Poll
Question:
What are You?
Option 1: Proletarian
votes: 2
Option 2: Lower Middle Class
votes: 5
Option 3: Higher Middle Class
votes: 8
Option 4: Bourgeois
votes: 1
Option 5: Aristocrat
votes: 0
Option 6: Asshole
votes: 4
Option 7: Stinking rich
votes: 0
LMC --- and proud!
I know this is for fun rather than scientific study, but the classification items are not mutually exclusive (or jointly covering the entire sample.) It is because they are not based on a single, same factor. Ie. Classification for automobiles owned, red car (color), Japanese (nation), sedan (shape), diesel, etc.
Plus, Bourgeoisie may mean rich class for non-French speaking people though it may mean middle class to some people.
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on May 30, 2021, 01:05:24 PM
I know this is for fun rather than scientific study,
Precisely --- vote accorrdingly!
Quote from: Florestan on May 30, 2021, 01:08:04 PM
Precisely --- vote accorrdingly!
I didn't see A**hole, so I need time to pick the most accurate category for me.
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on May 30, 2021, 01:05:24 PM
Bourgeoisie may mean rich class for non-French speaking people though it may mean middle class to some people.
True.
Whatever, pick your choice or explain your choice.
8)
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on May 30, 2021, 01:10:19 PM
I didn't see A**hole, so I need time to pick the most accurate category for me.
Fixed.
Quote from: Florestan on May 30, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
Fixed.
I was pleasantly surprised to see that you kindly added a category of asshole for me, and potentially some other members. This is what I call camaraderie. Thanks a lot and God bless you.
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on May 30, 2021, 01:14:55 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to see that you kindly added a category of asshole for me, and potentially some other members.
I aim to please!
QuoteThis is what I call camaraderie. Thanks a lot and God bless you.
You too, my friend, you too!
Strictly speaking by US income calculations, I chose higher middle class as I am in the top 25-30% of salary earners, but besides going on very nice vacations, eating very nice food, and listening to lots of classical music, I do not live like a higher middle class person. Rent a small 75 year old house, drive a bad old car, don't have a lot of fancy clothes, don't buy a new iPhone every single year, save or donate around 20-25% of my income, etc.
Champagne Socialist.
Quote from: Mandryka on May 31, 2021, 12:08:14 PM
Champagne Socialist.
Aka
caviar left, right? ;)
Iow,
bourgeois through and through. ;D
Quote from: Florestan on June 01, 2021, 08:32:20 AM
Aka caviar left, right? ;)
Not in English as far as I know.
When I was a university teacher I remember a student, a communist student, once accused me of being an academic member of the lumpen proletariat.
Quote from: Mandryka on June 01, 2021, 08:34:12 AM
When I was a university teacher I remember a student once accused me of being an academic member of the lumpen proletariat.
And I think he was absolutely right.
Champagne Socialist - a person who espouses socialist ideals while enjoying a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle.It's you all right, ain't it?
>:D :P
Quote from: Florestan on June 01, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
And I think he was absolutely right.
Champagne Socialist - a person who espouses socialist ideals while enjoying a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle.
It's you all right, ain't it?
>:D :P
Slightly wealthier since my friend Petru introduced me to Tamaioasa Romaneasca. Very tasty and dirt cheap compared with Alsace Gewurtztraminer.
Champagne Socialist definitely!
;D
Quote from: Mandryka on June 01, 2021, 08:40:30 AM
Slightly wealthier since my friend Petru introduced me to Tamaioasa Romaneasca. Very tasty and dirt cheap compared with Alsace Gewurtztraminer.
Hah! :)
Well, I I like
Gewürztraminer, I really do --- but
Tămâioasă Românească is indeed something else.
Now that I think of my original question in a slightly more serious way, I can split my answer in several categories.
My attitude towards money is rather aristocratic --- I never do any bookkeeping and I never refrain from buying whatever I fancy buying at the time --- and not only myself, but I also enocurage and support my wife and son to do the same. Needless to say, we live on perpetual bank debt. Also, I never refrain from lending to relatives, friends or even simple acquaintances --- even though I have had bad experiences in the past.
My attitude towards social values is rather bourgeois --- convinced familist which occasionally peeps porn. No gay marriage and adoptions whatsoever, no abortions save in extreme cases, convinced yet not very church-going Christian, anti-PC, anti-SJW.
My attitude towards politics is rather aristocratic again --- the best regime imo is a constitutional monarchy, where the hereditary head of state is not only far and above petty political quarrels but alos able and willing to curtail the power of sectiional parties in the interest of the society as a whole if need be.
Quote from: vandermolen on June 01, 2021, 08:55:53 AM
Champagne Socialist definitely!
;D
I won't add a new option, though --- in my book,
Champagne Socialist is
Higher Middle Class / Bourgeois.
;D
Quote from: Florestan on June 01, 2021, 09:17:43 AM
I won't add a new option, though --- in my book, Champagne Socialist is Higher Middle Class / Bourgeois.
;D
My daughter put it as her 'Facebook status' a few years ago after I accused her of being one when, despite being deeply concerned with social/political injustice, she attended the 'Henley Regatta' - a very posh event on the Thames.
(//)
Interesting, what you Europeans call a "Champagne socialist" we Americans call a "limousine liberal." Though Champagne drinking is surely more common than limousine riding!
Quote from: vandermolen on June 01, 2021, 09:26:24 AM
My daughter put it as her 'Facebook status' a few years ago after I accused her of being one when, despite being deeply concerned with social/political injustice, she attended the 'Henley Regatta' - a very posh event on the Thames.
(//)
Don't get me wrong, Jeffrey, your daughter is a very classy lady which I'd be honored to meet --- but politically I'd rather take a sincere, committed and poor-as-a-church-mouse Socialist / Communist over her "Socialism".
;D
Quote from: Brian on June 01, 2021, 09:39:35 AM
Interesting, what you Europeans call a "Champagne socialist" we Americans call a "limousine liberal." Though Champagne drinking is surely more common than limousine riding!
Well, yes --- and this shows that Socialism proper is much more commonly accepted in Europe than in the USA. :D
Look, guys, let me tell you this. I don't identify as a Socialist at all. I identify myself as a Liberal in the strict Romanian tradition --- which would translate roughly as a Christian-Democrat in Germany and Italy and as a centrist (possibly slightly left-wing) Conservative in the USA. Now, the husband of my paternal aunt is Spanish; he has been a card-carrying Socialist since 1970s (Franco time) until recently --- yet when I told him that, in case of conflict between liberty or equality I'm on principle on the side of liberty, he agreed wholeheartedly. You tell me, dear friends: is he a closet Liberal or am I a closet Socialist? (I tend to the former).
Quote from: vandermolen on June 01, 2021, 08:55:53 AM
Champagne Socialist definitely!
;D
Me too - except I can't afford champagne. Prosecco Socialist.
Some would say I'm the last choice on the list......
Quote from: DaveF on June 01, 2021, 12:19:15 PM
Me too - except I can't afford champagne. Prosecco Socialist.
Yes, I can't afford it either!
;D
Quote from: Florestan on June 01, 2021, 09:41:59 AM
Don't get me wrong, Jeffrey, your daughter is a very classy lady which I'd be honored to meet --- but politically I'd rather take a sincere, committed and poor-as-a-church-mouse Socialist / Communist over her "Socialism".
;D
Haha - I agree with you Andrei! Despite once attending the Henley Regatta she is not really a Champagne Socialist and has worked for MSF in Eastern Ukraine and a disability charity in India - probably I am more of a CS than she is. :)
Quote from: Brian on June 01, 2021, 09:39:35 AM
Interesting, what you Europeans call a "Champagne socialist" we Americans call a "limousine liberal." Though Champagne drinking is surely more common than limousine riding!
After posting last night I came across another term for it - Bollinger Bolshevik.
Cheapest bottom shelf merlot socialist.
So I voted proletarian.
Quote from: DaveF on June 01, 2021, 11:27:35 PM
After posting last night I came across another term for it - Bollinger Bolshevik.
That's great!
From online Oxford Reference:
Bollinger Bolshevism
An alternative and somewhat more extreme term for champagne socialism (Bollinger is a particularly distinguished and expensive Champagne marque; see ...
I don't see "stinking rich" among the choices... ::)
Quote from: ritter on June 02, 2021, 03:22:04 AM
I don't see "stinking rich" among the choices... ::)
Maybe because
pecunia non olet. 😉
Quote from: Florestan on June 01, 2021, 09:41:59 AM
Don't get me wrong, Jeffrey, your daughter is a very classy lady which I'd be honored to meet --- but politically I'd rather take a sincere, committed and poor-as-a-church-mouse Socialist / Communist over her "Socialism".
;D
Poverty is indeed best left to church mice.
Quote from: ritter on June 02, 2021, 03:22:04 AM
I don't see "stinking rich" among the choices... ::)
Fixed.
Quote from: Florestan on June 03, 2021, 04:21:24 AM
Fixed.
Good! Let's see if the option gets a vote (it won't be mine, unfortunately ;).
Good day to you,
Andrei.
As I never learnt Latin at school, lower middle class.
Once on a national tour of Blood Brothers years ago, one of the cast said to me that "you and your kind will be first against the wall come the revolution". To this day I have no idea what "my kind" was or whether it was a wider comment on the quality (or lack of) in my violin playing.
Quote from: vandermolen on June 01, 2021, 09:26:24 AM
My daughter put it as her 'Facebook status' a few years ago after I accused her of being one when, despite being deeply concerned with social/political injustice, she attended the 'Henley Regatta' - a very posh event on the Thames.
(//)
I don't know about those pink pants, Jeffrey.
Quote from: ritter on June 02, 2021, 03:22:04 AM
I don't see "stinking rich" among the choices... ::)
I suppose it is synonymous with Aristocrat.
Quote from: (: premont :) on June 06, 2021, 06:30:58 AM
I suppose it is synonymous with Aristocrat.
Why, of course: Jeff von Bezos, Bill de Gates, Warren Duke of Buffett... :D