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Moravec (Nonesuch)
Moravec
Moravec.
Arrau.
Moravec.
Moravec.
Moravec 5
Arrau 2 (I'm with Sammy)
Quote from: Mn Dave on June 11, 2014, 05:02:57 PM
Arrau 2 (I'm with Sammy)
I like Arrau and Moravec about the same. Virtual tie. But sticking with my vote.
Dave - NOW, Moravec has been my favorite for years - BUT don't count my vote yet - a more recent purchase has been Earl Wild below (a goofy pic but a wonderful performance) - since Ivan has already pulled away in this poll, please add Wild to the list just for interest - Dave :)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HXANGP53L.jpg)
Yokoyama, Sony (Haven't heard his new set)
Moravec 5
Arrau 2 (I'm with Sammy)
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Ahem.
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Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on June 11, 2014, 05:39:08 PM
Ahem.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51os0atORlL._SY300__PJautoripBadge,BottomRight,4,-40_OU11__.jpg)
Moravec 5
Arrau 2 (I'm with Sammy)
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Rubinstein ('60s) 1
Moravec
Moravec 6
Arrau 2 (I'm with Sammy)
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Rubinstein ('60s) 1
Quote from: Ken B on June 11, 2014, 05:45:54 PM
You sick bastard!
:) :laugh:
Yes, it takes one to know one, right?
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on June 11, 2014, 05:39:08 PM
Ahem.
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What he said.
Quote from: NJ Joe on June 11, 2014, 05:49:38 PM
What he said.
Moravec 6
Rubinstein ('60s) 2
Arrau 2
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Better than the mono Rubinstein, eh?
I want to at least mention Vasary in passing before voting for Arrau.
Quote from: Ken B on June 11, 2014, 05:56:35 PM
I want to at least mention Vasary in passing before voting for Arrau.
Moravec 6
Arrau 3
Rubinstein ('60s) 2
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
No doubt Arrau.
Moravec 6
Arrau 4
Rubinstein ('60s) 2
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Kimi likes the Pires because it is more romantic (less Nocturnal?) with bigger dynamic (and tempo) contrasts.
Maria Tipo.
Arrau
But I definitely need Rubinstein along ... and Samson François probably even more so!
Guess I ought to check out Moravec, haven't heard a single note of his ... Pires is on the way (couldn't make up my mind, so I eventually ordered both the Erato and DG boxes - though I'd surely wish the later contained the chamber music as well).
Arrau
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on June 11, 2014, 05:39:08 PM
Ahem.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51os0atORlL._SY300__PJautoripBadge,BottomRight,4,-40_OU11__.jpg)
One more vote here for this Rubinstein set.
Moravec 6
Arrau 6
Rubinstein ('60s) 3
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on June 11, 2014, 05:39:08 PM
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I vote for
Rubinstein too, no contest.
Moravec 6
Arrau 6
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Dino Ciani
Quote from: Mandryka on June 12, 2014, 08:51:01 AM
Dino Ciani
Moravec 6
Arrau 6
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Moravec or Wild.
Moravec I say.
Moravec 7
Arrau 6
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Moravec with Rubinstein 60s a close second
Moravec 8
Arrau 6
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Arrau
Quote from: Jay F on June 12, 2014, 02:22:29 PM
Arrau
Moravec 8
Arrau 7
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
I'll vote for Tamás Vásáry. Admittedly, this is partly a sympathy vote as I believe he should be represented here. His is one of the most poetic readings on record - granted, the recording leaves much to be desired, but I think it's The One performance that Frédéric himself would give the nod to.
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/744cff0555f70c83065bfd74206a407b/tumblr_mht71fMVVz1qj3uxyo1_500.jpg)
Arrau
We have a new contender and it's tied up at the top.
Moravec 8
Arrau 8
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Vásáry 1
Quote from: Mn Dave on June 12, 2014, 05:47:09 PM
We have a new contender and it's tied up at the top.
Moravec 8
Arrau 8
(But that's possibly a bit misleading, because here, Moravec must take precedence, just as air must take precedence over water.)
Quote from: Todd on June 12, 2014, 05:50:45 PM
(But that's possibly a bit misleading, because here, Moravec must take precedence, just as air must take precedence over water.)
You didn't even vote for him. :)
Quote from: Mn Dave on June 12, 2014, 05:53:52 PM
You didn't even vote for him. :)
True, but that doesn't make my post any less accurate.
Quote from: Todd on June 12, 2014, 05:50:45 PM
(But that's possibly a bit misleading, because here, Moravec must take precedence, just as air must take precedence over water.)
Why should Moravec take precedence? And why isn't putting him first in the list giving him precedence?
I think Moravec excels in the Ballades, but in the Nocturnes Arrau is in a league of his own.
Quote from: Mn Dave on June 11, 2014, 05:37:40 PM
Moravec 5
Arrau 2 (I'm with Sammy)
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Which sets do you have, Dave?
Quote from: ZauberdrachenNr.7 on June 12, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
I'll vote for Tamás Vásáry. Admittedly, this is partly a sympathy vote as I believe he should be represented here. His is one of the most poetic readings on record - granted, the recording leaves much to be desired, but I think it's The One performance that Frédéric himself would give the nod to.
Danke. I called him out but had to vote Arrau. But he is splendid in these.
I voted for Moravec, but Arrau is a very close second for me.
Quote from: George on June 12, 2014, 07:10:05 PM
Which sets do you have, Dave?
The top two. And all the Rubinstein.
Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).
Quote from: Holden on June 13, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).
Arrau is glorious. So say we all.
Quote from: Holden on June 13, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).
Absurd.
Quote from: Holden on June 13, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).
Fussy but too much rubato? Is that like tall but lacking in height?
Arrau's rubato doesn't seem at all unnatural to me, on the contrary. I don't think the studio set shows him at his best, there's a live nocturne on an Ermitage CD which is tremendous.
As far as Moravec's studio set is concerned, it's gorgeously conceived, immaculately executed and boring as fuck. Like Arrau he does better in the live recordings, the ones from Brussels.
Quote from: Holden on June 13, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).
I agree. Arrau's approach to Nocturnes is over-emphatic and tiresome.
What do you guys mean by "fussy"? Looking up the word in dictionaries doesn't really help much. If "fussy" is used as over-exact, too careful, then tell me how "too much rubato" goes together with that? Not sure what other possible meanings of "fussy" would imply with regard to Arrau's interpretation of Chopin's Nocturnes ... fancy? complicated? finicky? scrupulous? Please enlighten me :)
Quote from: king ubu on June 16, 2014, 03:50:10 AM
What do you guys mean by "fussy"? Looking up the word in dictionaries doesn't really help much. If "fussy" is used as over-exact, too careful, then tell me how "too much rubato" goes together with that? Not sure what other possible meanings of "fussy" would imply with regard to Arrau's interpretation of Chopin's Nocturnes ... fancy? complicated? finicky? scrupulous? Please enlighten me :)
Can't speak for others, for me fussy is such attention to detail which disrupts overall architecture and especially flow.
As for favorite nocturnes cycle definitely Rubinstein, but one of the earlier sets , let's say '49/50 one.
Quote from: Drasko on June 16, 2014, 03:57:38 AM
Can't speak for others, for me fussy is such attention to detail which disrupts overall architecture and especially flow.
As for favorite nocturnes cycle definitely Rubinstein, but one of the earlier sets , let's say '49/50 one.
Good to see you again, Drasko :)
Sarge
Quote from: Drasko on June 16, 2014, 03:57:38 AM
Can't speak for others, for me fussy is such attention to detail which disrupts overall architecture and especially flow.
As for favorite nocturnes cycle definitely Rubinstein, but one of the earlier sets , let's say '49/50 one.
Moravec 8
Arrau 8
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Rubinstein '49/50 1
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Vásáry 1
Dave, put me down for the fussy dude 8)
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 16, 2014, 06:39:48 AM
Dave, put me down for the fussy dude 8)
Sarge
Yesss...
Arrau 9
Moravec 8
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Rubinstein '49/50 1
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Vásáry 1
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 16, 2014, 06:39:48 AM
Dave, put me down for the fussy dude 8)
Sarge
My man! $:)
Quote from: Drasko on June 16, 2014, 03:57:38 AM
Can't speak for others, for me fussy is such attention to detail which disrupts overall architecture and especially flow.
As for favorite nocturnes cycle definitely Rubinstein, but one of the earlier sets , let's say '49/50 one.
Which is what I meant.
Ciao Milos ! Great to have you around !!
My pick is probably Moravec.
Thanks for the explanations of what "fussy" is supposed to mean. I've stumbled over it here and there, but didn't really understand what it meant applied to classical music/interpretation etc.
There was defintely quite a lot of fuss about the term "fussy" in relation of Arrau's recording. But all in good spirit, I trust..... :)
Q
Quote from: André on June 16, 2014, 01:12:33 PM
Ciao Milos ! Great to have you around !!
My pick is probably Moravec.
Arrau 9
Moravec 9
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Rubinstein '49/50 1
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Vásáry 1
Michèle Boegner
Quote from: mszczuj on June 16, 2014, 10:41:26 PM
Michèle Boegner
Arrau 9
Moravec 9
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Rubinstein '49/50 1
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Vásáry 1
Boegner 1
Quote from: André on June 16, 2014, 01:12:33 PM
Ciao Milos ! Great to have you around !!
Likewise, my friend! Likewise!!
Quote from: Marc on June 11, 2014, 07:33:33 PM
Maria Tipo.
I think this is a very good suggestion, it made me relisten to what she does and I feel much more open to the style now than I did in the past. Thanks.
Quote from: mszczuj on June 16, 2014, 10:41:26 PM
Michèle Boegner
If only that recording was available these days at a price affordable to a mere mortal.... :(
Moravec.
Quote from: Bogey on June 17, 2014, 12:00:19 PM
Moravec.
Darn it! ;)
Moravec 10
Arrau 9
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Rubinstein '49/50 1
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Vásáry 1
Boegner 1
Quote from: George on June 17, 2014, 12:14:19 PM
Yep. :-[
I think Bogey's account has been hacked! Yeah, that's the ticket...
Quote from: Mn Dave on June 17, 2014, 12:09:23 PM
Darn it! ;)
Moravec 10
Arrau 9
Rubinstein ('60s) 4
Rubinstein '49/50 1
Wild 1
Yokoyama (Sony) 1
Tipo 1
Pires 1
Ciani 1
Vásáry 1
Boegner 1
We have strayed from the true path and our collective judgment is imperiled.
Quote from: Mn Dave on June 17, 2014, 12:18:30 PM
I think Bogey's account has been hacked! Yeah, that's the ticket...
;D
Quote from: Mn Dave on June 17, 2014, 12:18:30 PM
I think Bogey's account has been hacked! Yeah, that's the ticket...
Just wait until this board discovers that you and I are the same person, Dave....and we....errr....I have George on a retainer to post under our pseudonyms.
Quote from: Holden on June 13, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Arrau is too fussy in this music for me to even consider him. As I've said previously I don't like Chopin with an overdose of rubato and that describes the Arrau (and others).
Did Agustin Anievas record many nocturnes? I can see three early ones on spotify but none of the great ones. Another one which comes to mind is Arthur Moreira-Lima. But again, I don't know of he recorded nocturnes.
A few surprises for me. It is lopsided for the top two. No Ohlsson love? No-one for Pollini? So few mentions of Vasary.
Quote from: Ken B on June 21, 2014, 08:15:40 AM
A few surprises for me. It is lopsided for the top two. No Ohlsson love? No-one for Pollini? So few mentions of Vasary.
I quite like both Ohlsson and Pollini, but Moravec and Arrau are my faves.
Quote from: aquariuswb on June 21, 2014, 12:13:25 PM
I quite like both Ohlsson and Pollini, but Moravec and Arrau are my faves.
Thanks for mentioning
Ohlsson - I have the box below and enjoy the overall performance of these works - Dave :)
(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-TpbmVwD/0/O/Chopin%20Ohlsson.jpg)
Quote from: SonicMan46 on June 21, 2014, 05:29:34 PM
Thanks for mentioning Ohlsson - I have the box below and enjoy the overall performance of these works - Dave :)
(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-TpbmVwD/0/O/Chopin%20Ohlsson.jpg)
Me too, an outstanding set.
Quote from: Geo Dude on June 17, 2014, 11:23:34 AM
If only that recording was available these days at a price affordable to a mere mortal.... :(
It turns out that the file sharing community has made this Boegner recording available to mere mortals, and it is a beauty!
Quote from: Ken B on June 21, 2014, 07:11:12 PM
Me too, an outstanding set.
Hi
Ken - still working through that
Ohlsson box - consistently excellent and a good one-stop shopping choice, IMO - Dave :)
Off the beaten path, my current favorites are Maria Tipo, Brigitte Engerer and Thierry de Brunhoff. Tamas Vasary and Sergio Fiorentino are also excellent.
Has anyone listened to Moura Lympany´s cycle? Pretty interesting, too.
Quote from: Florestan on November 11, 2014, 07:26:11 AM
. . . Thierry de Brunhoff . . .
If you could (and I know this is asking a lot) can you say a bit about why? I only know his Schumann, it isn't a favourite, maybe I should listen more attentively.
Quote from: Mandryka on November 16, 2014, 07:03:41 AM
If you could (and I know this is asking a lot) can you say a bit about why? I only know his Schumann, it isn't a favourite, maybe I should listen more attentively.
Asking a lot? Do you think I´m not capable of explaining why I like something? :D
This is one of the most pure versions I´ve ever heard. Not the slightest trace of affectation or artificiality; no flashy effects, no excessive rubato (actually, barely any); total sincerity, modesty and commitment to the music. One can imagine Chopin himself, alone, late at night in his room, playing like that.
The Poet Speaks,
apropos Schumann.
Last but not least, there is the heavenly sound of the Bechstein piano he plays.
I can let you have it if you want, just PM me and I´ll upload it online.
I will have to check his Schumann.
Quote from: Florestan on November 16, 2014, 11:19:44 PM
Asking a lot? Do you think I´m not capable of explaining why I like something? :D
This is one of the most pure versions I´ve ever heard. Not the slightest trace of affectation or artificiality; no flashy effects, no excessive rubato (actually, barely any); total sincerity, modesty and commitment to the music. One can imagine Chopin himself, alone, late at night in his room, playing like that. The Poet Speaks, apropos Schumann.
Last but not least, there is the heavenly sound of the Bechstein piano he plays.
I can let you have it if you want, just PM me and I´ll upload it online.
I will have to check his Schumann.
Yes I can imagine this is true, it's true of his preludes which I heard on youtube.
One thing you may like - this is a wild card - is Pletnev's very first Mozart sonata recording, not the DG one but the one he made for Melodyia.
I'll PM , we can exchange Schumann and Mozart for Chopin.