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Title: OLD collector
Post by: oldfezzi on May 28, 2011, 08:14:37 AM
Been collecting records, lps, tapes, CDs for about 60 years now.  Concert music collection contains about 11,000 works - perhaps 10% of them are duplicates and around 2200 composers.  Do not care for atonal, 12 tone and other forms of musical noise.  In the last 15 years have concentrated mainly on music by forgotten or neglected composers - mostly 19th century.   We have certainly been blessed with a plethora of recordings recently. Can share some works from radio broadcasts over the years.  Such as the 4 Piano Concertos by Halfdan Cleve that have not been recorded commercially.  Have had season tickets of one sort or another to the Minnesota orchestra since the 1957-58 season and have been an orchestra guarantor for many years. 

Jerry
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: DavidW on May 28, 2011, 09:46:42 AM
Welcome Jerry! :)
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Post by: springrite on May 28, 2011, 10:18:47 AM
Minnesota may not be the most populous State of the union but it sure is well represented here at GMG. Welcome!
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Post by: Scarpia on May 28, 2011, 10:21:32 AM
Welcome!
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Post by: Mn Dave on May 28, 2011, 10:41:14 AM
QuoteDo not care for atonal, 12 tone and other forms of musical noise.

;D

Welcome, Mn Jerry.  :)
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Post by: DavidW on May 28, 2011, 11:54:37 AM
Minnesota must have a ban on honking...
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Post by: Coco on May 28, 2011, 12:23:28 PM
Living on an intersection, it's my experience that the honking is almost always tonal. :D
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Post by: DavidW on May 28, 2011, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: Coco on May 28, 2011, 12:23:28 PM
Living on an intersection, it's my experience that the honking is almost always tonal. :D

hehehehe ;D
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Post by: mc ukrneal on May 28, 2011, 01:01:47 PM
Welcome and enjoy yourself!
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: springrite on May 28, 2011, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: Coco on May 28, 2011, 12:23:28 PM
Living on an intersection, it's my experience that the honking is almost always tonal. :D

But if you go north of the border, the honking are sometimes spectrual.
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: Mirror Image on May 28, 2011, 08:25:32 PM
Quote from: oldfezzi on May 28, 2011, 08:14:37 AMDo not care for atonal, 12 tone and other forms of musical noise.

Oh well this ol' atonalist welcomes you to the forum! :)
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: Hollywood on May 28, 2011, 11:53:48 PM
Howdy Jerry! Greetings from Vienna, Austria. Welcome to the forum. I'm glad to see that I am not the only one who can't listen to that Twelve-tone technique stuff.  8)
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: Brian on May 29, 2011, 12:51:28 AM
Quote from: Hollywood on May 28, 2011, 11:53:48 PMI'm glad to see that I am not the only one who can't listen to that Twelve-tone technique stuff.  8)

For me it's like vodka - I really have to need something strong!

Welcome, Jerry, hope you'll enjoy the discussions here as much as I do. And I've never even heard of Halfdan Cleve - a completely new name to me, even though I'm a big enthusiast of romantic piano concertos!
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: oldfezzi on May 29, 2011, 01:37:38 PM
For those who come back for another peek, here's the link to Cleve's PConcertos 1,2,3 & 5.   https://rapidshare.com/files/1727896720/Halfdan_Cleve.rar

If you go for the download, be prepared to be patient.  It's a 200+ meg file  and they make you wait for your download.

Now, speaking as some were of having to listen to non-music, we were at Orchestra Hall last night for a stunning performance of Mahler 6 with Vanska conducting.  But we had to endure the Trumpet Concerto #1 by Linkola (whoever that is......).  Well actually for me, 25 minutes of any concert piece with a trumpet would be about 20 minutes too long. 

And next week another in the Beethoven Piano Concerto recording series with Yevgeny Sudbin - this time the 3rd.  And a Sibelius 2nd.  Should be another great program.

Jerry
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Post by: bhodges on May 31, 2011, 09:55:25 AM
Hi Jerry, and welcome. I have a number of friends and family in Minneapolis, and some of them were also at that Mahler 6th concert - they all said it was terrific. The Minnesota Orchestra is one of my favorites, and I always try to hear them when they come to New York.

Anyway, welcome again and enjoy yourself here.

--Bruce
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: eyeresist on June 01, 2011, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: oldfezzi on May 29, 2011, 01:37:38 PM
Well actually for me, 25 minutes of any concert piece with a trumpet would be about 20 minutes too long. 

LOL!

I think "UNmusical noise" might be more accurate or at least descriptive of the problem ;)

Greetings. Hope you enjoy your stay.
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Post by: oldfezzi on June 01, 2011, 06:01:08 PM
Thanks, eyeresist.   It's not that I don't like trumpets - I just don't think most of the brass instruments lend themselves to long concert pieces.  Exception:  French Horm.    Louis Armstrong is a much better place for longer trumpet solos.  And others.

Been to your fair city for two vacation visits but sadly did not get to attend any kind of performance at the famous opera house.   But do have a good friend who was a Rotary exchange student back when my kids were in school, who lives in Paddington.

Cheers from Minnesota.

Jerry
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Post by: eyeresist on June 01, 2011, 08:32:44 PM
Louis Armstrong's works tend to run much shorter than 25 minutes. Don't know how I'd like them at that length.
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Post by: springrite on June 01, 2011, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: eyeresist on June 01, 2011, 08:32:44 PM
Louis Armstrong's works tend to run much shorter than 25 minutes. Don't know how I'd like them at that length.

For the same work, Louis Armstrong's performance seems to last less than 25 minutes while others seems much longer.
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: oldfezzi on June 02, 2011, 04:41:10 AM
I'm starting to think I'm in the wrong forum here.  Several days ago I started a thread on Halfdan Cleve and posted a link to an upload of 4 of his 5 piano concertos which are not available commercially.   (link is at the top of this thread as well).

So far, there hasn't been one response on that thread.  So I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that folks here aren't much interested in discussing obscure and forgotten composers.   :-[  Which is my area of most interest since I got tired of the workhorses about 50 years ago. 
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: Que on June 02, 2011, 05:02:22 AM
Quote from: oldfezzi on June 02, 2011, 04:41:10 AM
I'm starting to think I'm in the wrong forum here.  Several days ago I started a thread on Halfdan Cleve and posted a link to an upload of 4 of his 5 piano concertos which are not available commercially.   (link is at the top of this thread as well).

So far, there hasn't been one response on that thread.  So I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that folks here aren't much interested in discussing obscure and forgotten composers.   :-[  Which is my area of most interest since I got tired of the workhorses about 50 years ago.

My impression is that here are plenty members around that have similar interests. "Several days ago" turns out to be one day ago, at least according to my calendar... And the thread has been read 23 times during that time - which isn't really all that bad. Keep in mind not everybody has the time to visit on a daily basis.

Anyway, I'm glad you have such high expectations of us. :) And welcome. :)

Q
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: klingsor on June 02, 2011, 06:27:56 AM
Quote from: oldfezzi on May 28, 2011, 08:14:37 AM
  Do not care for atonal, 12 tone and other forms of musical noise.   

Give me Schoenberg over Mozart anytime....!  ;D

But welcome to the forum, you will find plenty of interesting stuff to read, discuss and argue (if you're so inclined)  ;)

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Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 02, 2011, 06:50:00 AM
Quote from: oldfezzi on June 02, 2011, 04:41:10 AM
I'm starting to think I'm in the wrong forum here.  Several days ago I started a thread on Halfdan Cleve and posted a link to an upload of 4 of his 5 piano concertos which are not available commercially.   (link is at the top of this thread as well).

So far, there hasn't been one response on that thread.  So I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that folks here aren't much interested in discussing obscure and forgotten composers.   :-[  Which is my area of most interest since I got tired of the workhorses about 50 years ago.

Give it some time. You're asking a lot. Asking us to invest time in a composer almost no one has heard of; asking us to download a large file; asking us to listen to four piano concertos. All that will take time and energy. Don't expect an immediate response. It would help, I think, if you described the music; told us why you think he's worth hearing.

Sarge
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: klingsor on June 02, 2011, 06:54:37 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 02, 2011, 06:50:00 AM
Give it some time. You're asking a lot. Asking us to invest time in a composer almost no one has heard of; asking us to download a large file; asking us to listen to four piano concertos. All that will take time and energy. Don't expect an immediate response. It would help, I think, if you described the music; told us why you think he's worth hearing.

Sarge

Or a short mp3 excerpt would be helpful as well  ;)
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 02, 2011, 06:50:00 AM
Give it some time. You're asking a lot. Asking us to invest time in a composer almost no one has heard of; asking us to download a large file; asking us to listen to four piano concertos. All that will take time and energy. Don't expect an immediate response. It would help, I think, if you described the music; told us why you think he's worth hearing.

You also dismissed as "musical noise" most of the music many of us here love, which was in inauspicious start.   :'(
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: karlhenning on June 02, 2011, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: oldfezzi on June 02, 2011, 04:41:10 AM
. . . So I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that folks here aren't much interested in discussing obscure and forgotten composers.   :-[

No, there's actually quite a lot of that in the air here at any given time.
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: DavidW on June 02, 2011, 09:45:40 AM
Oldfezzi should post a clip on that game thread, that would get people interested! :D

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 02, 2011, 09:43:22 AM
No, there's actually quite a lot of that in the air here at any given time.

Yeah a bit too much cacklin' now and then. :D
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: klingsor on June 02, 2011, 11:10:19 AM
It's the lesser known ones that are usually more interesting to discuss: so much has already been said about Beethoven, Wagner, Mahler, et al
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Post by: eyeresist on June 02, 2011, 06:19:00 PM
Sorry your thread hasn't received much notice. It happens to the best of us (well, certainly to me). The thing is, everyone is in the midst of their own musical journey, and their interests may not coincide with yours, temporally speaking. But don't give up! Look at the Koechlin thread, which is going strong with a membership of one ;)


Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 02, 2011, 09:33:29 AM
You also dismissed as "musical noise" most of the music many of us here love, which was in inauspicious start.   :'(

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: Mirror Image on June 02, 2011, 09:51:49 PM
Quote from: oldfezzi on June 02, 2011, 04:41:10 AM
I'm starting to think I'm in the wrong forum here.  Several days ago I started a thread on Halfdan Cleve and posted a link to an upload of 4 of his 5 piano concertos which are not available commercially.   (link is at the top of this thread as well).

So far, there hasn't been one response on that thread.  So I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that folks here aren't much interested in discussing obscure and forgotten composers.   :-[  Which is my area of most interest since I got tired of the workhorses about 50 years ago.

Don't give up so easily! I mean as the self-professed Koechlin fan around here, you shouldn't feel the way you do until you've walked a mile in my shoes or, in this case, my computer. Everybody here has their interests and are seeking some way to get that passion and joy out there for people to read whether they read it or not. The point is if you're passionate about this music, which I have no doubt that you are, then stick around. As much as I love Koechlin's music, I still listen to many different composers ranging from Ravel to Berg to Villa-Lobos to Ligeti. It's all a matter of finding some common interest with people and it's from here that a conversation could spark and go in a myriad of directions.
Title: Re: OLD collector
Post by: Hilltroll73 on June 21, 2011, 03:38:53 PM
Quote from: ~ Que ~ on June 02, 2011, 05:02:22 AM
My impression is that here are plenty members around that have similar interests. "Several days ago" turns out to be one day ago, at least according to my calendar... And the thread has been read 23 times during that time - which isn't really all that bad. Keep in mind not everybody has the time to visit on a daily basis.

Anyway, I'm glad you have such high expectations of us. :) And welcome. :)

Q

I'm a newbie here, haven't yet found the strength to read all of the posts.

Halfdan Cleve? That's a great name! One of my least regrets (but still a regret) is that I am not named Thorstein Olafson. Soon as I can tear myself away from spring cleaning I will check out your uploads.

Hilltroll