but I have to admit I feel chicken s**t about entering THIS fray.
All I will say is that I CAN appreciate when someone like Josquin ISN'T afraid...uh...hold on...I'm not going to say anything more because I don't want to be construed as being for or against any particular position. This kind of stuff tends towards pigeon-holing, and I'm not in the mood for being "marked" simply for mentioning Josquin's very particular views. I have meat. I have substance. And this "discussion" that began after my last post was of course unexpected as per my initial motivation for starting this thread.
Don't get me wrong. If this is where the thread is going, count me on as very interested in seeing where it will go, but know that I feel "tempted" to pop a gasket, though, not in anger, but in apoplexy. Especially the word picking concerning misandry and the such like.
OY!!! VEY!!!
This thread obviously shows that there IS a clash of civilisations/cultures that is at the heart of where we live in time today, though I don't say that it is necessarily the one that is being unearthed in the "language" of this thread.
I HAVE learned through hard knocks that there does appear to be certain topics that are verboten to all but the most intrepid...or foolish.
So in the interest of a flaccid diplomacy I say "however, others may feel differently." Why do I all of a sudden feel like Chamberlain?
If we didn't have the firewall of the computer, how would we all get along if we were all stuck in the same room.....FOREVER????
anyhow....how are all you doing today? :-* ::) :o ;)
Great; my womenfolk coddle me on the weekends . . . .
Keeping at it with your unique writing style, eh, snyprrr?
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 21, 2009, 01:10:32 PM
Great; my womenfolk coddle me on the weekends . . . .
Awww.... You're blessed, Karl (but then you already knew that, didnya?). Me, too. My lovely wife is being especially sweet towards me these days, protective of my sadness following the third death of someone meaningful to me in almost as many weeks...and with another friend having just survived a heart attack, thank God. Getting older ain't for sissies.
Quote from: DavidRoss on March 21, 2009, 01:48:20 PM
Getting older ain't for sissies.
As Bette Davies pithily, almost, pointed out. Indeed not. My opinion is that when you hit 50, whatever does not stop functioning, falls off.
Yes, snyprrr this thread has taken some very odd byways. Threads here are a bit like launching your children on the world; will they thrive, or go to the bad? I think this one is struggling to survive a turbulent adolescence.
Mike
...ah the Swiss...
I'm glad you brought it up.
I too feel that "irretrievable loss"...I believe I am a man living in a chalet in the Swiss Alps, out of time, "the golden age"...pondering life like an end of the century Romantic, Magic Mountain,...watching Visconti's "Death in Venice" like Charlton Heston in "The Omega Man."
I don't know why it's the Swiss Alps that I'm so attracted to, and I don't know if this has anything to do with the concept of neutrality, but there is a folksong interlude towards the end of the first movement of Bartok's 3rd string quartet, that if you get it as I do, you will know what I mean (if you expanded the canvas).
But, of course, this is only to covered up for The One That Got Away.
...so I know what you mean...
Quote from: snyprrr on March 21, 2009, 08:18:17 PM
But, of course, this is only to covered up for The One That Got Away.
Whoever that is, don't worry about it. If this woman is a typical woman, she might look good, but not have much else to offer besides a lifetime of enslavement and nagging (though there are exceptions).
You seem like a free-loving type of guy- am I right? Think of that whoever that is who got away and how much freedom they could take away from you- would it be worth it?
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Yes, snyprrr this thread has taken some very odd byways
but that's the fun of it! :D
Quote from: Gay Cuban Communist on March 22, 2009, 08:54:40 PM
Whoever that is, don't worry about it. If this woman is a typical woman, she might look good, but not have much else to offer besides a lifetime of enslavement and nagging (though there are exceptions).
And this broken record claims that women are limited. ::)
Quote from: Gay Cuban Communist on March 22, 2009, 08:54:40 PM
If this woman is a typical woman, she might look good, but not have much else to offer besides a lifetime of enslavement and nagging (though there are exceptions).
lol! If only it were that simple
;D