After all the various bewildering arguments, controversies, insults, accusations, attacks, and denigrations, I believe it is time to create a thread here on GMG that will be a place of healing, bonding, and forgiving, for after all we have spend such a long time together here, and it is about time that we turn our heads at each other and say candidly, with a smile:
I want to Hug You!
Peace.
(http://www.goodlightscraps.com/content/hugs/hugs-15.jpg)
Hey, gay. ;)
(just kidding)
Really, though, I'll never catch up to you in most threads made, now...
Quote from: Greg on July 06, 2010, 05:02:10 PM
Hey, gay. ;)
(just kidding)
Really, though, I'll never catch up to you in most threads made, now...
It was a joke... ;D
Don't take things so literally, Greg...
:)
Quote from: Saul on July 06, 2010, 04:48:35 PM
After all the various bewildering arguments, controversies, insults, accusations, attacks, and denigrations, I believe it is time to create a thread here on GMG that will be a place of healing, bonding, and forgiving, for after all we have spend such a long time together here, and it is about time that we turn our heads at each other and say candidly, with a smile:
I want to cut your head open and eat your brains out with my bare hands while you slowly die, mother f***er!
Saul, how could you? :o
The problem with a few people is, that when giving criticism, they can't do it constructively. I would never say of another person's opinion, or composition, etc. that it's "rubbish." This is not only very rude but unintelligent. People like this have a cognitive inability to put up a coherent argument, so they substitute abuse. Often these people are quite narrow minded, and want to force their narrow mindedness and limitations on others. I just thank goodness that I am not one of these people. I don't come here to belittle others or show off my knowledge, etc. We are all limited in some way, no one can know everything. I actually enjoy the diversity of opinions, and I like to read people's opinions on things that I don't know that much about. That's how I learn. If I was as limited as some of these people, I would probably give up listening to classical altogether. I mean I don't want to listen to the music of one era only, or of a certain genre, to the exclusion of all else. If I don't get into a variety of music, I see myself as missing out on many good things. I just wish some people could be more positive and take on this kind of attitude. You never know what you might learn if you become a bit more flexible. Isn't life meant to be a journey?
...rant over...
Quote from: Sid on July 06, 2010, 09:56:21 PM
The problem with a few people is, that when giving criticism, they can't do it constructively. I would never say of another person's opinion, or composition, etc. that it's "rubbish." This is not only very rude but unintelligent. People like this have a cognitive inability to put up a coherent argument, so they substitute abuse. Often these people are quite narrow minded, and want to force their narrow mindedness and limitations on others. I just thank goodness that I am not one of these people. I don't come here to belittle others or show off my knowledge, etc. We are all limited in some way, no one can know everything. I actually enjoy the diversity of opinions, and I like to read people's opinions on things that I don't know that much about. That's how I learn. If I was as limited as some of these people, I would probably give up listening to classical altogether. I mean I don't want to listen to the music of one era only, or of a certain genre, to the exclusion of all else. If I don't get into a variety of music, I see myself as missing out on many good things. I just wish some people could be more positive and take on this kind of attitude. You never know what you might learn if you become a bit more flexible. Isn't life meant to be a journey?
...rant over...
I'll try to be constructive.
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/smiley.gif) YYeeessss, that's all perfectly fine and there are many points where I'd like to see an injection of high grade civility, and without a doubt some posters are simply not capable of handling disagreement (in the form of being disagreed with) to such an extent that it renders any discussion unpleasant in the extreme.
Yet...........there has to be a
yet, right?.....some of these borderline nasty fights are well worth engaging in. Believe it or not, some ideas are worth defending, and human nature being what it is the argument will get nasty. It can be taken too far, I agree (someone said, so I'm agreeing). Let's let the Mods do their thing. My view is that telling people to "be nice" only has an effect on people who aren't that bad, and the really bad actors don't listen until a Mod steps in.
Be nice, Ernie... $:)
I think that as a group, we mods let things go a long way before we step on them. We're interested in the results too, or contributing to their arrival. As long as people discuss ideas and not personalities, we mostly just let it go. But past history has proven beyond a doubt (look at all the posters you miss) that allowing people free rein to cyber-bully and "win" arguments by simply beating down the 'opposition' leads to a lack of diversity and new ideas that will inevitably snuff the forum. :)
8)
Quote from: Sid on July 06, 2010, 09:56:21 PM
The problem with a few people is, that when giving criticism, they can't do it constructively. I would never say of another person's opinion, or composition, etc. that it's "rubbish." This is not only very rude but unintelligent. People like this have a cognitive inability to put up a coherent argument, so they substitute abuse. Often these people are quite narrow minded, and want to force their narrow mindedness and limitations on others. I just thank goodness that I am not one of these people. I don't come here to belittle others or show off my knowledge, etc. We are all limited in some way, no one can know everything. I actually enjoy the diversity of opinions, and I like to read people's opinions on things that I don't know that much about. That's how I learn. If I was as limited as some of these people, I would probably give up listening to classical altogether. I mean I don't want to listen to the music of one era only, or of a certain genre, to the exclusion of all else. If I don't get into a variety of music, I see myself as missing out on many good things. I just wish some people could be more positive and take on this kind of attitude. You never know what you might learn if you become a bit more flexible. Isn't life meant to be a journey?
...rant over...
rubbish
Quote from: Saul on July 06, 2010, 04:48:35 PM
After all the various bewildering arguments, controversies, insults, accusations, attacks, and denigrations, I believe it is time to create a thread here on GMG that will be a place of healing, bonding, and forgiving, for after all we have spend such a long time together here, and it is about time that we turn our heads at each other and say candidly, with a smile:
I want to Hug You!
Peace.
Oh, blow it out your bunghole, Saul. >:(
Whose move is it?
Quote from: Greg on July 07, 2010, 04:32:08 PM
rubbish
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• Scrub with a stiff brush and peel off the dark skin before using horseradish.
• In larger roots, the core may be fibrous and bitter. Remove and discard the core, along with any green spots.
Actually-- I'd like to return to to the original goal of this thread. Gurn is right on-- the name-calling threads tend to get VERY tedious. I've seen some great debates in this forum where many interesting perspectives and considerations are raised-- but the name calling ones tend to be very circular.
These are the tenets I try to follow-- please call me out when I don't adhere to them.
1. Criticize ideas, not people. (If you think an idea is stupid, socratic questioning and actual scholarship can dismantle it more effectively. )
2. No one "wins"-- If you debate a topic (which I like to do) and expect a clear victory, you are begging for a disappointment. The best one can hope for is to develop a broader understanding.
3. Qualifications and Credentials don't answer questions: Wasting space saying "why" ones opinion is so valuable doesn't work as effectively as specific scholarship or reasoning to the problem at hand.
4. Try some emotional detachment: I've had one of closest people in my life blow their brains out with a shotgun 15 feet from me when I was 16. I've had to sit in a pediatric ICU and watch my daughter get testing hourly for permanent brain damage. There's more I can share, and all of us have likely had to undergo some really rough times in the past. How is having someone telling me that I'm full of it on an internet chat forum going to rival that for trauma? The worst insults I've gotten here have had the unfortunate affect of making me giggle. If you are truly secure with yourself, having someone disagree should not be considered a direct assault.
5. Remember that music is fun, vital, and spiritual enriching, even if all discussions about it are not.
6. Keep to the present. The past is past. Let it go:
(One of Jowcol's annoying Buddhist Proverbs follows)
Tanzan and Ekido were once traveling together down a muddy road. A heavy rain was still falling.
Coming around a bend, they met a lovely girl in a silk kimono and sash, unable to cross the intersection.
"Come on, girl" said Tanzan at once. Lifting her in his arms, he carried her over the mud.
Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a lodging temple. Then he no longer could restrain himself. "We monks don't go near females," he told Tanzan, "especially not young and lovely ones. It is dangerous. Why did you do that?"
"I left the girl there," said Tanzan. "Are you still carrying her?"
7. I try not to take what I'm saying too seriously. Sometimes a bit of self-defecating humor comes in handy.
8. I'm proud to be an idiot. That means there is so much more I can learn...
Anyway-- back to silliness. As they say, life is too short to be taken seriously...
Quote from: jowcol on July 08, 2010, 02:32:03 AM
Actually-- I'd like to return to to the original goal of this thread. Gurn is right on-- the name-calling threads tend to get VERY tedious. I've seen some great debates in this forum where many interesting perspectives and considerations are raised-- but the name calling ones tend to be very circular.
These are the tenets I try to follow-- please call me out when I don't adhere to them.
1. Criticize ideas, not people. (If you think an idea is stupid, socratic questioning and actual scholarship can dismantle it more effectively. )
2. No one "wins"-- If you debate a topic (which I like to do) and expect a clear victory, you are begging for a disappointment. The best one can hope for is to develop a broader understanding.
3. Qualifications and Credentials don't answer questions: Wasting space saying "why" ones opinion is so valuable doesn't work as effectively as specific scholarship or reasoning to the problem at hand.
4. Try some emotional detachment: I've had one of closest people in my life blow their brains out with a shotgun 15 feet from me when I was 16. I've had to sit in a pediatric ICU and watch my daughter get testing hourly for permanent brain damage. There's more I can share, and all of us have likely had to undergo some really rough times in the past. How is having someone telling me that I'm full of it on an internet chat forum going to rival that for trauma? The worst insults I've gotten here have had the unfortunate affect of making me giggle. If you are truly secure with yourself, having someone disagree should not be considered a direct assault.
5. Remember that music is fun, vital, and spiritual enriching, even if all discussions about it are not.
6. Keep to the present. The past is past. Let it go:
(One of Jowcol's annoying Buddhist Proverbs follows)
Tanzan and Ekido were once traveling together down a muddy road. A heavy rain was still falling.
Coming around a bend, they met a lovely girl in a silk kimono and sash, unable to cross the intersection.
"Come on, girl" said Tanzan at once. Lifting her in his arms, he carried her over the mud.
Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a lodging temple. Then he no longer could restrain himself. "We monks don't go near females," he told Tanzan, "especially not young and lovely ones. It is dangerous. Why did you do that?"
"I left the girl there," said Tanzan. "Are you still carrying her?"
7. I try not to take what I'm saying too seriously. Sometimes a bit of self-defecating humor comes in handy.
8. I'm proud to be an idiot. That means there is so much more I can learn...
Anyway-- back to silliness. As they say, life is too short to be taken seriously...
rubbish
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/evil.gif)
One tiny quibble, if I may (I don't know how much longer I can do this). I think we need more evidence of the value of opinions, whether it arrives as scholarship, reasoning or what have you. It amazes me how seldom you read "I think this,
and this is why." I don't just want to read peoples opinions, I want to see the good part, the reasons for holding them. I will prefer a dubious opinion that's well justified to something that has initial plausibility but no support other than "you're crazy to think otherwise". Giving reasons is not only good for making posts more interesting to read, but because (oh well, what the hell) it shows respect for those who are reading. It says "I owe you reasons, because I'm not so self-infatuated that I think my opinion is valuable just because it's mine". Anyway it's a good habit to give reasons since it encourages you to find better reasons to give, or even
(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/shocked.gif) better opinions.
Another thing: Can we retire the word "drivel"? Also it would be good to dispense with the term "the masses". It's usually a bad sign when these show up in posts, IMNSHO.
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Quote from: jowcol on July 08, 2010, 02:32:03 AM
Actually-- I'd like to return to to the original goal of this thread. Gurn is right on-- the name-calling threads tend to get VERY tedious. I've seen some great debates in this forum where many interesting perspectives and considerations are raised-- but the name calling ones tend to be very circular.
These are the tenets I try to follow-- please call me out when I don't adhere to them.
1. Criticize ideas, not people. (If you think an idea is stupid, socratic questioning and actual scholarship can dismantle it more effectively. )
2. No one "wins"-- If you debate a topic (which I like to do) and expect a clear victory, you are begging for a disappointment. The best one can hope for is to develop a broader understanding.
3. Qualifications and Credentials don't answer questions: Wasting space saying "why" ones opinion is so valuable doesn't work as effectively as specific scholarship or reasoning to the problem at hand.
4. Try some emotional detachment: I've had one of closest people in my life blow their brains out with a shotgun 15 feet from me when I was 16. I've had to sit in a pediatric ICU and watch my daughter get testing hourly for permanent brain damage. There's more I can share, and all of us have likely had to undergo some really rough times in the past. How is having someone telling me that I'm full of it on an internet chat forum going to rival that for trauma? The worst insults I've gotten here have had the unfortunate affect of making me giggle. If you are truly secure with yourself, having someone disagree should not be considered a direct assault.
5. Remember that music is fun, vital, and spiritual enriching, even if all discussions about it are not.
6. Keep to the present. The past is past. Let it go:
(One of Jowcol's annoying Buddhist Proverbs follows)
Tanzan and Ekido were once traveling together down a muddy road. A heavy rain was still falling.
Coming around a bend, they met a lovely girl in a silk kimono and sash, unable to cross the intersection.
"Come on, girl" said Tanzan at once. Lifting her in his arms, he carried her over the mud.
Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a lodging temple. Then he no longer could restrain himself. "We monks don't go near females," he told Tanzan, "especially not young and lovely ones. It is dangerous. Why did you do that?"
"I left the girl there," said Tanzan. "Are you still carrying her?"
7. I try not to take what I'm saying too seriously. Sometimes a bit of self-defecating humor comes in handy.
8. I'm proud to be an idiot. That means there is so much more I can learn...
Anyway-- back to silliness. As they say, life is too short to be taken seriously...
All points well taken.
Quote from: Saul on July 06, 2010, 04:48:35 PM
After all the various bewildering arguments, controversies, insults, accusations, attacks, and denigrations, I believe it is time to create a thread here on GMG that will be a place of healing . . . .
Why make a ghetto for good behavior? Why not be an agent of toleration and openness to the ideas of others elsewhere in the forum, too?
For one instance, in discussions of atonal music? Do you have the courage to let other people be themselves, the courage to respect ideas which do not neatly align with your own, or only the mean weakness of scorn for anyone who disagrees with you?
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 08, 2010, 04:42:10 AM
Why make a ghetto for good behavior? Why not be an agent of toleration and openness to the ideas of others elsewhere in the forum, too?
For one instance, in discussions of atonal music?
Do you have the courage to let other people be themselves, the courage to respect ideas which do not neatly align with your own, or only the mean weakness of scorn for anyone who disagrees with you?
Did you hear the story "when the Wolf attacked the sheep"?
That's what you're doing now.
I always tried to separate the topic from the member, and not go into personal attacks. I was the one who was always attacked personally, and that's why I created the thread, that even though I and some others have been attacked, still for the sake of forgiveness, we should all come together.
But you again, for some odd reason, even here, attack me, this is unfortunate, cease and desist as they say, Karl. You should remember, you specifically and some others, having a PhD or any other Diploma doesn't give you the right to insult and attack people, I don't care what you are and what credentials you have, every human being deserves respect, once you will understand that, you and others, the site will be much better off.
Well, so now even this thread is an occasion for you to play victim.
I withdraw all criticism of your behavior, poor Saul.
We all understand by now that you are just perfect as you are, and that anyone who finds fault in the things you say, or in the way in which you comport yourself, are just wolves attacking the poor, poor, innocent sheep.
You make me shed a tear.
That was my final attempt to take manly sense with you. It is clear that you are an irredeemable troll, and I shan't remove you from the ignore pit again.
Quote from: Saul on July 08, 2010, 04:57:43 AM
I always tried to separate the topic from the member, and not go into personal attacks. I was the one who was always attacked personally, and that's why I created the thread, that even though I and some others have been attacked, still for the sake of forgiveness, we should all come together.
Please, Saul. This pretense of being an innocent victim convinces nobody. I've seen you in operation, both here and at That Other Board, and you can get pretty nasty at times. Shall I quote you chapter and verse from some of your choice moments? Now I will freely admit that I have been sarcastic towards you and certain others who have made statements I consider arrogant and/or foolish. But you're hardly free from blame here, and certainly neither is the Lady Teresa. As the French proverb goes, "Every sin is a collaboration."
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 08, 2010, 05:04:01 AM
Well, so now even this thread is an occasion for you to play victim.
I withdraw all criticism of your behavior, poor Saul.
We all understand by now that you are just perfect as you are, and that anyone who finds fault in the things you say, or in the way in which you comport yourself, are just wolves attacking the poor, poor, innocent sheep.
You make me shed a tear.
That was my final attempt to take manly sense with you. It is clear that you are an irredeemable troll, and I shan't remove you from the ignore pit again.
Not only me but others as well who have been on the receiving end of the barrage of insults, yes just like now, calling us 'Trolls' and making fun of us.
This is wrong, Karl, stop it. You're not behaving properly, and you need to respect others.
No one's perfect, and that's includes you too.
You want to ignore me, go rite ahead, but I will never ignore you, even though you can be very offensive, you do have a good cheerful side, I'm able to separate between the two.
Its time you learn this too, that people are not Trolls or monsters, or any other things, they are human beings that have good qualities too, and shouldn't be generalized like that.
Quote from: Sforzando on July 08, 2010, 05:12:18 AM
Please, Saul. This pretense of being an innocent victim convinces nobody. I've seen you in operation, both here and at That Other Board, and you can get pretty nasty at times. Shall I quote you chapter and verse from some of your choice moments Now I will freely admit that I have been sarcastic towards you and certain others who have made statements I consider arrogant and/or foolish. But you're hardly free from blame here, and certainly neither is the Lady Teresa. As the French proverb goes, "Every sin is a collaboration."
You're right I also wasn't 100 percent at all times, part of been human.
This thread was created for all to BOND AND FORGIVE, not only me...
I thought I made that VERY CLEAR at the BEGINING of the thread, didn't I?
Quote from: Saul on July 08, 2010, 05:17:31 AM
You're right I also wasn't 100 percent at all times, part of been human.
This thread was created for all to BOND AND FORGIVE, not only me...
I thought I made that VERY CLEAR at the BEGINING of the thread, didn't I?
Case in point:
Saul 1: I always tried to separate the topic from the member, and not go into personal attacks.
Saul 2: This is wrong, Karl, stop it. You're not behaving properly, and you need to respect others.
No one's perfect, and that's includes you too.
You want to ignore me, go rite ahead, but I will never ignore you, even though you can be very offensive.
No personal attacks there. All bonding and forgiveness.
Quote from: Sforzando on July 08, 2010, 05:30:38 AM
Case in point:
Saul 1: I always tried to separate the topic from the member, and not go into personal attacks.
Saul 2: This is wrong, Karl, stop it. You're not behaving properly, and you need to respect others.
No one's perfect, and that's includes you too.
You want to ignore me, go rite ahead, but I will never ignore you, even though you can be very offensive.
No personal attacks there. All bonding and forgiveness.
Youre taking things out of context.
Quote from: Sforzando on July 08, 2010, 05:30:38 AM
Saul 2: . . . even though you can be very offensive.
No personal attacks there. All bonding and forgiveness.
Yup, I'm feeling the love.
Quote from: jowcol on July 08, 2010, 02:32:03 AM
1. Criticize ideas, not people.
A note that, of course, this only works when everyone is being honest. If you criticize my idea(s), but I really don't want to face that criticism, it is a commonplace that I might protest how you are (supposedly) criticizing me, and being horribly, horribly offensive at it, too! See! Presto-change-o, I have no need to address the criticism of my idea(s)! I've avoided the unpleasantness and inconvenience of examining my own ideas. Just as well, since I'm rite all the time.
Looking at a post of Alan's, and smiling. I think, If I were an oat flake . . . .
Quote from: drogulus on July 08, 2010, 04:35:59 AM
rubbish
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One tiny quibble, if I may (I don't know how much longer I can do this). I think we need more evidence of the value of opinions, whether it arrives as scholarship, reasoning or what have you. It amazes me how seldom you read "I think this, and this is why." I don't just want to read peoples opinions, I want to see the good part, the reasons for holding them. I will prefer a dubious opinion that's well justified to something that has initial plausibility but no support other than "you're crazy to think otherwise". Giving reasons is not only good for making posts more interesting to read, but because (oh well, what the hell) it shows respect for those who are reading. It says "I owe you reasons, because I'm not so self-infatuated that I think my opinion is valuable just because it's mine". Anyway it's a good habit to give reasons since it encourages you to find better reasons to give, or even (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/shocked.gif) better opinions.
This is a really good point-- we don't have to be scholarly-- even a "you say toMAto and I say toMAHto " discussion can be great if we apply some introspection and try to provide more understanding for why we don't like something we are "supposed" to like. There are a lot of acknowledge "greats" that just don't work for me. In some cases it's highly personal, subjective, and utter lacking in any scholarship. (Tchaikovsky carries baggage with me for saying bad things about Mussorgsky, Beethoven's orchestration just doesn't look right to me-- this is more of synesthesia-perceptual thing-- I know I'm not qualified to critique his scores. I hate the Clapton Song "I shot the sherriff" because it was popular during one of the roughest summers I ever went through). Our likes and dislikes are driven by a web of assumptions we consciously and subconciously make, and it is not reasonable to expect a stranger to carry the same set of associations.
As far as some of the other stuff going on in this thread, I'm going to have to open another can of
whupass zen:
The pupils of the Tendai school used to study meditation before Zen entered Japan. Four of them who were intimate friends promised one another to observe seven days of silence.
On the first day all were silent. Their meditation had begun auspiciously, but when night came and the oil lamps were growing dim one of the pupils could not help exclaiming to a servant: "Fix those lamps."
The second pupils was surprised to hear the first one talk. "We are not supposed to say a word," he remarked.
"You two are stupid. Why did you talk?" asked the third.
"I am the only one who has not talked," concluded the fourth pupil.
In posting this, I am the fourth pupil, and must be the silliest of all, in that I've not been able to benefit at all from the previous three.
You will excuse me, but it is now time for me to surrender to the musical embrace of Richard Clayderman, the only artist I know who can surpass the summits of musical bliss scaled by Liberace.
I hate "I Shot the Sherriff" just on its merits.
(Just saying.)
Quote from: jowcol on July 08, 2010, 06:15:44 AM
This is a really good point-- we don't have to be scholarly-- even a "you say toMAto and I say toMAHto " discussion can be great if we apply some introspection and try to provide more understanding for why we don't like something we are "supposed" to like. There are a lot of acknowledge "greats" that just don't work for me. In some cases it's highly personal, subjective, and utter lacking in any scholarship. (Tchaikovsky carries baggage with me for saying bad things about Mussorgsky, Beethoven's orchestration just doesn't look right to me-- this is more of synesthesia-perceptual thing-- I know I'm not qualified to critique his scores. I hate the Clapton Song "I shot the sherriff" because it was popular during one of the roughest summers I ever went through). Our likes and dislikes are driven by a web of assumptions we consciously and subconciously make, and it is not reasonable to expect a stranger to carry the same set of associations.
As far as some of the other stuff going on in this thread, I'm going to have to open another can of whupass zen:
The pupils of the Tendai school used to study meditation before Zen entered Japan. Four of them who were intimate friends promised one another to observe seven days of silence.
On the first day all were silent. Their meditation had begun auspiciously, but when night came and the oil lamps were growing dim one of the pupils could not help exclaiming to a servant: "Fix those lamps."
The second pupils was surprised to hear the first one talk. "We are not supposed to say a word," he remarked.
"You two are stupid. Why did you talk?" asked the third.
"I am the only one who has not talked," concluded the fourth pupil.
In posting this, I am the fourth pupil, and must be the silliest of all, in that I've not been able to benefit at all from the previous three.
You will excuse me, but it is now time for me to surrender to the musical embrace of Richard Clayderman, the only artist I know who can surpass the summits of musical bliss scaled by Liberace.
I love these stories and they are SO on target (particularly liked the first though). I hope that all of us will take them to heart.
Saul starts a "peace" thread.
MN Dave LOLs. :D
Quote from: MN Dave on July 08, 2010, 06:31:08 AM
Saul starts a "peace" thread.
MN Dave LOLs. :D
Well at least it made you laugh... a good thing by all accounts.
Quote from: MN Dave on July 08, 2010, 06:31:08 AM
Saul starts a "peace" thread.
MN Dave LOLs. :D
Dave and Karl walk in a forest.
Dave says, "My iPod needs recharging."
Karl says, "The birches are very musical this afternoon."
A chipmunk scurries. Dave hears it. No tree falls.
Saul posts something. It reads: "You are ignoring this."
MN Dave LOLs.
A nutria dashes off in terror at Dave's hearty chuckles.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 08, 2010, 06:38:57 AM
A nutria dashes off in terror at Dave's hearty chuckles.
How many nutrients are in a nutria?
It is not impossible not to ignore this question!
0:)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 08, 2010, 06:35:12 AM
Dave and Karl walk in a forest.
Dave says, "My iPod needs recharging."
Karl says, "The birches are very musical this afternoon."
A chipmunk scurries. Dave hears it.
No tree falls.
I think I have just been enlightened? (Or was it gas?) Either way, this is heavy stuff. :'(
Quote from: jowcol on July 08, 2010, 06:14:17 PM
I think I have just been enlightened? (Or was it gas?) Either way, this is heavy stuff. :'(
Yeah, that should've been the text of a Feldman opera.
Lightness, if not necessarily enlightenment.
Quote from: Greg on July 08, 2010, 06:17:36 PM
Yeah, that should've been the text of a Feldman opera.
I think it's enough material for a 7 hour Phillip Glass opera, as long as we can add a spaceship.
Look, ma: I'm a librettist!
We really do not need yet another "Saul thread".
So, closed forthwith.
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