I just came to think of this. Can anyone name a composer who wrote more erotic music than that of Scriabin, or equal to Scriabin?
Quote from: mikkeljs on June 14, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
I just came to think of this. Can anyone name a composer who wrote more erotic music than that of Scriabin, or equal to Scriabin?
Uh....Wagner? ;)
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 14, 2011, 12:34:19 PM
Uh....Wagner? ;)
Really?? Wagner is one of those composers I never discovered yet. I will have to find out.
Quote from: mikkeljs on June 14, 2011, 12:36:49 PM
Really?? Wagner is one of those composers I never discovered yet. I will have to find out.
:o Never heard of Tristan and Isolde?
Szymanowski, haha!! :P
I would like to know exactly what constitutes 'erotic' music. I imagine lines snaking up and down, intertwining each other,... isn't this what Berg is known for? Then, I suppose, the 'Thrusting Sounds', and creaking lines under pressure. Ah, and the 'Tingles', I suppose endless trilling,... now that you mention it, I san see where the trilling would be kinda kinky, haha! :P :-* :P :-*
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Quote from: mikkeljs on June 14, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
I just came to think of this. Can anyone name a composer who wrote more erotic music than that of Scriabin, or equal to Scriabin?
Mozart.
Quote from: Marc on June 14, 2011, 01:33:49 PM
Mozart.
I think Mozart's music is a little too delicate and pristine to come across as erotic. Zemlinsky would get my vote.
Quote from: Bulldog on June 14, 2011, 01:37:24 PM
I think Mozart's music is a little too delicate and pristine to come across as erotic. Zemlinsky would get my vote.
You haven't been seen in these parts recently, Mr. Bulldog!
Welcome back! :)
On the other forum someone nominated a Mozart church sonata for most erotic work!! ;D ;D :D
Quote from: Bulldog on June 14, 2011, 01:37:24 PM
I think Mozart's music is a little too delicate and pristine to come across as erotic. Zemlinsky would get my vote.
Welcome back, Don. :)
But, dear Bulldog of mine: you disappoint me. :'(
Eroticism can't be delicate or pristine?
Or at least 'a little' .... ?
Anyway, I prefer 18th century
Erotica by far.
Concerning Wolfie: check out f.i. his Da Ponte opera's. Not to mention the many melting Andantes et al. They really inspire me to uhhh .... :P
Erwin Schulhoff's Sonata Erotica. Google it or YouTube it. There is nothing more erotic than that.
That's a difficult one! I used to think Bax's 'Winter Legends' was pretty temptestuos and sexually charged for a British work of it's kind. Bax sounds as if he's going off his trolley at times,almost as if he's getting so worked up he's on the verge of........ ahem...'whacking off!' I know he had various women in his life,including Harriet Cohen,and I get the feeling he's thinking more about her than any 'tales of the North',or maybe even that female he was supposed to have pursued to Russia? On the other hand,I was in my 20's when I was listening to the piece & I had a 'thing' for some girl & the fact that I had no hope of going out with her,and anyway her dad was the local hard man.and probably would have ripped my arms,legs and head off,(but hopefully not 'that' bit) probably had something to do with the effect the music had on me.
I still like the piece,but don't play it as much as I used to. I know one of the forum users here associates it with woolly mammoths,which I hasten to add,I was NOT thinking about!!!!!
Quote from: Marc on June 14, 2011, 01:47:05 PM
But, dear Bulldog of mine: you disappoint me. :'(
Eroticism can't be delicate or pristine?
Not when it's done right :D ;)
Sarge
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 14, 2011, 01:43:11 PM
You haven't been seen in these parts recently, Mr. Bulldog!
Quote from: Marc on June 14, 2011, 01:47:05 PM
Welcome back, Don. :)
A rare canine sighting...excellent... Hope to see more of you.
Sarge
What about Szymanowski or Ravel or Berg? I can just hear two people doing the deed behind a work by one of these composers. :D
Quote from: mikkeljs on June 14, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
I just came to think of this. Can anyone name a composer who wrote more erotic music than that of Scriabin, or equal to Scriabin?
Szymanowski. And certainly a better composer than Scriabin.
Quote from: Daverz on June 14, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
Szymanowski. And certainly a better composer than Scriabin.
Only in your dreams. ;)
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 14, 2011, 01:43:11 PM
You haven't been seen in these parts recently, Mr. Bulldog!
Good to be back. I took a vacation from the computer - just shut in down and waited a few weeks. When I came back, I had over 200 e-mails, all of them garbage.
The literal correct answer is the Schulhoff posted above. Musically speaking first place MUST surely go to Janacek's Diary of one Who Disappeared, and not merely because of its 'Erotic Interlude' for piano solo (in many ways the vocal parts are much more sensuously charged). For pure musical mimesis, John Adams Harmonium, the last movement, wins every time, though there are 'descriptions' of 'the act' in Strauss and Walton which are contenders
;D
Try Schreker's operas Die Gezeichneten (1918) or Der Schatzgraber (1920) - the erotically charged Prelude to a Drama (based on the former) and the Symphonic Interlude from the latter are both available on a great disc from Chandos -
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What about the Rite of Spring? I'm not sure if that has been mentioned yet, but I've met various people who use it as great, um, doing the deed music.
Or slap on a bit of Blossom Dearie!
NB: Sex to 'The Rite of Spring'? Ouch!!!! What about d***g it to 'Mars' (The Planets)?
Or a 'Gothic Symphony' marathon?
Quote from: lescamil on June 15, 2011, 12:16:40 AM
What about the Rite of Spring? I'm not sure if that has been mentioned yet, but I've met various people who use it as great, um, doing the deed music.
Dear God, imagine the bruises!
I thought that people who enjoyed musical stimulation whilst doing the nasty tended to go for Ravel's
Bolero; a slow recording, presumably. I don't think too many people could keep their thrusts in sync with, say, Munch/BSO.
Quote from: cilgwyn on June 15, 2011, 02:59:34 AM
Or a 'Gothic Symphony' marathon?
Why not go the whole hog and bonk your way through
Tristan und Isolde? "OK, darling, we're going to need a triple dose of Viagra and a hell of a lot of lube."
Quote from: MDL on June 15, 2011, 03:47:43 AM
I thought that people who enjoyed musical stimulation whilst doing the nasty tended to go for Ravel's Bolero; a slow recording, presumably. I don't think too many people could keep their thrusts in sync with, say, Munch/BSO.
Sean would follow this line of thought, with his constant equating of the music of Philip Glass with sex and such...
Faugh! He certainly would.
The Rite of Spring followed by Plaster of Paris,
Quote from: MDL on June 15, 2011, 03:47:43 AM
I don't think too many people could keep their thrusts in sync with, say, Munch/BSO.
The way I'm feeling I would need someone like Celibidache conducting! :D
Quote from: DavidW on June 15, 2011, 04:22:32 AM
The way I'm feeling I would need someone like Celibidache conducting! :D
Same here, although I don't think I could manage 18 minutes. Prod me awake when the trombone kicks in.
I don't play Scriabin as much as I used to. I confess to being somewhat blown away by him in my teens but not for his eroticism, if that's what it is. I've always felt his music to be other-worldly, which is perhaps the opposite extreme. Maybe this is an occasion where poles meet. Anyway, I do see what you mean.
The most erotic piece of piano music in my collection is Bonis' 'Narcisse' and there's always the sinuous, snaky, oriental finale to her flute sonata, but then she was a woman with a dark secret.
Next time I have a b**** it's definately 'Winter Legends' for me. Although,I'll miss out on the first movement. By the time we get to that colossal climax (Boom! Boom!) in the third movement where Bax goes completely off his rocker and the orchestras roaring away at full throttle we'll be...(CENSORED!)......
Bax was bloomin' sex mad,he was (Winter Legends,my foot,more like 'Steamy Legends!).
There should be a warning sticker on the front!
Several of Maria de Alvear's works have rather erotic titles: Sexo, Sexo compacto, Vagina, Sexo puro, Erotica...
Quote from: lescamil on June 15, 2011, 12:16:40 AM
What about the Rite of Spring? I'm not sure if that has been mentioned yet, but I've met various people who use it as great, um, doing the deed music.
I heard an interview (probably youtube) where some lady said it was "sexy." I think only women would find it that way, because they just want to be dominated.
I don't really hear any music as "erotic." Scriabin comes the closest, but I think more of wizardry, demon summoning, dark stuff, etc. with him. With Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, that comes pretty close. However, it's more like an expression of being in love, or having a dream of a girl or something.
Scriabin's Piano Sonata No. 4 is perhaps a good choice for an erotic piece. I read that the first movement is a musical depiction of foreplay and that the second movement is the deed itself, complete with an explosive climax at the end.
http://www.youtube.com/v/VJpowNuSXMk
Scriabin may be erotic, but Saint-Saëns is hardcore ;D
I nominate Beethoven's "Erotica" Symphony no. 3. :-*
Frankly, none of this stuff gives me the horn. [/Derek & Clive]
Quote from: Greg on June 15, 2011, 01:48:21 PM
I heard an interview (probably youtube) where some lady said it was "sexy." I think only women would find it that way, because they just want to be dominated.
Have you been on an Otto Weininger dose lately? ;D
On topic: if "erotic" means "sexually arousing" then no music whatsoever does the trick for me, least of all Scriabin (or Wagner, for that matter). ;D
Quote from: Greg on June 15, 2011, 01:48:21 PM
I think only women would find it that way, because they just want to be dominated.
Speaketh Don Greg-ovanni. :D
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;D ;D
Very much a subjective thread
For me Bergs Lyric Suite never fails to thrill
And would also nominate Schoenbergs Gurrelieder and perhaps Transfigured Night.........
Quote from: Greg on June 15, 2011, 01:48:21 PM
I think only women would find it that way, because they just want to be dominated.
I'd bring this up as a topic for discussion in the office but I don't fancy coming home with a black eye.
No,it's definately 'Steamy Legends' by Tina Bax,for me!
Time to address the query of the subject header:QuoteIs there anything more erotic than Scriabin?
I sincerely hope so.
My wife?
Quote from: Greg on June 15, 2011, 01:48:21 PM
I think only women would find it that way, because they just want to be dominated.
Curious really because of the sex reversal built into the scenario. From the perspective of real history (or pre-history if you prefer) it was a young male who was sacrificed.
Quote from: Ten thumbs on June 17, 2011, 08:21:48 AM
Curious really because of the sex reversal built into the scenario. From the perspective of real history (or pre-history if you prefer) it was a young male who was sacrificed.
I have no idea what you are talking about and probably don't want to know.
Choral writing towards the end of Daphnis: it explicitly expresses an orgasm.
Mike
And let's not forget the infamous passage in the Adagio of R.Strauss's Symphonia Domestica.