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The Back Room => The Diner => Topic started by: Karl Henning on November 21, 2013, 05:21:18 AM

Title: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Karl Henning on November 21, 2013, 05:21:18 AM
Music in my case, obviously. But I am interested in others' stories.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 05:27:12 AM
Besides eating and breathing, these are the top five: thinking, listening to music, writing poetry, reading, raising my son (not necessarily in this order).
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: springrite on November 21, 2013, 05:39:15 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on November 21, 2013, 05:21:18 AM
Music in my case, obviously. But I am interested in others' stories.

From the other thread:
"I know I used to say psychology. But I should revise. I am a psychologist. I am known or even famous for it. But I do not really make a living with it since I do most of my psychological work for free, such as now helping the victims of the air crash. I actually make a living by helping businesses. For that I get paid. That includes training, business consulting, executive coaching, etc. "

I would say more than half of my work are in the former category. I do it because it is who I am and I can not walk away from it. Besides, where I am, other people simply do not do it or do not have the expertise.

Other things I do include: poetry, music... wait, another non-paying gig that I do dozens of times a year--parenting training!

But I do need to make some money. I have hardly made a penny and spent lots of my own money in the past four months. So in Jan. I will be doing some training on quality and communication for a multinational corporation, in China and Singapore. I help multinational companies solve cross culture issues and make the company gel, and use some psychology in employee or management consulting/assistance. I hope to set up a CEO coaching group next year, which will pay handsomely. But that is very difficult to set up. I make a couple of effective appearances on two very important CEO conferences. Let's see how it goes next year.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Karl Henning on November 21, 2013, 05:40:48 AM
Aye, Paul, your post prompted me to set this one rolling.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Mirror Image on November 21, 2013, 06:38:39 AM
Besides listening to music, I must always try to make time for the guitar, which I've been playing for 21 years. I also must make time to watch my favorite 90s sitcoms, films, and to continue to search for a woman I'm compatible with (which is a full-time job within itself).
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 07:23:29 AM
I get paid for being a web developer in a "non-banking financial company".

When I am not at work (and sometime even at work) I spend my time trying to keep current in all things related to web development and programming in general (which is an excercise in futility), listening to music, watching opera and ballet, cooking (and eating), playing and reading about videogames, playing pinball, and reading tons of self-help literature while consistently failing to apply the knowledge.

Edit: Oh, I forgot to mention I pose as an actor in a theater company.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Karl Henning on November 21, 2013, 07:29:18 AM
Are you presently in a production? Say on!
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 07:34:09 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on November 21, 2013, 07:29:18 AM
Are you presently in a production? Say on!

Indeed, I am. We have a performance this Saturday.

I am the one seated on the sofa:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/531553/00604d796e93d8792eaa1a924.jpeg)
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: TheGSMoeller on November 21, 2013, 07:48:22 AM
Quote from: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 07:34:09 AM
Indeed, I am. We have a performance this Saturday.

I am the one seated on the sofa:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/531553/00604d796e93d8792eaa1a924.jpeg)

I'm slightly disappointed you don't look anything like your avatar.   ;D

Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 08:08:24 AM
Quote from: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 07:34:09 AM
Indeed, I am. We have a performance this Saturday.

I am the one seated on the sofa:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/531553/00604d796e93d8792eaa1a924.jpeg)

Waiting for Godot?
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 08:14:49 AM
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on November 21, 2013, 07:48:22 AM
I'm slightly disappointed you don't look anything like your avatar.   ;D

:D ;D

Quote from: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 08:08:24 AM
Waiting for Godot?

Not really. It is a mystery play/comedy.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 08:14:49 AM
Not really. It is a mystery play/comedy.

Were you the detective, or the murderer?  :D
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: The new erato on November 21, 2013, 08:28:40 AM
Disappointed......... It should have been "The Sofa" by Maconchy.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 08:32:44 AM
Quote from: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 08:24:12 AM
Were you the detective, or the murderer?  :D

I am an artist/hobo/witness.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 08:44:53 AM
Quote from: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 08:32:44 AM
I am an artist/hobo/witness.

What's a hobo?
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 08:44:53 AM
What's a hobo?

Hobo. (https://www.google.cz/search?q=hobo&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=JkmOUoG5MtDNsgbLoIEo&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1858&bih=946)
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 09:04:34 AM
Quote from: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 08:58:00 AM
Hobo. (https://www.google.cz/search?q=hobo&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=JkmOUoG5MtDNsgbLoIEo&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1858&bih=946)

Thanks.

I see there are hobos and hobos. Pick your favorite.  :D

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Chicago_Hobo.jpg)

(http://cdn.crushable.com/files/2012/10/Alexia-Echevarria-Real-Housewives-of-Miami-son-punch-hobo-nuts-640x963.jpg)
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 09:06:42 AM
Quote from: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 09:04:34 AM
(http://cdn.crushable.com/files/2012/10/Alexia-Echevarria-Real-Housewives-of-Miami-son-punch-hobo-nuts-640x963.jpg)

That is a hoe, not a hobo.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 09:08:04 AM
Quote from: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 09:06:42 AM
That is a hoe, not a hobo.

;D  :D
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Karl Henning on November 21, 2013, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 07:34:09 AM
Indeed, I am. We have a performance this Saturday.

I am the one seated on the sofa:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/531553/00604d796e93d8792eaa1a924.jpeg)

Far too well dressed to be a hobo! ;)
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on November 21, 2013, 09:09:22 AM
Far too well dressed to be a hobo! ;)

He was wearing his Sunday clothes.  :)
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 09:19:06 AM
Quote from: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 09:11:50 AM
He was wearing his Sunday clothes.  :)

Even a hobo is entitled to be stylish.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Cato on November 21, 2013, 09:27:50 AM
Quote from: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 09:19:06 AM
Even a hobo is entitled to be stylish.

As in Red Skelton's character Freddie the Freeloader

(http://wickershamsconscience.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/freddie.jpg)

Since age 7 I have been writing stories: most recently I finished a 2-volume tragicomic epic following the lives of 9 characters born after World War II in a lower-middle-class Catholic neighborhood.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 09:32:14 AM
Quote from: Cato on November 21, 2013, 09:27:50 AM
Since age 7 I have been writing stories: most recently I finished a 2-volume tragicomic epic following the lives of 9 characters born after World War II in a lower-middle-class Catholic neighborhood.

Wow! That's definitely something I would be interested in reading.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Cato on November 21, 2013, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 09:32:14 AM
Wow! That's definitely something I would be interested in reading.

Heh heh!  Be careful!  Are you sure you want to embark on such a path?!   :D

Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Florestan on November 21, 2013, 09:43:20 AM
Quote from: Cato on November 21, 2013, 09:35:14 AM
Heh heh!  Be careful!  Are you sure you want to embark on such a path?!   :D

Absolutely.  :D
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: Karl Henning on November 21, 2013, 09:50:00 AM
If you have a Nook app on a device you like reading from, an epub file is available.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: kishnevi on November 21, 2013, 06:50:56 PM
Quote from: Fafner on November 21, 2013, 07:23:29 AM

Edit: Oh, I forgot to mention I pose as an actor in a theater company.

Well, on the theory that the basic component of acting is posing,  you are an actor.  Or at least an actor acting the part of an actor.
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: drogulus on November 21, 2013, 08:57:27 PM

     Pay rent, buy food, eat it, go on ebay to find a 12" speaker suitable for guitar and bass, look for a speaker cabinet suitable for the speaker, do laundry, read a book, download season 3 of The Wire, look for stocks to buy, plan a vacation.....
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: mn dave on November 22, 2013, 08:15:56 AM
Wait for death.  ;D
Title: Re: The things you do, which do not earn your living, but which you must do
Post by: ibanezmonster on November 22, 2013, 08:21:37 AM
Too much...

composing,
guitar,
learning other instruments, which I don't get to do because I don't have time for them,
learning Japanese while neglecting to learn the dozen languages that I don't have time for,
video games,
anime,
learning how to draw (which I'll try to start next year)...


With 50+ hours a week with work and school, I'm basically dividing up my hobbies to focus on one thing at a time.
I'll probably be playing Final Fantasy 11 for a couple more months to get what I want out of it (even though it's essentially a game with no end).
Then, I'll be studying additional computer programming stuff for a few months.
Then, I'll go back to studying Japanese while simultaneously learning how to draw.

That's the current plan.