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Title: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Parsifal on October 11, 2013, 09:52:25 AM
We don't have enough polls, so here goes.

Favorite composer by manner of death:

Auto-erotic asphyxiation
Bicycle accident
Blood poisoning due to impalment of foot.
Burned by German Soldiers
Cancer
Drowned
Failed Brain Surgury
Gunshot wound
Heart Failure
Poisoning
Saber wound
Stabbed (knife)
Stroke
Suicide (drinking water contaminated with cholera)
Suicide (other)
Syphilis
Typhoid Fever
Undetermined natural causes
Other (specify)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: springrite on October 11, 2013, 10:01:39 AM

Bicycle accident----------Chausson

Gunshot wound-------Webern

Suicide (drinking water contaminated with cholera)------Tchaikovsky

Suicide (other)------------Rott

Syphilis---------Schubert

Other (specify)---Crushed! (legends have it)--------Alkan
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 11, 2013, 10:08:28 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 11, 2013, 09:52:25 AM
We don't have enough polls, so here goes.

Favorite composer by manner of death:

Auto-erotic asphyxiation
Bicycle accident
Blood poisoning due to impalment of foot.
Burned by German Soldiers
Cancer
Drowned
Failed Brain Surgury
Gunshot wound
Heart Failure
Poisoning
Saber wound
Stabbed (knife)
Stroke
Suicide (drinking water contaminated with cholera)
Suicide (other)
Syphilis
Typhoid Fever
Undetermined natural causes
Other (specify)

Damn, I just can't choose!  I like Lully the best in this one, I think that staff beating would have driven me crazy, and so good riddance to bad rubbish. But Chausson and the bicycle wreck is just so cool. I can't choose, I swear.

Damn, I hope the auto-erotic asphyxiation isn't our friend Snipper. He's been known to compose too.... :-\

8)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: springrite on October 11, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: springrite on October 11, 2013, 10:01:39 AM
Bicycle accident----------Chausson

Gunshot wound-------Webern

Suicide (drinking water contaminated with cholera)------Tchaikovsky

Suicide (other)------------Rott

Syphilis---------Schubert

Other (specify)---Crushed! (legends have it)--------Alkan

My winner, though likely not true, if Alkan

Among the confirmed ones, Chausson it is!
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: kishnevi on October 11, 2013, 01:12:14 PM
Magnard was killed by German soldiers.
Was it Albeniz who was drowned with his wife when their ship was torpedoed by a U Boat?

I was reading just the other day of a musical figure c. 1900 who was killed at the age of 72 when he fell getting off a bus and hit his head, but don't recall who it was--not even if it was a composer.  Anyone have an idea who the victim was?
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Brian on October 11, 2013, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on October 11, 2013, 01:12:14 PM
Was it Albeniz who was drowned with his wife when their ship was torpedoed by a U Boat?
Sounds like how Granados went. Granados got torpedoed; didn't know his wife was there.

EDIT: Albeniz died of a kidney problem at age 48.
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: kishnevi on October 11, 2013, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Brian on October 11, 2013, 01:13:24 PM
Sounds like how Granados went. Granados got torpedoed; didn't know his wife was there.

EDIT: Albeniz died of a kidney problem at age 48.

Thank you.  I knew it was one of the Spanish composers....IIRC,  he might have survived,  but he tried to save his wife, and instead both drowned.

Now, can anyone point out the 72 year old who fell on his head?
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Szykneij on October 12, 2013, 04:23:45 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on October 11, 2013, 01:20:32 PM
Thank you.  I knew it was one of the Spanish composers....IIRC,  he might have survived,  but he tried to save his wife, and instead both drowned.

Now, can anyone point out the 72 year old who fell on his head?

Well. this guy fits the description, but I don't think he achieved the level of fame to be the person you're thinking of.   ???

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/tellercounty/news/butch-crouch-popular-woodland-park-musician-dies/article_241fc48a-69bf-5093-8c99-ce61bb021b49.html?mode=story (http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/tellercounty/news/butch-crouch-popular-woodland-park-musician-dies/article_241fc48a-69bf-5093-8c99-ce61bb021b49.html?mode=story)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: listener on October 12, 2013, 04:35:49 AM
SCHOBERT - poisonous mushrooms
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Brahmsian on October 12, 2013, 04:44:35 AM
Murdered by another composer:

Mozart, at the hands of Salieri!  :D :laugh: ;)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: not edward on October 12, 2013, 06:49:27 AM
Quote from: ChamberNut on October 12, 2013, 04:44:35 AM
Murdered by another composer:

Mozart, at the hands of Salieri!  :D :laugh: ;)
Alternatively, how about "stabbed to death and partially dismembered by a prostitute?"

(Claude Vivier, who was described by Ligeti as the finest French composer of his generation, despite the fact that he was from Montreal.)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: vandermolen on October 12, 2013, 11:58:59 AM
Chauson: at the bottom of a steep hill on a bicycle

Alkan: buried under his manuscripts when cupboard fell on top of him.

My favourite of all: Aretino (Writer at the time of Italian Renaissance): died laughing at an indecent joke.
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: DaveF on October 12, 2013, 12:40:33 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 11, 2013, 09:52:25 AM
Auto-erotic asphyxiation

That was Frantisek Koczwara, or Kotzwara (why do I know this??), who was famous for that and precisely nothing else.  The Wikipedia article is worth a read for the level of detail it supplies.  Effortlessly beats anyone else, IMHO.

Quote from: Scarpia on October 11, 2013, 09:52:25 AM
Drowned

Robert Parsons - another favourite not because I have anything against Parsons, who was quite a decent composer, but because his death created a vacancy in the Chapel Royal that was filled by Byrd.

Quote from: Scarpia on October 11, 2013, 09:52:25 AM
Cancer

And poor Debussy's end (terrible pun not intended) would be impossible to guess from those three luminous final chamber works.  Brings tears to the eyes in all sorts of ways.

DF
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Todd on October 12, 2013, 12:49:34 PM
Lully.  Definitely.  Frantisek Koczwara is but a breath away, though.
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Gurn Blanston on October 12, 2013, 01:03:57 PM
Quote from: Todd on October 12, 2013, 12:49:34 PM
Lully.  Definitely.  Frantisek Koczwara is but a breath away, though.

We are agreed yet again, Todd. Lully's tale has always provided an inner chortle on a gloomy day. Koczwara  is new to me, glad he has been identified now though. I was curious ab out who did the deed, so to speak. Isn't it like eating fugu sashimi though? You takes your chances.  >:D

8)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 12, 2013, 01:07:27 PM
Langgaard - Kryptonite


(http://gregscottmoeller.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/img_3620.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: jochanaan on October 14, 2013, 02:56:51 PM
Quote from: springrite on October 11, 2013, 10:01:39 AM
...Other (specify)---Crushed! (legends have it)--------Alkan
By the weight of his own music? :laugh:

Seriously, I'd rather celebrate composers' lives.  Although Lully's death is a moral lesson on the benefits of conducting only with one's hands. ;)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: North Star on October 14, 2013, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: jochanaan on October 14, 2013, 02:56:51 PM
By the weight of his own music? :laugh:

Seriously, I'd rather celebrate composers' lives.  Although Lully's death is a moral lesson on the benefits of conducting only with one's hands. ;)
Hear hear! It's only a matter of time when someone will create that topic..  ::)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: jochanaan on October 14, 2013, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: North Star on October 14, 2013, 02:59:19 PM
Hear hear! It's only a matter of time when someone will create that topic..  ::)
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22364.0.html (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22364.0.html) :)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: marvinbrown on October 16, 2013, 01:59:37 AM


  Wagner ---> Heart Attack (Heart Failure). 

  If only they had Virgin Active, a low Saturated fat/Cholesterol diet back in the 19th Century maybe, just maybe we could have had one more music drama past Parsifal.

  marvin
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Karl Henning on October 16, 2013, 04:38:34 AM
Wagner's would be my favorite death, what manner soever (j/k)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: DaveF on October 16, 2013, 04:50:42 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 11, 2013, 09:52:25 AM
Failed Brain Surgery

Have we got that one yet?  Gibbons was brain haemorrhage, diagnosed by opening up his skull afterwards, but that hardly counts.

Quote from: vandermolen on October 12, 2013, 11:58:59 AM
Alkan: buried under his manuscripts when cupboard fell on top of him.

A pity he wasn't one of those less prolific French composers - Duparc, Duruflé or Barraqué could have effortlessly batted away the few flimsy sheets containing their complete works, had they fallen on them.

What about Purcell - forgetting his keys?  (There's a dreadful pun to do with his weird harmony waiting there to be explored.)

DF
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: mahler10th on October 16, 2013, 04:51:49 AM
Quote from: springrite on October 11, 2013, 10:01:39 AM
Bicycle accident----------Chausson
Gunshot wound-------Webern
Suicide (drinking water contaminated with cholera)------Tchaikovsky
Suicide (other)------------Rott
Syphilis---------Schubert
Other (specify)---Crushed! (legends have it)--------Alkan

There is no record of Hans Rott committing suicide.   :'( :'( :'(

Thread Duty:

Quote
From Wjkki:
In 1914, at the beginning of World War I, Magnard sent his wife and two daughters to a safe hiding place while he stayed behind to guard the estate of Manoir de Fontaines at Baron, Oise. When German soldiers trespassed, he fired at them, killing one of them, and they fired back and set the house on fire. It is believed that Magnard died in the fire, but his body could not be identified in the remains.
Wow.  Died in a shootout.  Protecting the estate.  Outnumbered.  The death of a Hero.
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Karl Henning on October 16, 2013, 04:52:24 AM
Quote from: DaveF on October 16, 2013, 04:50:42 AM
Have we got that one yet?  Gibbons was brain haemorrhage, diagnosed by opening up his skull afterwards, but that hardly counts.

Ah, trepanning! Those were the days!
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Parsifal on October 16, 2013, 05:18:15 AM
Quote from: DaveF on October 16, 2013, 04:50:42 AM
Have we got that one yet?  Gibbons was brain haemorrhage, diagnosed by opening up his skull afterwards, but that hardly counts.

My favorite composer to die of failed brain surgery is Ravel.
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: DaveF on October 16, 2013, 06:40:42 AM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 16, 2013, 05:18:15 AM
My favorite composer to die of failed brain surgery is Ravel.

Now I think I'm just beginning to understand the point of the thread, fun though it's been nevertheless... you wanted our favourite composers who have died in each of these ways (duh).  Right - my favourite composer to have died from having a sex worker tie his testicles to a doorknob is... no, I don't want to rush into this - can I come back to you?

DF
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: jochanaan on October 16, 2013, 11:20:49 AM
Quote from: DaveF on October 16, 2013, 04:50:42 AM
...What about Purcell - forgetting his keys?  (There's a dreadful pun to do with his weird harmony waiting there to be explored.)
I thought that was Gesualdo--or Schoenberg. ;D
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: North Star on October 16, 2013, 11:25:03 AM
Amazing, Scriabin hasn't been mentioned here! Septicemia contracted from an infected boil on his lip or shaving cut.
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Karl Henning on October 16, 2013, 12:02:49 PM
You see how unnecessary it is to shave!
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Brahmsian on October 16, 2013, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 16, 2013, 12:02:49 PM
You see how unnecessary it is to shave!

:laugh: 

Well....Taneyev 'caught a cold/flu' after attending Scriabin's funeral and died soon after.  I wonder if the Septicemia spread.  ???
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: North Star on October 16, 2013, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on October 16, 2013, 12:02:49 PM
You see how unnecessary it is to shave!
And perilous, even.
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Parsifal on October 16, 2013, 12:49:43 PM
Quote from: North Star on October 16, 2013, 12:47:48 PM
And perilous, even.

And when mis-use of antibiotics has rendered them completely ineffective due to the rise of drug-resistant strains, it will once again be perilous to shave.  :(
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: North Star on October 16, 2013, 12:55:57 PM
Quote from: Scarpia on October 16, 2013, 12:49:43 PM
And when mis-use of antibiotics has rendered them completely ineffective due to the rise of drug-resistant strains, it will once again be perilous to shave.  :(
Aww, don't be sad.  8)

(http://www.mfiles.co.uk/composers/johannes-brahms-photo-dark-hair-white-beard.jpg)
(though I suppose one needs more than just the beard in order to write that music..)
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Dax on October 16, 2013, 07:26:24 PM
Cardew - hit and run: or, as some suspect, political assassination.
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Karl Henning on October 17, 2013, 03:26:48 AM
Support the Arts! Grow a Beard!
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Parsifal on October 17, 2013, 06:32:12 AM
Quote from: sanantonio on October 17, 2013, 06:22:14 AM
File this under "Other":

Silvestre Revueltas literally composed himself to death.   In the last years of his life, worked like a horse, and died of exhaustion.

In a harness, pulling a cart full of his manuscripts?
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: aquablob on October 17, 2013, 06:36:22 AM
James.

Reese.

Europe.

:(
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: Mirror Image on October 17, 2013, 06:53:47 AM
Revueltas actually died of pneumonia, not exhaustion. Also, being a hardcore alcoholic didn't help him either.
Title: Re: Favorite composer by manner of death
Post by: North Star on October 17, 2013, 08:18:04 AM
Schönberg's triskaidekaphobic death at the age of 76, on July 13th, 1950, is worth a mention, surely.