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So, Twin Peaks is coming back, nine episodes, due to arrive in 2016. Lynch will be directing all of them.

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Thoughts? Expectations? Memories?

While there's no way in hell I'd defend the atrocious 2nd season (except for the finale itself), this series shaped me more than I probably realize. Seeing the original run as a kid (sorry to anyone who'll feel old reading this), I had no idea what was going on, yet the mood, the music (that bass in the Red Room!), the quirkiness intertwined with a healthy dose of humanity.. it all had a profound effect on who I've become. No, I don't talk backwards, but I sure love coffee and a Audrey will always be my dream girl.

Can it work 25 years later? Can it be updated without losing its original appeal? Can it shock audiences the way it did back in 1990?

Wow!  What a coincidence!  We were just discussing the demise of the show elsewhere last week or so!

And for something worthy of Lynchian weirdness:

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/6/6919641/twin-peaks-prophecy-foretold-2016-return (http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/6/6919641/twin-peaks-prophecy-foretold-2016-return)

Quote from: Rinaldo on October 07, 2014, 11:50:55 AM...and a Audrey will always be my dream girl....Can it work 25 years later?

I'm wondering too. Audrey (Sherilyn Fenn) is 49; Agent Cooper is 55. What have they been doing for 25 years? Or is Lynch just going to start over with a new mystery set in the same location?

Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 07, 2014, 12:55:54 PM
I'm wondering too. Audrey (Sherilyn Fenn) is 49; Agent Cooper is 55.

and Bob is dead!

+1  Looking forward to it.  :)

It has neither my blessing nor my curse 8)

Only a few days ago I advised MI to pick Dale Cooper mirrored Killer Bob as his permanent avatar, because I was rewatching the original series again, and now what?

Quote from: Marc on October 07, 2014, 10:19:05 AM
[...] this is weird and almost scary: I watched the final episode of Twin Peaks today, and after that some Twin Peaks documentary, which a.o. discussed the ideas for the third season that never was to be .... and then I returned to the real world to learn that David Lynch tweeted today that this third season is finally on its way! To be broadcasted in 2016!

25 years after the final episode of Season 2, just as 'Laura Palmer' had 'predicted' in those dreamy and weird Black Lodge scenes.

http://www.youtube.com/v/BL57-9171pk

Quote from: ChamberNut on October 07, 2014, 02:16:41 PM
+1  Looking forward to it.  :)

+2.

This makes me want to cry with joy.  :'(  ;D
I was starting to get concerned that Lynch was going to stay absent from film. He's been so busy with his coffee brand and Transcendental Meditation I thought we'd never hear from him again.

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Never saw what the big deal was - Much ado About Nothing. Probably won't bother with the second.

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 07, 2014, 12:55:54 PM
I'm wondering too. Audrey (Sherilyn Fenn) is 49; Agent Cooper is 55. What have they been doing for 25 years? Or is Lynch just going to start over with a new mystery set in the same location?

Sarge

Well the original mystery is unresolved [SPOILERS!] - the 'good' Dale got trapped in the Black Lodge, the 'bad' got out.. and just as Marc pointed out, Laura 'predicted' they'll see each other again 25 years later. There's also an earlier scene of an aged Coop in the Black Lodge, silver hair and all..

In any case, I'm looking forward to it. If it can retain the surrealist overtones as well as the good hearted humour, I'm open to any direction they might be taking. One thing is for sure - the music will be worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/v/rgXLEM8MhJo

Quote from: mc ukrneal on October 07, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Never saw what the big deal was - Much ado About Nothing. Probably won't bother with the second.

Sure it's much ado nothing, but if I watch CNN then I conclude that almost anything in life is much ado about nothing.
People kill each other because they read different 'holy' books or even sometimes just because they can't stand each other face.

And here at GMG we waste our time with discussing (sometimes fiercely) the quality of recordings and how ornamentations should be used in baroque music, and much more much ado.

Almost everything I saw from Lynch has touched my heart and soul, probably because he's never afraid to dig deep into each man's (and woman's) heart and soul. And I guess this makes his themes, no matter how weird they appear in his films, so recognizable for me.
Of course that's probably much ado about not that much, it's probably nothing but a search for empathy and understanding, but hey, how many weird 'much ado about nothing' issues in this world could be solved or at least tempered by empathy and understanding?

Quote from: Rinaldo on October 07, 2014, 04:45:16 PM
[...]
There's also an earlier scene of an aged Coop in the Black Lodge, silver hair and all..
[...]

Yes, that's Cooper's dream in one of the early episodes, which was entitled '25 years later' in the European pilot, so, at the time, I figured that Laura was only referring to that ... but now it might have a bonus meaning ... Twin Peaks is like poetry, you can read but nothing reads as it is written.

Quote from: Marc on October 08, 2014, 01:51:16 AM
Sure it's much ado nothing, but if I watch CNN then I conclude that almost anything in life is much ado about nothing.
People kill each other because they read different 'holy' books or even sometimes just because they can't stand each other face.

And here at GMG we waste our time with discussing (sometimes fiercely) the quality of recordings and how ornamentations should be used in baroque music, and much more much ado.

Almost everything I saw from Lynch has touched my heart and soul, probably because he's never afraid to dig deep into each man's (and woman's) heart and soul. And I guess this makes his themes, no matter how weird they appear in his films, so recognizable for me.
Of course that's probably much ado about not that much, it's probably nothing but a search for empathy and understanding, but hey, how many weird 'much ado about nothing' issues in this world could be solved or at least tempered by empathy and understanding?

Yes, that's Cooper's dream in one of the early episodes, which was entitled '25 years later' in the European pilot, so, at the time, I figured that Laura was only referring to that ... but now it might have a bonus meaning ... Twin Peaks is like poetry, you can read but nothing reads as it is written.

See this is the problem, I generally felt the opposite of what you felt from Lynch. I have nothing positive to say about his work from Twin Peaks and onwards. I find his work disconnected (to put it nicely) from all the positives you listed.

Quote from: mc ukrneal on October 08, 2014, 03:53:37 AM
See this is the problem, I generally felt the opposite of what you felt from Lynch. I have nothing positive to say about his work from Twin Peaks and onwards. I find his work disconnected (to put it nicely) from all the positives you listed.

I empathize and understand.

But ... will we ever be lovers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAEzvJoVF4

;)

Luckilly, there are so many (weird/not weird) movies and tv-series, we both will get out share.

Quote from: escher on October 07, 2014, 01:44:27 PM
and Bob is dead!

But Leland survived!

;D

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From left to right: Gordon Cole, Donna Hayward and Leland Palmer, as some of us used to know them.

https://www.youtube.com/v/-dNwFVk68PI

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on October 08, 2014, 07:35:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/-dNwFVk68PI

A perfect example....

Quote from: mc ukrneal on October 08, 2014, 07:57:58 AM
A perfect example....

..of the humour. I love how it's (also) a play on the fans trying to interpret the surreal, dreamlike scenes from the series.

Quote from: Rinaldo on October 08, 2014, 08:17:37 AM
I love how it's (also) a play on the fans trying to interpret...

Lynch has done this many times before. Mulholland Drive is a great example. Lynch even released clues for the audience to pay attention to, but that's about as far as he went, and the "clues" still leave much of the answers to the viewers interpretation. One aspect of his characters I've always admired is their uniqueness and quirkiness. I see viewers questioning the motives, personalities or actions of the characters, when many times there really is no direct answer, the characters are just this way, this is who they are.

Has anyone seen David Lynch's commercial he made for the iPhone back in 2008? It's clever, and also NSFW!!!

But it is enjoyable  ;D...

https://www.youtube.com/v/wKiIroiCvZ0

Quote from: Rinaldo on October 07, 2014, 04:45:16 PM
Well the original mystery is unresolved [SPOILERS!] - the 'good' Dale got trapped in the Black Lodge, the 'bad' got out.. and just as Marc pointed out, Laura 'predicted' they'll see each other again 25 years later. There's also an earlier scene of an aged Coop in the Black Lodge, silver hair and all..

In any case, I'm looking forward to it. If it can retain the surrealist overtones as well as the good hearted humour, I'm open to any direction they might be taking. One thing is for sure - the music will be worth it!

https://www.youtube.com/v/rgXLEM8MhJo

That video is great. I visualized the scene he (Lynch) described. The music of Twin Peaks is special to me. I'm wondering if Badalamenti will compose new music for the next episodes, or Lynch will use his music.

By chance (or is it?) an article about a Lynch exhibition in Philadelphia appeared this morning in the Wall Street Journal:

QuoteFans of the director may want to linger in the first room upstairs, where senior curator Robert Cozzolino has grouped material from the Philadelphia years (1965-70). Mr. Lynch has said he had his first "original thought" in the city. Living in a crime-ridden neighborhood across from the morgue, he continued to draw, paint and sculpt while working on his singular films.

The walls from this period are full of discomforting images, usually half-abstract, half-human, that began on canvas or paper and later ended up on celluloid. "The Alphabet" (1968), a 4-minute short that mixes live action and animation, is like a bizarre primer for Satan's children. "The Grandmother" (1970), playing on a monitor here, is about a boy who seeks comfort from his abusive mother and father in the arms of his "grandmother," who may or may not be real. (She is born out of a human orifice in a treelike potato that he grows by watering a mound of dirt on his bed. Yes, you read that sentence correctly.)

See:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/practitioner-of-the-dark-arts-1412715773 (http://online.wsj.com/articles/practitioner-of-the-dark-arts-1412715773)

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on October 08, 2014, 09:26:33 AM
Lynch has done this many times before. Mulholland Drive is a great example. Lynch even released clues for the audience to pay attention to, but that's about as far as he went, and the "clues" still leave much of the answers to the viewers interpretation. One aspect of his characters I've always admired is their uniqueness and quirkiness. I see viewers questioning the motives, personalities or actions of the characters, when many times there really is no direct answer, the characters are just this way, this is who they are.

Ugh. Did I mention this is on my list of worst 10 5 3 - well, you get the picture. :)

Yes: made-to-order doughnuts:

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This is great. :D

The new episodes will probably be much better than the original series seen as a whole, considering how bad many of the episodes not directed by Lynch were. And now, it seems, he gets to spend all his time on this project.

From the original series, I still only watch the pilot and finale episodes, usually followed by seeing the Fire Walk with Me film. Then follows sad reflections on the fates of the main characters. :'(

Actually, I wouldn't mind if the series was more like FWwM; it wasn't as quirky and fun, but a lot more touching.

Quote from: Marc on October 08, 2014, 01:51:16 AM
Almost everything I saw from Lynch has touched my heart and soul, probably because he's never afraid to dig deep into each man's (and woman's) heart and soul. And I guess this makes his themes, no matter how weird they appear in his films, so recognizable for me.

I found them difficult to understand at first, but when I did, I thought this guy is a surrealist only on the surface and one of the greatest emotional realists. It all rings so true to me. :-\

Quote from: Linus on October 10, 2014, 12:39:01 AM
[...]
From the original series, I still only watch the pilot and finale episodes, usually followed by seeing the Fire Walk with Me film. Then follows sad reflections on the fates of the main characters. :'(
[...]

With Laura receiving her angels back, on the sounds of Cherubini's Requiem, with Cooper's hand resting on her shoulder, I also find the closing scene very moving and comforting.

This is great news. I predict it's going to be great. They will have much more control and freedom in the cable medium.

Quote from: Marc on October 10, 2014, 12:59:21 AM
With Laura receiving her angels back, on the sounds of Cherubini's Requiem, with Cooper's hand resting on her shoulder, I also find the closing scene very moving and comforting.

God, yes. It so perfectly resolved that terrifying climax in the train car. *catharsis*

Yet, I must admit, what keeps me awake at night is how I wish I could just jump into the Twin Peaks universe, hug Laura and tell her that I understand, that it's not her fault and that we love her anyway. Before she hops off that bike and runs into the woods.

Quote from: Linus on October 10, 2014, 04:13:43 AM
God, yes. It so perfectly resolved that terrifying climax in the train car. *catharsis*

Yet, I must admit, what keeps me awake at night is how I wish I could just jump into the Twin Peaks universe, hug Laura and tell her that I understand, that it's not her fault and that we love her anyway. Before she hops off that bike and runs into the woods.

That's sweet. And her secret boyfriend James had the same feelings. But she wasn't able to accept his love anymore, nor Donna's love, nor the love of her angels. "James is sweet ... but so dumb. And I can only take so much of sweet!"

I forgot for which magazine it was, but Sheryl Lee once told in an interview that, despite the negative reactions Fire Walk With Me had received, she got many moving positive reactions from incest victims who were glad that 'Laura' and Lynch had decided to tell the entire story, including its gruesome truth and including its comforting ending.
I think that, what you wish at night, is already delivered, in a more spiritual way, in that final scene of Fire Walk With Me. Even though Laura had left the angels, the angels themselves never left her, they still loved her. 

• Lynch will be involved.
• It will be strange.
• It should be good.
• premiere of the 1st show is a long ways off!

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Quote from: 7/4 on October 10, 2014, 02:09:18 PM

• Lynch will be involved.
• It will be strange.
• It should be good.
• premiere of the 1st show is a long ways off!

[/list]

Yeah, a year and a half at least! Too long!

Quote from: Marc on October 10, 2014, 06:09:37 AM
That's sweet. And her secret boyfriend James had the same feelings. But she wasn't able to accept his love anymore, nor Donna's love, nor the love of her angels. "James is sweet ... but so dumb. And I can only take so much of sweet!"

Yes, it's sweet, but what would hopefully make all the difference, compared to James' ignorant method, would be to also understand her and accept her, warts and all. :)

Because I was always under the impression that James (nor anyone else for that matter) never understood Laura and her shame. And for that reason, the sweetness of James and others was not only pointless, but hurt Laura even more because she felt it was undeserved, perpetuating her feelings of guilt.

In hindsight, I think this whole paradox of the destructive façade of innocence is pinpointed the most accurately by the well-meaning ignorance (or cowardly avoidance) of Harry in the pilot:

Cooper: "What we have taped to the page here is a plastic envelope containing a white residue [...] And my bet is it'll test positive for cocaine."
Harry: "That's impossible."
Cooper: "You ever been surprised before?"
Harry: "Mr. Cooper, you didn't know Laura Palmer."

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I think that, what you wish at night, is already delivered, in a more spiritual way, in that final scene of Fire Walk With Me. Even though Laura had left the angels, the angels themselves never left her, they still loved her.

I agree wholeheartedly. It's just my sentimentality that says, "Oh, if only before she had to die ..." :-\

Quote from: Linus on October 11, 2014, 12:27:57 AM
[....]
I agree wholeheartedly. It's just my sentimentality that says, "Oh, if only before she had to die ..." :-\

And now, who's the next female victim we want to help/comfort/guide/protect?

Shelly Johnson?

I think she's in danger, as her beloved ;) husband Leo realized.

She's kissed by FBI chief Gordon Cole in the Double R and Gordon is completely mesmerized by her.

Gordon Cole: WHAT A BEAUTY .... KINDA REMINDS ME OF THAT STATUE, THE ... BABE WITHOUT THE ARMS!
Dale Cooper: Venus de Milo.

And a copy of Venus de Milo is standing in the hallway of the Black Lodge's Waiting Room.

[shiver]

WAS SHELLY JOHNSON INTENDED TO BE THE NEXT VICTIM OF KILLER BOB?

Tune in .... next 2016.

;D

Quote from: Marc on October 12, 2014, 10:25:19 AM
And now, who's the next female victim we want to help/comfort/guide/protect?

Shelly Johnson?

Could be! Though perhaps she is a bit too fragile to be the one. I have a feeling Lynch would pick someone who seems strong and good on the outside and then slowly tear her/him apart before he kills her/him off. Harry S. Truman would be delicious: seemingly strong and brave, but on the inside something is eating him up. *bam-bam-baaahm!*

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Gordon Cole: WHAT A BEAUTY .... KINDA REMINDS ME OF THAT STATUE, THE ... BABE WITHOUT THE ARMS!
Dale Cooper: Venus de Milo.

And a copy of Venus de Milo is standing in the hallway of the Black Lodge's Waiting Room.

[shiver]

Good catch! I don't think I ever noticed that. (Love the caps, BTW. ;D)

Quote from: Linus on October 13, 2014, 03:02:41 AMI have a feeling Lynch would pick someone who seems strong and good on the outside and then slowly tear her/him apart before he kills her/him off.

Well, the good Dale is in the Lodge and he can't leave...

Well, it's dead again...
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/david-lynch-wont-helm-twin-peaks-revival-115613156785.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/david-lynch-wont-helm-twin-peaks-revival-115613156785.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma)

Quote from: mc ukrneal on April 06, 2015, 06:43:55 AM
Well, it's dead again...
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/david-lynch-wont-helm-twin-peaks-revival-115613156785.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/david-lynch-wont-helm-twin-peaks-revival-115613156785.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma)

I saw that yesterday: I wonder if it is a way for Lynch and his agents to squeeeeeze more money out of the network.

"Showtime also loves the world of 'Twin Peaks' and we continue to hold out hope that we can bring it back in all its glory with both of its extraordinary creators, David Lynch and Mark Frost, at its helm."

That seems to indicate that the negotiations are not over...yet.  ;)

See:

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/twin-peaks-david-lych-leaves-as-director-1201466709/ (http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/twin-peaks-david-lych-leaves-as-director-1201466709/)

Quote from: mc ukrneal on April 06, 2015, 06:43:55 AM
Well, it's dead again...
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/david-lynch-wont-helm-twin-peaks-revival-115613156785.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/david-lynch-wont-helm-twin-peaks-revival-115613156785.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma)

:(

Quote from: mc ukrneal on April 06, 2015, 06:43:55 AM
Well, it's dead again...
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/david-lynch-wont-helm-twin-peaks-revival-115613156785.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/david-lynch-wont-helm-twin-peaks-revival-115613156785.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma)

:( :(

Not dead at all - as long as the original actors don't start dropping out because of Lynch leaving the production..

I'm curious about it. Interesting that two of my favorite shows X-Files and Twin Peaks are supposed to reappear this year.

I have fond memories of watching both shows. I was very young. For some reason we didn't have electricity in our apartment for the finale of Twin Peaks. So I asked to mother to talk to our neighbors one floor below us to let me watch the show at their place. They agreed, but they never watched it themselves and I think they found it very strange.

Quote from: Rinaldo on April 06, 2015, 12:06:04 PM
Not dead at all - as long as the original actors don't start dropping out because of Lynch leaving the production..

Speak of the devil..

https://www.youtube.com/v/BO934i9uO1c

Lynch is back on board, from his own mouth (or keyboard)...

https://twitter.com/david_lynch

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on May 15, 2015, 05:35:37 PM
Lynch is back on board, from his own mouth (or keyboard)...

https://twitter.com/david_lynch

The check from the network finally cleared!   8)

I have been revisiting the series via Netflix: it had a good number of great character actors, and not just Jack Nance, Everett McGill, and of course the incredible Ray Wise, but also old-timers like Hank Worden, Dan O'Herlihy, and Royal Dano.

I had forgotten that the "dancing dwarf" episode was the third: my memory said it happened much later. 

I think ratings went down after that episode!   ;)

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on May 15, 2015, 05:35:37 PM
Lynch is back on board, from his own mouth (or keyboard)...

https://twitter.com/david_lynch

FYI:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/twin-peaks-stalemate-resolved-showtime-000539663.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/twin-peaks-stalemate-resolved-showtime-000539663.html)

It's Time!

Been going through the original 2 seasons, it's just amazing stuff. Nothing like it on TV before, or even after. Mostly through season 2 which I watch less of the later episodes, since I feel it got a little weaker once they revealed Laura's killer (studio pressure). But it's still great. A few highlights....

Season 2: Ep. 7 - Lonely Souls - The scene at the end in The Roadhouse, and then with Leland and Maddy, and then back to The Roadhouse is fantastically executed. These final 20 minutes are essential Lynch, which makes sense considering it was one of the few episodes from Season 2 that Lynch actually directed himself, and with a script by Mark Frost.
Season 2: Ep. 8 - Drive with a Dead Girl - I've always loved the scene near the end when Audrey visits Cooper at the hotel, and confesses that she always wanted her father's approval, and that she never touched anyone at One Eyed Jacks.

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 20, 2017, 05:46:46 PM
Oh god! Not S2E7, when I re-watched that in February I literally cried. I'm not the person to cry easily but it was really tragic. Lynch really knows how to manipulate the viewers.

And Julee Cruise!!  :'( :'(

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IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN

Forgot I started this thread! Time sure flies. I expect Lynch to kick the surreal aspects of the show into overdrive. No way he's gonna be content with just a nostalgic trip.

QuoteLynch really knows how to manipulate the viewers.

Yup. He's got a reputation of weirdness but he's quite the Hitchcock when he wants to. Remember in the pilot, Laura's empty chair, Donna and James exchanging glances, the tension keeps building until you snap, just like James breaks his pencil. I hope they teach these scenes at film schools.

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 20, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
I got her albums (some of the lyrics are written by lynch!)

I love it.

Also, Rockin' Back Inside My Heart, Mysteries of Love, The Nightingale etc are so sentimental for me  :'( :'(

I bought them too!!!  ;D



Have you heard Chrysta Bell's album?

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Produced by Lynch as well. She sang on the song Polish Poem from Inland Empire.

Quote from: Rinaldo on May 20, 2017, 06:16:21 PM
IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN

Forgot I started this thread! Time sure flies. I expect Lynch to kick the surreal aspects of the show into overdrive. No way he's gonna be content with just a nostalgic trip.

Yup. He's got a reputation of weirdness but he's quite the Hitchcock when he wants to. Remember in the pilot, Laura's empty chair, Donna and James exchanging glances, the tension keeps building until you snap, just like James breaks his pencil. I hope they teach these scenes at film schools.

I'm sure Showtime gave him carte blanche with the new Twin Peaks series, so I'm expecting classic Lynch.

Opted for the Showtime channel through Amazon Video. Will have pts- 1 & 2 available at 9pm ET (I live US-Georgia) A big bonus is that parts 3 & 4 will be available directly afterwards, and will resume with episode 5 on June 4th.
I've read this offering of first four episodes is only available with streaming services, whereas Showtime through cable tv services will have to wait until next week to get pts 3 & 4.

How is everyone else watching?

Holy smokes! Went to my local library this afternoon and this was on the shelf near the entrance. It's one of those days.  8)


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Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 21, 2017, 03:52:01 PM
1 Fucking hour!!  :o :o :o :o

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/countdown/ (http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/countdown/)

That's awesome. Didn't know about the countdown

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 21, 2017, 12:34:52 PM
TODAY IS THE DAY!!!!!

I am recording it: two-hour premiere!   8)

To be sure, after Inland Empire, Lynch would seem to have needed a reboot of his reputation.

Perhaps this will do it?  0:)

Quote from: Cato on May 21, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
I am recording it: two-hour premiere!   8)

To be sure, after Inland Empire, Lynch would seem to have needed a reboot of his reputation.

Perhaps this will do it?  0:)

I've read that Lynch will not be making anymore films, that Empire was his last. Everything he does from now on will be for TV.

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 21, 2017, 04:34:05 PM
Lol, season one spoilers: Laura Palmer Dies  :P

I thought she was napping in that plastic?

Well.. um.. that was.. errr.. huh?!?!

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 22, 2017, 01:04:15 AMWhat do you guys think?  :D

Can't say I liked it. It's much closer to Fire Walk With Me, as expected, but it felt too disjointed for me. And while I love the Red Room to death, there was so much of it here that it became kinda dull, IMO.

Brilliant acting, though. And I certainly want to see how it all pans out.

Made it through the first 3, will hit episode 4 tonight.

I love it, but it doesn't feel like Twin Peaks. Or not yet, at least.

It's more like Eraserhead, Lost Highway, and Mulholland Drive, like alien said. But that's vintage Lynch, and I know he's going to utilize all 17 episodes to their full potential. I expect everything to get tied together in the most Lynchian way, which means we might be left with more questions than answers, but that's the way i like it.
And with a longer format (17 eps) Lynch can really take his time with scenes and build up the tension even more. But it does feel like something completely new, which might've been his goal.

Ill give more details on my view tonight when I finish episode 4. And I may just re watch 1 through 3 again, beautifully done.

Two things that I don't like about the new season: 1) Madeline Zima's character is killed off too soon (yeah, I have a crush on Zima, I wanted to see more of her  ;D ) and 2) despite her importance in the final half of season 2 (to the story, to Agent Cooper), Annie (Heather Graham) will not be in it at all, leaving her fate a continuing mystery  >:(

Sarge

One of my favorite pop singers, one of my favorite TV shows, together at last  ;D

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Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 22, 2017, 12:05:51 PM
One of my favorite pop singers, one of my favorite TV shows, together at last  ;D

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Sarge

Awesome!

Packing for a short trip, then time for some coffee and episode 4. Been thinking about 1-3 all day, certain images and scenes have stuck with me all day.

He did it, lads (and lasses, be they a-lurk)! He fucking did it! I have seen the first three episodes so far and my joy cannot be contained.

HELLOOOOOOOOO

3-4 are definitely an improvement in my books. Still a tad too sluggish but man, that "mother is coming" sequence was a damn fine cup of surreal and Michael Cera's "wild one" left me in stitches.

Here's hoping the coffee worked. I want Coop back in business!

Quote from: Rinaldo on May 23, 2017, 12:09:02 AMand Michael Cera's "wild one" left me in stitches.

That's brilliant casting. And I love Sheriff Truman's expressions, and few words, throughout that scene...and the inexplicably proud parents, with Andy grinning like Stan Laurel  ;D


Sarge

Only c. 500,000 tuned in on Sunday, but...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/arts/television/twin-peaks-premiere-ratings.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/arts/television/twin-peaks-premiere-ratings.html)

Just caught Episodes I and II: classic Lynch!   The incomprehensible mixed with satire via the weird.  Very funny lines at times, more than counter-balanced by the occult!

Actually, it is refreshing to see something which lets the camera linger on actors and scenes, and does not seem to have been filmed by a hyperactive 12-year old hopped up on Mountain Dew! 0:)

I recall an interview with Mark Frost and Lynch during the height of Twin Peaks mania, where the interviewer asked how much of the plot was outlined in advance.

Lynch blithely blurted out: "Oh we don't plan anything!"

Mark Frost, immediately horrified, jumped in and said: "No no! (nervous laughter) We plan everything!"  0:)

Quote from: Cato on May 24, 2017, 04:12:35 PM
Just caught Episodes I and II

So we can assume now that 500,001 have tuned in  ;)

Quote from: Cato on May 24, 2017, 04:12:35 PM

Actually, it is refreshing to see something which lets the camera linger on actors and scenes, and does not seem to have been filmed by a hyperactive 12-year old hopped up on Mountain Dew! 0:)

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 24, 2017, 04:20:59 PM
Wait till you see episode three!   ;D

You may just infact loose your calm  ;D

Yeah, I'm curious to see how Cato reacts to the first scene of episode three...it lasts for 13 minutes with almost no comprehensible dialogue!!! I have to confess, I grew impatient.

Sarge

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 24, 2017, 04:28:41 PM
I was mesmerized, then [SPOILERS] happened!  ;D

Also, when Coop...... SPOILERS BLOCKED, what's going on there?

Then there was HELLLOOOO!!!!  8)

Yeah, the whole episode was: WTF is happening?  ;D

Sarge

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 24, 2017, 04:28:41 PM
Then there was HELLLOOOO!!!!  8)

I'm going to try that the next time I play the slot machines  :D

Sarge

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 24, 2017, 04:38:05 PM
Disclaimer for now, for Cato. Don't read this yet, which is addressed to Sarge:

I think so too

I was going to ask this question anyway, might as well be now: Who came through the crystal box to murder? The only logical explanation (logical, ha!), given what we saw in the  flashback with the young couple and with Coop seemingly transported to the box, that it was actually good Coop. But then why the violence? Bob/Coop is still out in the world at this point so it couldn't have been him. Or am I not seeing something?

Sarge

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 24, 2017, 04:36:02 PM
I can't help the inclination (as this was episode 2 now, and most/all of us interested have seen it now) that this guy of Mulholland Drive:


(https://roosterillusionreviews.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/vlcsnap-2014-08-04-15h41m40s128.png)

Is the billionaire guy with the evil boss are the same person and they connect to Betty (Mulholland Dr) getting "the job", this being before she tuns up in the movie or something.

Also the really dirty looking guy that disappears in the jail cell being the homeless man from Mulholland Drive too?

(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2014/10/31/31-bonnie-aarons.w1200.h630.jpg)

What do you think? I can't find screenshots of it yet but it's when the guy from episode one is locked up...  ::)

Good questions, and I'm afraid I can't make an informed comment. I've only seen Mulholland Drive once and remember it hazily. But I don't doubt Lynchian connections.

Sarge

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 24, 2017, 05:04:29 PM
I've seen lots of theories about that on reddit already.

Some include:

*an alien
(spoiler for Cato) : * (The Mother( which makes sense
*My first theory was Laura Palmer (or her doppelganger) after she went off into oblivion
*The statue in the red room became alive

Also this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YdJ8ycrfqo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YdJ8ycrfqo)

Thanks, especially for the youtube clip. Very interesting. That now begs the question, what was Coop doing in the box and how does that tie in with the segue to Mrs. Palmer watching the violent nature program? I need to watch the episode again  8)

Apropos the alien theory: the first scene in episode three where SPOILER Coop and the woman step out into space, reminded me of a similar scene in Dark City. Have you seen that?

Sarge

Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on May 24, 2017, 04:59:57 PM
Well they can't be coincidental. Either they're the same chaacters/doppelgangers or they're just nods/a reference wink to the Mulholland Drive series that never got a lift off. I can't wait to find out what!

Don't overthink it, Lynch is keen on casting the same actors he's worked with previously.

http://deadline.com/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-cannes-film-festival-standing-ovation-1202102666/


David Lynch's 'Twin Peaks' Revival Met With Standing Ovation In Cannes

Been rewatching the first 4 episodes.
My initial reaction was, this is way different than the Twin Peaks of 25 years ago. My impression now is, this is an amazing new version of the Twin Peaks show.
And I really like how episodes 2-4 end at the Bang Bang Bar with a different musical act performing. Still SOOOO much mystery, but 13 episodes to go!

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on May 25, 2017, 03:28:01 PM
http://deadline.com/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-cannes-film-festival-standing-ovation-1202102666/


David Lynch's 'Twin Peaks' Revival Met With Standing Ovation In Cannes

Lovely...

https://twitter.com/cinemacanalplus/status/867824163892985856

One thing (out of many, many things) I really dig about what they're doing with the new Peaks, is that just how they satirised the soap operas that were popular at the time of the original series, they're now satirising today's TV obsession with edgy crime dramas, while still maintaining a totally unique vibe. I also love that some parts feel so similar to Wild at Heart, my favourite Lynch film — a certain major character would fit right in at the motel in Big Tuna.

Re-watchng epsisode 4:

Gordon: How's Martha?

Bill: Oh, she's fine. Thanks for asking, Gordon.

Gordon: She ever fix that thing with Paul?

Bill: Ah, yes, yes, yes. Good of you to remember. Paul is now in the North Pole.

Gordon: Well there you go!


;D ;D ;D  Another hilarious WTF? moment.


Sarge

Quote from: neilasuolubaftahT on May 27, 2017, 11:46:50 PM
This crossed my mind to and I agree.

btw, if he had continued the same soap opera style in 2017, quite Frankly Zappa it would have sucked  :laugh:

It definitely isn't a nostalgia trip. Nor is it indulging in fan service. It's just getting shit done, Lynch style.

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 27, 2017, 12:45:34 PM
Re-watchng epsisode 4:

Gordon: How's Martha?

Bill: Oh, she's fine. Thanks for asking, Gordon.

Gordon: She ever fix that thing with Paul?

Bill: Ah, yes, yes, yes. Good of you to remember. Paul is now in the North Pole.

Gordon: Well there you go!


;D ;D ;D  Another hilarious WTF? moment.


Sarge

Is that a possible reference to the Jack Nance character in Blue Velvet ?  There is a hilarious scene where Jack Nance tells (I think) Kyle MacLachlan in a menacing tone (or at least as menacing as you can make the line): "My name's Paul !!! "   :D   

Quote from: Crudblud on May 28, 2017, 02:27:03 AM
It definitely isn't a nostalgia trip. Nor is it indulging in fan service. It's just getting shit done, Lynch style.

This needs to be quoted on the blu Ray box when it gets released.  :)

I'm all for screwing with the fans, even if I count myself as one. The pilot had me worried because it seemed like an incoherent excercise with way too much Black Lodge sprinkled on top.

But I'm starting to see the big picture (or am I?) and I like what I see. The space-lodge or whatever it was, man, that imagery really stuck with me. And Bobby's return.. wow. No extra words needed. The imagination immediately fills in the blanks. Can't wait for Audrey to show up.

Just read that something changes in the opening credits for every episode. Anyone notice?  ;)

Here is an essay on Twin Peaks, old and new:

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/05/david-lynch-is-not-an-auteur-on-the-enduring-brill.html (https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/05/david-lynch-is-not-an-auteur-on-the-enduring-brill.html)

An excerpt:

Quote...When you place two mirrors facing one another, an object between them will appear in an infinitely receding cascade of reflections, a phenomenon sometimes called an Infinity Mirror or Toricelli's Trumpet. It's the closest thing I can come up with to explain what Twin Peaks did...

What makes Lynch something other than an auteur is probably expressed more clearly in Twin Peaks than in anything else he's ever made, and it's all about those disturbed reflections. Lynch knows that everyone experiences a given work of art differently. No two people have precisely the same takeaway from a story, no matter how blisteringly powerful the vision of the visionary at the helm. Instead of attempting to force a consensus analysis onto his audience, Lynch has mastered a kind of radical open-endedness and curiosity that embraces the dissonant and highly personal interpretations of each viewer who comes to his work. His work can be absurdist, dramatic, scary, romantic—often in quick succession—but I cannot think of another director who can touch Lynch for that substrate of almost gleeful curiosity about the breadth of different things people will extract from his work. Twin Peaks wasn't an auteur's tour de force. It was Toricelli's trumpet. Every person placed between those mirrors saw a different reflection, and it was partly informed by what Lynch put onscreen and partly by what viewers brought with them.

Twin Peaks parody, SNL, 1990. I like the Audrey  8)

https://www.youtube.com/v/gTjJcrDoxzw


Sarge

Badalamenti on the creation of Laura Palmer's theme...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgXLEM8MhJo

Loved episode 5. And this scene.

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on June 05, 2017, 03:12:37 PM
Loved episode 5. And this scene.

Fantastic use of the oldie from the Paris Sisters. But the scene made me nervous. I was expecting something violent to happen. Now that I know better, I can re-watch with less anxiety  :D

Sarge

Can't say I'm a fan of how the different characters, old & new, are introduced and then.. nothing, wait for the next episode or maybe the episode after that or whatever. This kind of fragmentation does nothing for me, so 5 was a letdown, as not much has happened, no progress whatsoever. Bad Coop's phone call was ace, though.

Quote from: Rinaldo on June 06, 2017, 06:39:11 AMas not much has happened, no progress whatsoever.

We did find out the purpose of Jacoby's golden shovels...that's some progress  ;D

Sarge

I think the release schedule has some problems. Since it was essentially written and shot as one long thing, the episodic format can feel odd, but I'm certainly excited to see where this is all going.

P.S.: Dr. Amp is amazing.

Just watched episode 6. "Fuck Gene Kelly"  ;D


Sarge

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCF6F4uU0AAr_7t.jpg)

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on June 12, 2017, 09:37:06 AM
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Diane!!!

And here I thought Albert was looking for Audrey. Well played, well played indeed.

That said, this guy echoes my feelings about the show so far:

Quote from: Sean O'Neal, AV ClubWe're a third of the way into the new series now, and for whatever comic joys Dougie's storylines brought us in this episode alone—Naomi Watts chewing out Jeremy Davies (still in Justified scumbag mode); Dougie becoming an accidental, Being There-esque savant with his case file doodles; his fascination with the Clapper—we've spent a disproportionate amount of time watching him dawdle around like Harrison Ford in Regarding Henry. That, plus the attendant, slow police investigation into his car bombing while junkie mom rants "1-1-9!" across the street, still feels like padding to me. (It's enough to make me wonder whether Lynch and Frost responded to Showtime tacking another 10 episodes on to its original order by saying, "Let's just double the Dougie stuff.") Meanwhile, the focus on Las Vegas takes up so much narrative room that everything else ends up feeling too rushed, to the point where all the other minor plot threads that have been—and continue to be—introduced seem even more like disconnected vignettes, making them easier to forget about. (Hey, remember Matthew Lillard? I wonder what he's been up to since we last saw him, five weeks ago.) That's the balance I would like to see restored.

That said, I still have every reason to believe these disparate threads are all destined to converge—though still perhaps elliptically, and not necessarily in a way that will justify how much time we've spent in Vegas, specifically. And even throughout my frustration with the pacing, I'm still delighted by how this series continues to upend all of my expectations from moment to moment. My greatest fear for the revival was that it would suck all the mystery out of the show by trying to recreate its peculiarities with too much self-awareness; that it would be Twin Peaks: The Force Awakens: enjoyable enough, but too stifled by its own need to nostalgically pander; that I would be bored. The fact that I'm sitting here with you guys, debating whether Cooper being a catatonic goofball named "Dougie" who's unwittingly mixed up with mobsters and being hunted by icepick-wielding hitmen is detracting too much from storylines about a headless corpse tagged with Major Briggs' fingerprints or a mysterious black box in Buenos Aires, or, or, or... Well, it's safe to say I never could have imagined this is what Twin Peaks 2017 would look like, and every week I can't wait to watch the next episode.

http://www.avclub.com/live/v-club-dale-cooper-you-have-wake-256659/entry/1154

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on June 19, 2017, 02:36:58 AM
Well episode 7:


Holy fuck!!!!!  ???

I love the Girl From Ipanema reference on the plane.  ;D

Love this scene:

Gordon: You got any coffee?
Diane (smoking and drinking coffee): No...I don't have any cigarettes either.
Gordon: Ah...the memory of tobacco. But I gave it up.
Diane: Fuck you, Gordon
Albert (to Gordon): Now you're getting the personal treatment.
Diane: Oh, you want personal? Fuck you, too, Albert.
Gordon: Now that we got the pleasantries out of the way...


Sarge

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on June 19, 2017, 03:05:43 AM
I love the Girl From Ipanema reference on the plane.  ;D

Cracked me up  :laugh:

Sarge

Ninja Dougie!

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on June 19, 2017, 05:08:41 PM
Fuck you Albert!......Fuck you Gordon!.....Fuck you Tammy!.....Fuck you Cooper?

Diane is hilarious. Tammy getting shot down in that scene is one of the funniest moments in the entire series so far for me. As for Cooper, it seems pretty clear that the doppelganger did something horrible to Diane after he left Twin Peaks, but she knows they're two different people, so who knows what that reunion will be like?

Um, woah. Episode 8. That just happened.

And the 2001, David Lynch style? Woah, again. I'm floored by this episode.

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on June 25, 2017, 07:07:35 PM
Um, woah. Episode 8. That just happened.

And the 2001, David Lynch style? Woah, again. I'm floored by this episode.

Man oh man. When I thought it can't surprise me any more..

Gotta light?

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on June 26, 2017, 02:19:40 AM
Ok, I'm feeling really inspired after that  ;D Gonna get back to work on this string quartet I'm (seriously) writing, gonna be the most brutal, alien, cosmic thing I can possibly write  8)

I completely understand. I felt like we were back in Eraserhead universe.

That episode on its own is one of the most beautiful creations of Lynch's career.

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on June 26, 2017, 04:37:00 AM
I completely understand. I felt like we were back in Eraserhead universe.

That episode on its own is one of the most beautiful creations of Lynch's career.

Agreed. The whole castle (?) in the sea sequence was so powerful and moving.

amazing. anyone know the music that went through the bomb sequence? Sounded like Xenakis or something. Or something spectral.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on June 26, 2017, 05:43:52 AM
I mentioned a few posts up but Penderecki's "Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima"   ;D

Sorry. now I see it. great!

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on June 26, 2017, 05:57:21 AM
It seems funny and almost trivial how last week we where getting exited about the Diane reveal and whatnot but with this week's episode it's like everything has changed. Perceptions have been altered to the largest degree, nothing about Twin Peaks feels the same now (in a revelation way). Minds have been shattered tonight folks  :o

There has never been anything like that on TV. Everyone (that makes TV) has the excuse that they're not David Lynch but they don't anymore have the excuse that television can't be amazing. It can.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on June 26, 2017, 05:57:21 AM
It seems funny and almost trivial how last week we where getting exited about the Diane reveal

I'm still excited about Diane but, yeah...seeing Laura and Bob's "spiritual" birth was amazing. But what was in the egg that came out after Bob? It lands in the desert, hatches, and infects the girl. WTF?

Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 26, 2017, 12:11:18 PMBut what was in the egg that came out after Bob? It lands in the desert, hatches, and infects the girl. WTF?

What, you never saw a cicada crossed with a frog climb into someone's mouth? Lynch is becoming sooooo predictable!

(I can't get this episode out of my head.. been replaying it in my mind over and over.. this is the water.. and this is the well..)

Quote from: Rinaldo on June 27, 2017, 05:52:37 AM
What, you never saw a cicada crossed with a frog climb into someone's mouth? Lynch is becoming sooooo predictable!

;D :D ;D

But seriously, locust and frog...a biblical reference? The bomb unleashed a plague on earth, literally infecting people?

Sarge

Great write-up in the NYT. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/arts/television/twin-peaks-season-3-episode-8-recap.html)

Only David Lynch could bring *that* to television.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on June 28, 2017, 11:31:25 PM
The theory going around is that the girl is Sarah Palmer

Might go some way to explaining Sarah's occasional psychic visions.

Looks like the ratings suck. Maybe they'll cancel it?   >:D 0:)

http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/twin-peaks-season-three-ratings/ (http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/twin-peaks-season-three-ratings/)

Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 29, 2017, 10:14:32 AM
Looks like the ratings suck. Maybe they'll cancel it?   >:D 0:)

http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/twin-peaks-season-three-ratings/ (http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/twin-peaks-season-three-ratings/)

I don't think broadcast ratings have quite as much power for a VOD/streaming company as they do for a traditional broadcaster, not to mention on demand services have become very popular and a lot less people watch broadcast television now compared with ten years ago, so ratings for pretty much everything have dropped. Showtime's PR has also been vocal about Twin Peaks bringing a lot of new subscribers to their online service, so I imagine they're quite happy to let things play out as they are.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on June 28, 2017, 11:31:25 PM
The theory going around is that the girl is Sarah Palmer, and the frog.....is Laura (who's soul was in the orb thing)

Except Laura was produced by the Giant in, presumably, the White Lodge (and therefore a source of good) and the egg that produced the locust/frog was spewed out along with Bob by the Experiment (Mother?), a source of evil. How can the orb and the egg both be Laura? That makes no sense (I'm disregarding what could be Lynchian sense  ;D ;) ).

Okay, thinking about it a bit more, Laura was the quintessential good/bad girl. Still, I'm having trouble believing that insect/frog creature being proto-Laura.

Sarge

https://www.youtube.com/v/Ej3waO0iZJE

I am behind in my viewing, but caught III and IV last night!

And therefore I caught...

WALLY BRANDO!!!   8) 8) 8) :D :D :D

https://www.youtube.com/v/tkzp_HM_K8E

Fruitcake, anyone?  :D

Sarge

Episode 9 is a really nice contrast with 8. I also feel like the two-week break really worked for these two, it was tense waiting to see how they were going to follow 8 up, but they've come back with something very close in feel to classic Peaks, at least in the sense of how it balances darkness with goofy humour and idiosyncratic asides.

Now that was more like it. Probably the most hilarious episode yet.

And Del Rio singing at the end.. chills.

I'm waiting for Julee Cruise to show up at the Bang Bang Bar.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on July 17, 2017, 01:59:11 AM
Candy? what's with her?

Obviously she's Dougie's sister  :D


Sarge

Now that's what I call an episode! I don't think there's been a single bad episode so far, but there was something about this one. I think part of it is in how the disparate strands are starting to come together, but also in just how tightly and excitingly paced it is. Every scene was just exhilarating.

Just watched episode 12: turnip/turn up  :D  Loved the scene with Gordon, Albert and the French woman.

Sarge

Ain't seen 13 yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Probably get a chance to see it later today or tomorrow.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on August 07, 2017, 01:44:27 AM
Is everyone else still holding in on this very bumpy ride?  8)

Yep. Still great. I enjoy the different vibes from each scene, and characters. Only 4 episodes left, I have a feeling Lynch is saving the best for the final act which should start soon, the Cooper/Bob/Dougie connection is becoming clearer and it's time that Lynch throws in a trademark moment to throw the audience into a roller coaster like mind-f***.

This series has made me a fan of the band Au Revoir Simone. 

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on August 07, 2017, 01:44:27 AM
Is everyone else still holding in on this very bumpy ride?  8)

I am far behind, but yes!  0:) 8)  In a few days, Mrs. Cato will have meetings and I will be alone  :(   ;)  :D  with the remote!

I really want to know what is going on with Sarah. I hope there is some great catharsis for her in future.

Audrey's situation remains thoroughly bizarre.

Also I loved the atmosphere in the credits scene at Big Ed's Gas Farm.

Also also, has anyone else noticed how weird the show's sense of time has become? Events as they unfold in different places are definitely not occurring chronologically, and while that may have been the case earlier it seems much more pronounced to me now.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on August 09, 2017, 10:52:51 AM
To use a professional term, Audrey got brain damaged and is now a crazy  ???

If Charlie was actually appointed as her carer by Ben or something, that would explain the way he talks to her and his constant writing. It's totally in character for Ben too, he's always been extremely hands-off with his kids; we never really saw him with Johnny in the original show, and he only interacted with Audrey in the first place because she was interfering with his business prospects. However, if that is the case, it's probably less than professional of Charlie to let Audrey believe he is her husband. Very strange, but I'm totally on board with whatever the hell is going on as the show winds up to its denouement.

The Mitchum brothers entrance left me in stitches.

I still hope for a resolution to the Dougie / Cooper thing but my imagination fails me.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on August 13, 2017, 09:31:55 PM
I actually forgot episode 14 was today  :laugh:


Watching now  :D

The onion continues to peel.
Can't believe there are only 3 more episodes. And as of now, a follow up to this season has not been agreed upon between Showtime and Lynch. Perhaps another 25 year cliffhanger?

I hated the whole glove story. Hope it's a setup for something more nuanced.

But a solid episode nonetheless. Man, I'd kill for a secret Bowie cameo, what an ace up Lynch's sleeve that would be.

Quote from: Rinaldo on August 14, 2017, 04:07:00 PM
Man, I'd kill for a secret Bowie cameo, what an ace up Lynch's sleeve that would be.

I agree! I know those scenes were taken from Fire Walk With Me, but I got chills when Jeffries showed up.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on August 14, 2017, 04:12:13 PM
My prediction:

Glove guy will end up killing EvilCoop, either by lodge intervention or by accident.

He seems a good match right?

Maybe we're up for some more arm wrestling. Still, the scene felt stupid. No disbelief from James whatsoever? C'mon.

Quote from: Rinaldo on August 14, 2017, 06:33:50 PM
Maybe we're up for some more arm wrestling. Still, the scene felt stupid. No disbelief from James whatsoever? C'mon.

James was always cool.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on August 21, 2017, 05:36:29 AM
Woah!  :o

Yep. A range of emotions in this episode.   :-*  :o  ???  :'(

Here's hoping the shock treatment works.

Quote from: Rinaldo on August 14, 2017, 04:07:00 PM
I hated the whole glove story. Hope it's a setup for something more nuanced.

Not exactly nuanced, but the glove did come in handy this last episode  ;D

Sarge

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on August 26, 2017, 01:49:00 AM
I admit that I can't get "Wild west" by Lissie out of my head, since Episode 14. Just such a great upbeat pop song  :D

The use of the live performances at the bar has become so much a part of the show that I anticipate who will be next, and have enjoyed them all. And yes the Lissie song was great. As I said earlier, it's amde me a fan of Au Revoir Simone.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on August 27, 2017, 07:49:40 PM
HOLY SHIT, one of the best episodes yet. Every single moment here was amazing  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Yeah, that was incredible. That episode offered one gem after another, and Badalamenti's music was so key in some of those moments. I might go crack open another beer and replay this one. Possibly the best episode yet.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on August 27, 2017, 08:46:04 PM
This episode, was what everyone expected the season to start off with but by delaying it so long, has made it so much more powerful and shocking  :o

Absolutely. Lynch is a genius.

My goodness Naomi Watts can be mesmerizing. I can't shake the look on her face, and her words out of my mind.  :'( 

And that's the best cliffhanger of the season! Only two hours more of The Return  :'(

"I know. F*** you."  ;D

We need Julee Cruise in the finale!!!!!  >:D

I've been off the grid for the past week but finally had a chance to catch up on ep. 16 and what can I say..

(http://images.entertainment.ie/images_content/rectangle/620x372/thumbs-up-header.jpg)

Easily best TV of the year, maybe even the past several years.
I spent last night recapping episodes 1-16 with about 2 hours skimming through them and watching key, and favorite, scenes. So many great moments.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 03, 2017, 04:27:27 PM
It premieres in like an hour or something right?  :-X


I'm waiting to till tonight over here, flatmate and I are gonna have a party of sorts. Gonna be fun! Popcorn, cake, COFFEE, party hats?


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I'm about to start it, it's been available on my Amazon/Showtime subscription since about 45 mins ago, but had to get the kid to bed.

Can't wait to discuss the finale!

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 03, 2017, 04:45:47 PM
Now I have to avoid this thread, Facebook, several other TP and film forums and google, for 9 hours  :laugh:


Trying to keep the excitement grounded  ;)

Oh, where do you live? You have to wait that long?  If so I promise I won't spoil anything on here.  8)

Well.

Um.

Eh..

It rattled me. Absolutely shook. That final scream still lingers in my head today. 

Should we even look at it as a cliffhanger? Or is this the new reality? Do Cooper and Laura even exist anymore?

Personally I loved it. Lynch is an absolute master of creating tension, suspense, mystery and then pulling the rug from under your feet. I'm not going to say that it wasn't resolved, because that is not what Lynch's style is about, not many of his stories end in a conventional manner of resolution.

The more I think about the last episode, the more I'm at peace with it. The night drive was mesmerizing.

But I hated the BOB punch fest in ep. 17, that just felt lame and stupid. On purpose, I guess? Still hate it.

Quote from: Rinaldo on September 04, 2017, 01:08:46 PM
The more I think about the last episode, the more I'm at peace with it. The night drive was mesmerizing.

But I hated the BOB punch fest in ep. 17, that just felt lame and stupid. On purpose, I guess? Still hate it.

The punching ball was odd for sure, I like to think that Lynch has a hidden meaning even when he's at his lamest.

I agree, I found episode 18 mesmerizing from beginning to end. It was a glimpse into (the new?) Coop and (not Laura?) Laura getting to know each other, and that 10 minutes was proof that they didn't return to the world the same as they were before.

We now wait in suspense until the confirmation of Season 4, a follow-up movie, or that being the closing of the Twin Peaks saga.  Whichever way it goes, I loved The Return, and will be revisiting it for years to come.

Another thought: This ending left me feeling depressed. Not that I expected, in any way, to have a positive, and peaceful resolution and reunion of the characters. The first 16 episodes led the viewer through many emotional events, whether it was dealing with death, love, family, or the unexpected. And I honestly would've been fine with any ending because the story left so much open for interpretation.

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 04, 2017, 01:28:26 PMAnother thought: This ending left me feeling depressed.

Same here. And I think it connects to Cooper's state. Out of place. Confused. A failure.

By the way, the actress playing the owner of Palmer's house is.. the actual owner of that house (http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Mary_Reber). The plot thickens.

Also, a nice catch from an 1995 interview:

(https://i.nahraj.to/f/1NPh.jpg)

Quote from: Rinaldo on September 04, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
By the way, the actress playing the owner of Palmer's house is.. the actual owner of that house (http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/Mary_Reber). The plot thickens.

Well there's Alien's 4th wall break he mentioned yesterday  :o

Quote from: Rinaldo on September 04, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
Same here. And I think it connects to Cooper's state. Out of place. Confused. A failure..

Also, a nice catch from an 1995 interview:

(https://i.nahraj.to/f/1NPh.jpg)

Has Cooper become the tragic figure of this story? Perhaps he sacrificed his good-Dale self so that Dougie could live a good life?
At least Sonny Jim is happy  ;D

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 04, 2017, 03:32:19 PM

That sex scene was umm....tense and a little disturbing.....

Yes, felt forced. Not that Diane wasn't in to it, but there was more of a reason for it other than just because they loved each other.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 04, 2017, 03:32:19 PM
Also Carrie killed someone

She did, although I don't believe it/he contributed to the story other than being a clue that this is not Laura Palmer.

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 04, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
I can't believe it's over  :-[


(season 3 at least...)

I know. What a ride.

I will view the final scene differently depending on if Lynch plans on continuing the show. If he says that is the end, then holy shit how depressing. But if there is more then my brain will be in overload with trying to figure out what is next for Cooper and Laura.

Great post I found on Twitter...

I am not a fan of Lynch (to put it incredibly mildly), but it will be interesting to see if they pick up another season. The show doesn't do all that well live and even after other views, is still well below other shows (in terms of numbers) on Showtime. That said, it did create buzz and did attract new customers for the channel. But I also believe I read that the show was relatively expensive to produce.

In case you were wondering, the single thing I like about Lynch is that he doesn't try to answer all the questions and tie everything up neatly.

Great article from Rolling Stone...

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/why-twin-peaks-the-return-was-the-most-groundbreaking-tv-series-ever-w501073

One of my favorite scenes in recent episodes: the Mitchum Brothers taking Coop to the airport. Candie seems as oblivious as ever (staring into space with her Mona Lisa smile, caressing herself) but then reveals she's actually listening to the conversation. A sweet moment.

(https://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/june2017/Candie%20s03E16.jpg)

(https://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/june2017/Candie%20E16.jpg)

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 05, 2017, 09:11:55 AM
One of my favorite scenes in recent episodes: the Mitchum Brothers taking Coop to the airport.

Aye, that was a nice little touch. The Mitchums are one of my favourite things in the whole series, I'd watch a spinoff with just them anytime.

Quote from: Rinaldo on September 05, 2017, 11:45:17 AMI'd watch a spinoff with just them anytime.

Oh yeah  8)

Sarge

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 04, 2017, 05:41:00 PM
I read a theory that the sex scene, may have been back in 1991? (I think that's the year) and that it was EvilCoop (hence the very blank-ness to his character there)

And the schizo theory says the Coop in the sex scene is a combination of good and evil coop (maybe even Dougie). Diane realizes it's not the pure good coop she loves and so tries to hide or claw off his face because she sees the bad coop too. And then she leaves before he wakes up. But neither theory explains how after sex there is a time shift, with Coop becoming Richard, Diane Linda, a different motel and a decades newer car. Lynch fucking with us?  ;D

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 04, 2017, 05:41:00 PM
At the end, I'm certain that Carrie realizes that she is actually Laura palmer.

That's the most likely explanation, I think. But...how did she end up in Texas with that accent? I'm still trying to wrap my head around the finale.

Sarge

Weird things happen when people have sex in David Lynch movies. I think Diane was reliving her rape to some extent, she tried to cover Coop's face to disassociate him from the doppelganger. As for what happens next, it seems to refer back to what the Fireman said in the first episode, at some point Coop and Diane become Richard and Linda, and then Richard is left on his own having been transported to a different room in a different motel (recall that sex was previously associated with Lodge activity when the Experiment appeared in the glass box and murdered Sam and Tracey in New York). There's something very deliberately off about the tone of the entire episode, and I think the idea is that Coop has gone too far in his quest to save Laura (i.e.: he prevented the murder from ever taking place, after justice had already been done with the supposed destruction of BOB) and played into Judy's trap by doing so, he's in her version of Twin Peaks and cannot rely on anything he sees or hears as fact (whom the gods would destroy they first make mad). Note that the Tremonds are the owners of the Palmer house, and they bought the house from the Chalfonts, both names used by a Lodge entity with great significance to Laura Palmer, but I don't think Coop ever encountered them and so can't really be wise to that trick.

Still, if FWWM's ending is the actual conclusion to the story, as has previously been theorised, it seems as though Laura will eventually find peace with Coop's help.

Quote from: Crudblud on September 05, 2017, 12:39:56 PM
Weird things happen when people have sex in David Lynch movies.

That's about the only thing we can be certain of  ;D

But I like your theory. Much to think about.

Sarge

Quote from: Crudblud on September 05, 2017, 12:39:56 PM
There's something very deliberately off about the tone of the entire episode, and I think the idea is that Coop has gone too far in his quest to save Laura (i.e.: he prevented the murder from ever taking place, after justice had already been done with the supposed destruction of BOB) and played into Judy's trap by doing so, he's in her version of Twin Peaks and cannot rely on anything he sees or hears as fact (whom the gods would destroy they first make mad).

I have been thinking this as well, Lynch's clues are sometimes right in front of our faces, and often simply displayed. Cooper entered Judy's version of a place that should've been comfortable for him, a coffee shop. But Cooper was met with hostility and confusion.

But great thoughts, Crudblud. Thanks for sharing.

I was watching a few clips on YouTube, and I also realised that the Platters song that plays during the sex scene is on the radio when the Woodsman shows up at the station in episode 8. What does it mean? Who the hell knows. Maybe David Lynch likes that song and wanted to use it twice, I really like The Platters and can't fault him on that. But with the theme of doubling so common in Twin Peaks, it could either be a massive red herring or something important.

Quote from: Crudblud on September 05, 2017, 12:39:56 PM
Note that the Tremonds are the owners of the Palmer house, and they bought the house from the Chalfonts, both names used by a Lodge entity with great significance to Laura Palmer, but I don't think Coop ever encountered them and so can't really be wise to that trick.

Interesting. In episode 9 of the second season Coop goes with Donna to see Mrs. Tremond about Harold's suicide, but the old Mrs. Tremond has been replaced by a different woman with the same name, who says her mother died three years ago, and that she has no children, so the "grandson" (some other form of the Jumping Man, who seems to be possessing Sarah Palmer in the new season) is not there either. New Tremond gives Donna a page from Laura's diary which talks about the dream of Laura whispering a secret in Coop's ear.

Released yesterday, features Badalamenti's new music from The Return. It includes Cooper's farewell to Janey and Sonny-Jim in the casino, the music from episode 8 with The Fireman and the floating orbs, and the end credit music from the final episode, which that music has been running through my head for almost a week now along with the fainted image of Laura whispering into Cooper's ear.
Awesome that there are now three soundtracks for Twin Peaks featuring Badalamenti's music.


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Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 09, 2017, 06:08:35 AMthe music from episode 8 with The Fireman and the floating orbs

I've got that one stuck in my head. Great to have it on disc.

Try watching E17&18 synced - like, at the same time. Supposedly that does something :)

Quote from: milk on September 09, 2017, 07:58:35 AM
Try watching E17&18 synced - like, at the same time. Supposedly that does something :)

Yes! I've heard about this and am attempting it this weekend.

Also, came across some great fan-art, including this poster for an upcoming movie  :laugh:

(https://ctl.s6img.com/society6/img/ImctJYD7i-g6TvHto_BZMDnMpkY/w_700/prints/~artwork/s6-original-art-uploads/society6/uploads/misc/04af65597fd24b70bf515eadd339c912/~~/mr-jackpots-a-romantic-drama-dougie-spin-off-movie-prints.jpg)

Quote from: milk on September 09, 2017, 07:58:35 AM
Try watching E17&18 synced - like, at the same time. Supposedly that does something :)

At first I thought you were joking...but no, the theory exists, providing a more upbeat ending:

https://medium.com/@onantiad/episodes-17-18-of-twin-peaks-the-return-are-meant-to-be-watched-in-sync-81352ce38e8


Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 09, 2017, 02:35:05 PM
At first I thought you were joking...but no, the theory exists, providing a more upbeat ending:

https://medium.com/@onantiad/episodes-17-18-of-twin-peaks-the-return-are-meant-to-be-watched-in-sync-81352ce38e8


Sarge

WOW! I was going to test it out before reading this, but I went ahead and read it anyway. And my mind is blown, if these syncs are correct as the author is suggesting then it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for posting this, Sarge.

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Quote from: Rinaldo on September 14, 2017, 06:28:26 AM
(https://i.nahraj.to/f/1OcS.jpg)

;D :D ;D

Sarge

DVD/BR cover art for season 3...

Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on September 14, 2017, 05:28:37 PM
I just saw that. Kinda strange it says "season 3" rather than "The Return", which is how it's been promoted  ???

Marketing purposes I'm guessing.

Sad to hear Harry Dean Stanton is no longer with us. Makes this beautiful moment extra special.

https://www.youtube.com/v/ame5L8HJ6i0

So what year IS this?  ???

I bought Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier. Haven't read it yet. Does anyone else have it?

Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 21, 2017, 03:40:23 AM
I bought Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier. Haven't read it yet. Does anyone else have it?

Sarge

No but technically yes  :laugh:

I have the audiobook....

I don't even listen to that kind of music (country-pop-rock), despite my generally quite wide music pallet but I can't stop listening to "Wild West" by Lissie, such a great song. The juxtaposition with the really, really dark and shocking episode it came from probably created a unique association with it but it's true, I can't stop listening to it  ???




...also....

I never really caught into it when the episode aired but "Shadow" by the Chromatics also instills quite a strong emotion, a song that flips me out in a way. It's so beautiful and sort of simple but it's really intense somehow  ???

Of course "The World Spins" (the full song) by Julee Cruise is expectedly both heart-breaking and nostalgic.

Finally they started to show season 3 in Finland. I saw the first episode last night. The mood of this show has been changed completely. Even the colour temperature/pallette had changed from reddish to brown/blue. This is a whole new show incorporating some of the Twin Peaks characters and locations. I was surprised how little time was spend in Twin Peaks. I was surprised about the lack of Badalamenti's signature Twin Peaks music. I was surprised how "distant" and cold everything felt and how the twisted cosiness of old Twin Peak was gone apart from a few brief moments. I was surprised how little Dale Cooper had screen time and how much "new faces" had. I would have had mainly "familiar faces" in the first episode and introduced new faces as the show goes on. It felt confusing and strange, but also good so I'll keep watching... ...the hassle with the apartment keys was funny. I "hated" the soap opera aspect of old Twin Peaks, but I almost missed it with the first episode of season 3 which felt too serious and not silly enough to be genuine Twin Peaks.

Quote from: 71 dB on November 22, 2017, 01:53:24 AM
Finally they started to show season 3 in Finland. I saw the first episode last night. The mood of this show has been changed completely. Even the colour temperature/pallette had changed from reddish to brown/blue. This is a whole new show incorporating some of the Twin Peaks characters and locations. I was surprised how little time was spend in Twin Peaks. I was surprised about the lack of Badalamenti's signature Twin Peaks music. I was surprised how "distant" and cold everything felt and how the twisted cosiness of old Twin Peak was gone apart from a few brief moments. I was surprised how little Dale Cooper had screen time and how much "new faces" had. I would have had mainly "familiar faces" in the first episode and introduced new faces as the show goes on. It felt confusing and strange, but also good so I'll keep watching... ...the hassle with the apartment keys was funny. I "hated" the soap opera aspect of old Twin Peaks, but I almost missed it with the first episode of season 3 which felt too serious and not silly enough to be genuine Twin Peaks.

There are a lot of things that may shock you (gladly, as it's not a show that "plays by the rules"), so my advice is to embrace the "confusing and strange". You have a long, confounding, mind-blowing and rewarding 17 hours ahead of you  :D

For the note, I'm a Lynchian, love the previous Twin Peaks (though I share similar feelings about the soap-opera elements) and I feel Season Three is not only the best Twin Peaks season but possibly the top thing he's done in his career (which I wouldn't just simply say).

Hope you enjoy it!  :)

Also, keep in the back of your mind:

1. A lot of things have happened in 25 years
2. There is a lot of world-building/expanding going on that you won't comprehend fully till you're further through the series
3. Not everything needs to be black/white explained, it's Lynch afterall

;D

Quote from: Le Moderniste on November 22, 2017, 02:10:14 AM
There are a lot of things that may shock you (gladly, as it's not a show that "plays by the rules"), so my advice is to embrace the "confusing and strange". You have a long, confounding, mind-blowing and rewarding 17 hours ahead of you  :D

For the note, I'm a Lynchian, love the previous Twin Peaks (though I share similar feelings about the soap-opera elements) and I feel Season Three is not only the best Twin Peaks season but possibly the top thing he's done in his career (which I wouldn't just simply say).

Hope you enjoy it!  :)

My sister watched this on Netflix ages ago and mentioned that even space is visited, but I thought it's mainly Twin Peaks + visit in "space" inside someone's twisted mind, not New York! The first episode was very bold departure from season 1-2 stylistically (just watched them prior to season 3) and they don't seem to worry about people finding season 3 too different.

Thanks, next night I will see episode two, this time perhaps less shocked about the difference of style.  ;)

Quote from: Le Moderniste on November 22, 2017, 02:12:55 AM
Also, keep in the back of your mind:

1. A lot of things have happened in 25 years
2. There is a lot of world-building/expanding going on that you won't comprehend fully till you're further through the series
3. Not everything needs to be black/white explained, it's Lynch afterall

;D

1. I get that! However, Lucy and Andy are still the same lovable dummies...  ;D
2. Clearly this is the case. Can you blame me for being surprised because maybe 99 % of seasons 1-2 happen in Twin Peaks. Also, I didn't spoil myself about season 3. All I knew was what my sister mentioned about space being one "location" so I pretty much assumed to see mainly the familiar Twin Peaks locations, just 25 years later. Sure, episode 1 had that, but not much compared to the New York stuff...
3. Of course not! Mulholland Drive is one of my top favorite movies. I don't mind "unexplained" stuff.

I've just finished Season 3 and I feel empty.

I think I went through it too hastily (5 days) and need to see it again, maybe already this year (autumn and winter will be fine ;)).

Like 71 dB, I missed the 'cosiness' of Season 1 & 2. Those seasons gave us a weird soap opera, but, in those early nineties, me and a few other college boyz and girlz, almost considered the Twin Peaks population as our own family.

Season 3 was more Lynch than Twin Peaks.
More Fire, Walk With Me than Damn good coffee!. (Even though the coffee still tasted good.)

I remember being very moved and comforted at the end of Fire, Walk With Me.
But this time, I felt mostly empty. Despite the feeling of an urgent need to help Coop and Laura.

I'm not sure about my sentiments, but i hope that Lynch lives to make a Fourth.
What Year Is This?
OMG, he's 72.

Quote from: Marc on April 16, 2018, 08:06:58 AM
I've just finished Season 3 and I feel empty.

I think I went through it too hastily (5 days) and need to see it again, maybe already this year (autumn and winter will be fine ;)).

Like 71 dB, I missed the 'cosiness' of Season 1 & 2. Those seasons gave us a weird soap opera, but, in those early nineties, me and a few other college boyz and girlz, almost considered the Twin Peaks population as our own family.

Season 3 was more Lynch than Twin Peaks.
More Fire, Walk With Me than Damn good coffee!. (Even though the coffee still tasted good.)

I remember being very moved and comforted at the end of Fire, Walk With Me.
But this time, I felt mostly empty. Despite the feeling of an urgent need to help Coop and Laura.

I'm not sure about my sentiments, but i hope that Lynch lives to make a Fourth.
What Year Is This?
OMG, he's 72.

I'm watching it for the second time now - to introduce my wife. We also recently watched the original series. Now we're coming to E9 of season 3. E8 was one of the most chilling and beautiful productions I've ever seen on TV. Magical. 3 is a different series - that's true. In a way, I feel like it's imperfections are part of the process, necessary for it to be what it is. To me, TP is about a feeling, a sense, an aesthetic effect conveyed through sight and sound and the plot and characters are in service to this. On the other hand, Lynch goes out of his way to bring in some of the old characters, even when they don't seem germane. I also hope they do another one. I read somewhere that they might but that S3 took 4 years to write.   

Quote from: milk on April 17, 2018, 02:32:28 AM
E8 was one of the most chilling and beautiful productions I've ever seen on TV. Magical.

3 is a different series - that's true.

2 things that are 100% true, milk. E8 was easily the best 1 hour of TV in 2017, maybe even a better 1 hour than any movie offered as well.
And I think truly Lynch set out to make a different series, and the different approach of exploration for these characters, locations and storytelling for me is what made it so enjoyable.

It's been 8 months since it ended and I still cant shake that final moment, so haunting, so mysterious...so Lynch. I would fine if that is how Twin Peaks bows out, but I know Lynch has said he's done with movies so perhaps he will write some more for Coop. Maybe we can find out what year it really is. 

I purchased the Blue Ray set of "TP: The Return" and have been going through it again, in pieces really. Another scene that amazes me is in Ep.16 with Coop's goodbye to Naomi Watts and Sonny-Jim in the middle of the casino. Lynch can always create such tender moments amid such chaos, and this is a perfect example. It reminded me Jeffrey and Sandy dancing to Julee Cruise at the basement party in Blue Velvet, or in Mulholland Drive with Laura Harring taking Naomi Watts by the hand out of the limo and walking her up a hill to house party on a "secret path" while Angelo Badalamenti's dark strings accompanies.

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on April 17, 2018, 08:18:22 PM
2 things that are 100% true, milk. E8 was easily the best 1 hour of TV in 2017, maybe even a better 1 hour than any movie offered as well.
And I think truly Lynch set out to make a different series, and the different approach of exploration for these characters, locations and storytelling for me is what made it so enjoyable.

It's been 8 months since it ended and I still cant shake that final moment, so haunting, so mysterious...so Lynch. I would fine if that is how Twin Peaks bows out, but I know Lynch has said he's done with movies so perhaps he will write some more for Coop. Maybe we can find out what year it really is. 

I purchased the Blue Ray set of "TP: The Return" and have been going through it again, in pieces really. Another scene that amazes me is in Ep.16 with Coop's goodbye to Naomi Watts and Sonny-Jim in the middle of the casino. Lynch can always create such tender moments amid such chaos, and this is a perfect example. It reminded me Jeffrey and Sandy dancing to Julee Cruise at the basement party in Blue Velvet, or in Mulholland Drive with Laura Harring taking Naomi Watts by the hand out of the limo and walking her up a hill to house party on a "secret path" while Angelo Badalamenti's dark strings accompanies.

I'm excited to see the ending again and see what I make of it. I have a feeling my wife won't be happy about it. I'm trying to prepare her subtly for the idea that Lynch is always more about a puzzle than a solution.

Quote from: milk on April 18, 2018, 12:34:56 AM
I'm excited to see the ending again and see what I make of it. I have a feeling my wife won't be happy about it. I'm trying to prepare her subtly for the idea that Lynch is always more about a puzzle than a solution.

I watched the final 2 episodes again, and actually I'm more happy with some 'results' at the end of S3.

I do recall that, in the early 1990s, when we were discussing the series weekly with a group of fellow students (such great fun), one of our questions was: why does Donna Hayward keep referring to "it's like a dream" or "it's like a beautiful nightmare"?

In the prequel, Phillip Jeffries says "we live inside a dream".

After seeing the prequel, I probably listened to the song 'Exquisite Corpse' by Bauhaus, with its repeated line "Life is but a dream". ;)

Anyway, almost suddenly I do think that Season 3 could be a great 'closing' of the entire series. What better way to end it with Laura's shattering (both primal and final) scream?

Maybe it will be even more satisfying after reading Mark Frost's Final Dossier. That's gonna be my next (and final?) step. :)

I really hated the Dougie stuff. Though I liked much of S3, especially Ep.8, I'll never be able to sit through Dougie again.

Quote from: SimonNZ on April 20, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
I really hated the Dougie stuff. Though I liked much of S3, especially Ep.8, I'll never be able to sit through Dougie again.

I reject hate.
The foundation of such a method is love.

:)

Quote from: SimonNZ on April 20, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
I really hated the Dougie stuff. Though I liked much of S3, especially Ep.8, I'll never be able to sit through Dougie again.

Again.

Quote from: Crudblud on April 20, 2018, 08:43:39 AM
Again.

??

Quote from: SimonNZ on April 20, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
I really hated the Dougie stuff. Though I liked much of S3, especially Ep.8, I'll never be able to sit through Dougie again.

Quote from: Crudblud on April 20, 2018, 08:43:39 AM
Again.

Quote from: SimonNZ on April 20, 2018, 02:12:16 PM
??

LOL.

Like Dale Cooper, man:
just keep on trying again. ;)
(TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN.)

Seriously: watched the entire third season again (for the 2nd time), and ep. 17 & 18 for the 4th time.
One time I'm at peace with the ending, the other time I'm most definitely not.

Some examples that especially disturb me: the large transparent face of Cooper in the background in ep. 17, watching almost helplessly how things evolve. And yet they seem to evolve in such a good way, with the Doppelgänger getting shot by Lucy, Bob getting beat by Fast Freddie, Naido turning into Diane, et cetera.
Who is the real Cooper? The one 'in action', or the one watching helplessly?

Other examples: Cooper trying to change Laura's fate in the past, and then losing her in the woods.
And then, in the finale, still believing (dreaming?) he saved her in the past, finding out that there is no Palmer family in 'da house'.
Is Laura screaming to get her dirt finally out?
Or is she screaming to make the story start all over again?

Also troubling: Cooper returning (again) to the waiting room... same things happen (more or less) as in ep. 1. Or is he really returning? Has the real Cooper ever gotten out? Has he always been watching helplessly, as The Dreamer?
Will Cooper be locked for the rest of his 'life' and dream over and over again about beloved troubled women who, in the end, can't be saved by him or by any 'alter ego', despite his good will?
Caroline, Annie, Laura, Diane, Audrey (in a different way). It's not a happy list.
OTOH: he managed to comfort Laura (or her soul) though (in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me), and helped her realize that she is not evil. (The ending of this movie brought me to tears, which doesn't happen very often.)

I almost got the feeling that Lynch wanted to send a feminist message: girls, when you're in trouble, don't rely on the Good Man to help you, better try to save yourself.

Anyway, despite (or maybe thanks to) all these questions I still say: Twin Peaks is the best I ever saw on telly.

As Dutch poet Rutger Kopland once wrote:
Geef mij
maar een vraag en geen antwoord.

Just give me
a question, no answer.

Quote from: Marc on June 05, 2018, 10:49:54 AM
LOL.

Like Dale Cooper, man:
just keep on trying again. ;)
(TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN.)

Seriously: watched the entire third season again (for the 2nd time), and ep. 17 & 18 for the 4th time.
One time I'm at peace with the ending, the other time I'm most definitely not.

Some examples that especially disturb me: the large transparent face of Cooper in the background in ep. 17, watching almost helplessly how things evolve. And yet they seem to evolve in such a good way, with the Doppelgänger getting shot by Lucy, Bob getting beat by Fast Freddie, Naido turning into Diane, et cetera.
Who is the real Cooper? The one 'in action', or the one watching helplessly?

Other examples: Cooper trying to change Laura's fate in the past, and then losing her in the woods.
And then, in the finale, still believing (dreaming?) he saved her in the past, finding out that there is no Palmer family in 'da house'.
Is Laura screaming to get her dirt finally out?
Or is she screaming to make the story start all over again?

Also troubling: Cooper returning (again) to the waiting room... same things happen (more or less) as in ep. 1. Or is he really returning? Has the real Cooper ever gotten out? Has he always been watching helplessly, as The Dreamer?
Will Cooper be locked for the rest of his 'life' and dream over and over again about beloved troubled women who, in the end, can't be saved by him or by any 'alter ego', despite his good will?
Caroline, Annie, Laura, Diane, Audrey (in a different way). It's not a happy list.
OTOH: he managed to comfort Laura (or her soul) though (in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me), and helped her realize that she is not evil. (The ending of this movie brought me to tears, which doesn't happen very often.)

I almost got the feeling that Lynch wanted to send a feminist message: girls, when you're in trouble, don't rely on the Good Man to help you, better try to save yourself.

Anyway, despite (or maybe thanks to) all these questions I still say: Twin Peaks is the best I ever saw on telly.

As Dutch poet Rutger Kopland once wrote:
Geef mij
maar een vraag en geen antwoord.

Just give me
a question, no answer.

Thank you for sharing, Marc!
Eps. 17 & 18, along with Ep. 8, is still the best TV I've seen in years. And I'm still shook by the final scene, and Laura's scream. Badalamenti's music through the final credits, and the soft image of Laura whispering in Cooper's ear, is titled Dark Space Low, and continues to haunt me.

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on June 05, 2018, 10:59:15 AM

Thank you for sharing, Marc!
Eps. 17 & 18, along with Ep. 8, is still the best TV I've seen in years. And I'm still shook by the final scene, and Laura's scream. Badalamenti's music through the final credits, and the soft image of Laura whispering in Cooper's ear, is titled Dark Space Low, and continues to haunt me.

Yes, that final image also makes you think: Cooper is still locked in ... whatever (dream, lodge, waiting room). Everything can happen again... and again... and again...

I managed to stay relaxed during ep. 8 this time (the first time it made me feel very uneasy).
When I think of it now, the (female) Señorita blows (female) Laura to planet earth to fight Evil, not Cooper or another Good Man.
This scene, with the Giant/???/Fireman floating, and the Señorita kissing Laura's golden sphere, combined with the music, is completely awesome. No words can really describe it.

I haven't read much of this thread as I don't want spoilers, but the season 3 dvds just hit my front porch. Looking forward to getting Lynchified all over again over the next few weeks!

Quote from: motoboy on June 05, 2018, 04:42:36 PM
I haven't read much of this thread as I don't want spoilers, but the season 3 dvds just hit my front porch. Looking forward to getting Lynchified all over again over the next few weeks!

Enjoy!

About the origins of the Laura Palmer case:

https://www.thewrap.com/hazel-drew-laura-palmer-twin-peaks-podcast/

https://www.thewrap.com/twin-peaks-origin-story-blonde-beautiful-and-dead-optioned-by-part2-pictures/

Quote from: Marc on June 05, 2018, 10:49:54 AM
LOL.

Like Dale Cooper, man:
just keep on trying again. ;)
(TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN.)

Seriously: watched the entire third season again (for the 2nd time), and ep. 17 & 18 for the 4th time.
One time I'm at peace with the ending, the other time I'm most definitely not.

Some examples that especially disturb me: the large transparent face of Cooper in the background in ep. 17, watching almost helplessly how things evolve. And yet they seem to evolve in such a good way, with the Doppelgänger getting shot by Lucy, Bob getting beat by Fast Freddie, Naido turning into Diane, et cetera.
Who is the real Cooper? The one 'in action', or the one watching helplessly?

Other examples: Cooper trying to change Laura's fate in the past, and then losing her in the woods.
And then, in the finale, still believing (dreaming?) he saved her in the past, finding out that there is no Palmer family in 'da house'.
Is Laura screaming to get her dirt finally out?
Or is she screaming to make the story start all over again?

Also troubling: Cooper returning (again) to the waiting room... same things happen (more or less) as in ep. 1. Or is he really returning? Has the real Cooper ever gotten out? Has he always been watching helplessly, as The Dreamer?
Will Cooper be locked for the rest of his 'life' and dream over and over again about beloved troubled women who, in the end, can't be saved by him or by any 'alter ego', despite his good will?
Caroline, Annie, Laura, Diane, Audrey (in a different way). It's not a happy list.
OTOH: he managed to comfort Laura (or her soul) though (in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me), and helped her realize that she is not evil. (The ending of this movie brought me to tears, which doesn't happen very often.)

I almost got the feeling that Lynch wanted to send a feminist message: girls, when you're in trouble, don't rely on the Good Man to help you, better try to save yourself.

Anyway, despite (or maybe thanks to) all these questions I still say: Twin Peaks is the best I ever saw on telly.

As Dutch poet Rutger Kopland once wrote:
Geef mij
maar een vraag en geen antwoord.

Just give me
a question, no answer.

I now think that 'The Dreamer' is Richard... who is a more or less moderate FBI agent in Texas, having a secret affair (in hotels) with his secretary Linda, and who's dreaming he is a utterly Good FBI Special Case Hero called Dale Cooper.
In the 'real' world, Richard and Linda are real, as is Carrie Page, a waitress in Odessa, Texas, who is getting abused by her husband (and probably has a sad childhood past in those matters, too) and finally kills him.

(More questions I can not answer at the moment. :laugh:)

(Damn good series!! :laugh: again)

Quote from: Marc on December 11, 2018, 09:09:08 AM
I now think that 'The Dreamer' is Richard... who is a more or less moderate FBI agent in Texas, having a secret affair (in hotels) with his secretary Linda, and who's dreaming he is a utterly Good FBI Special Case Hero called Dale Cooper.
In the 'real' world, Richard and Linda are real, as is Carrie Page, a waitress in Odessa, Texas, who is getting abused by her husband (and probably has a sad childhood past in those matters, too) and finally kills him.

[...]

And, a few minutes after writing down this 'certain' clue, I already have my doubts again. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

But the "damn, this ain't Coop" thoughts especially raised when rewatching the café's scene in Odessa, with the asshole cowboys.

After watching the final episodes of S3 again... I feel more and more satisfied with the Finale.

I begin to think that Carry/Laura is in fact fulfilling the mission of The Señorita & The Fireman (AKA ? ? ? ? ? ? ? AKA The Giant ;)), that was given to her in episode 8 of S3 (the golden orb), i.c. the destruction of the Mother of Evil.
And I applaud Lynch/Frost for the way they did it, the way they've managed to create such a mysterious and heartbreaking event of it.

It's true though: Laura is The One. :-*

Even without the sad fact that too many actors have died after S3, I don't think that a fourth season is needed anymore. Es ist vollbracht.

Are there still some addicted Twin Peaks freaks around here who... are able to share or oppose this? :)

Quote from: Marc on March 23, 2020, 11:26:01 AM
After watching the final episodes of S3 again... I feel more and more satisfied with the Finale.

I begin to think that Carry/Laura is in fact fulfilling the mission of The Señorita & The Fireman (AKA ? ? ? ? ? ? ? AKA The Giant ;)), that was given to her in episode 8 of S3 (the golden orb), i.c. the destruction of the Mother of Evil.
And I applaud Lynch/Frost for the way they did it, the way they've managed to create such a mysterious and heartbreaking event of it.

It's true though: Laura is The One. :-*

Even without the sad fact that too many actors have died after S3, I don't think that a fourth season is needed anymore. Es ist vollbracht.

Are there still some addicted Twin Peaks freaks around here who... are able to share or oppose this? :)

I have to say I didn't understand much about S3, but I enjoyed it a lot nevertheless. I fear that if Twin Peaks returns with another Season, Disney has bought the franchise and Kathleen Kennedy turns it into a SJW-cringefest... ...as she did with Star Wars... :P

Quote from: 71 dB on March 23, 2020, 12:12:08 PM
I have to say I didn't understand much about S3, but I enjoyed it a lot nevertheless. I fear that if Twin Peaks returns with another Season, Disney has bought the franchise and Kathleen Kennedy turns it into a SJW-cringefest... ...as she did with Star Wars... :P

Now don't you make fun of my fav show!

I was highly sceptical about this gargantuous video essay – as I usually am when it comes to YouTube rants & people trying to explain Lynch – but it really is a masterclass in decrypting the whole Twin Peaks enigma:

https://www.youtube.com/v/7AYnF5hOhuM

Can't recommend it highly enough. The guys seems annoying at first but he lays it out beautifully. Judy, Laura, evil doppelgängers, garmonbozia.. it all falls in place in a way that's been in front of our eyes the whole time. Well worth the 4+ hours.

Quote from: Rinaldo on March 24, 2020, 07:57:51 AM
I was highly sceptical about this gargantuous video essay – as I usually am when it comes to YouTube rants & people trying to explain Lynch – but it really is a masterclass in decrypting the whole Twin Peaks enigma:

https://www.youtube.com/v/7AYnF5hOhuM

Can't recommend it highly enough. The guys seems annoying at first but he lays it out beautifully. Judy, Laura, evil doppelgängers, garmonbozia.. it all falls in place in a way that's been in front of our eyes the whole time. Well worth the 4+ hours.

Thanks!
Watched only the last 5 minutes (yeah I know, I'm a cheater). Maybe, when I'm old and grey, I will watch the entire clip. ;)
At least I agree with him on one thing: season 3 is the end.

My 'explanation' is far more simple (of course): Laura/Carry hears Cooper's frustation ("what year is this?"), the she hears her mother's voice in a blurred way inside the house of evil (Judy)... she suddenly remembers the entire story, screams as if it happened again and she finally wants to get rid of it, and with her scream she ends the story/dream/nightmare, but, most importantly: the evil (Judy), which had gotten hold of her mother. Electricity gone, evil's gone, , everything over, we can all go to bed and sleep safely. Not Cooper is the (super) hero, but Laura is The One.

As I said before:

Quote from: Marc on June 05, 2018, 10:49:54 AM
[...]
I almost got the feeling that Lynch wanted to send a feminist message: girls, when you're in trouble, don't rely on the Good Man to help you, better try to save yourself.

And I also still agree with this:

Quote
Anyway, despite (or maybe thanks to) all these questions I still say: Twin Peaks is the best I ever saw on telly.

(No matter how many answers can be found, in either the 'real world', 'Twin Peaks', the 'Imaginitive world' or whatever.)

Mind you: this book helps a lot, too... actually, I think it's a must-read for Twin Peaks addicts.

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on November 21, 2017, 03:40:23 AM
I bought Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier. Haven't read it yet. Does anyone else have it?

Sarge

And if you really want to have fun: read Mark Frost's The Secret History of Twin Peaks.
Twin Peaks is not just on a screen, man... it's reality!