Elgar, as good a composer as......

[karlhenning]

There are many that enjoy Dittersdorf, and the term mediocrity holds no meaning.

The two parts of that sentence do not match as you think they might, Harry.

[springrite]

Ditters is the true poster child of mediocrity.

Sure to be a crowded poster...

[Harry]

No. And for someone who claims he's not being interpreted correctly, you ought to make sure you're interpreting others correctly. My position is and always has been, as I've stated frequently on these forums, that the music that is most valuable is that which has stood the test of time because the collective judgment of generations of discriminating music lovers has so found it. It is not my personal opinion that matters at all in the matter, still less the opinion of "freethinkers" who parade their peculiar tastes as if they were gospel.

Okay if I interpretate wrong I stand corrected, sure I will.
Test of time however doesn't mean automatically that is good or bad, even if a lot of people think its good., or bad..
Then Johann Strauss music is very good, cause a lot of people love it, and so it has stood the test of time....
Thanks to Andre....!
I am a bit of a freethinker also Larry, we tend to side....

[johnQpublic]

Sure to be a crowded poster...

And conversely, a pedastal can only hold but a few.

[Harry]

Precisely. Your stated policy is that you do not discriminate. Apparently no music is better than any other to you (except, it would seem, Mozart's operas, which you give away, and anything involving sopranos). A purely solipsistic approach.

Well I am sorry, but somehow these things are not to be connected in this way.
The discrimination is mine, and I let other people love it, so I send it to people that enjoy it, I simply don't.
That is not a statement about the quality of the music, simply my opinion....

[Harry]

The two parts of that sentence do not match as you think they might, Harry.

Well in my perception they do......

[Harry]

And conversely, a pedastal can only hold but a few.

[71 dB]

Wow! 

Thanks Harry for your support! It's not easy to defend a guy like me. If you wonder why I have been quiet here lately it's because I started an employment program that hopefully brings me a new job. I am busy these days.

I admit I have been a jackass. I hope my increased absence will stop all the pointless Elgar discussion and people could talk about this composer again without bashing. I am studying marketing in my program so hopefully I learn how to promote Elgar in ways that do not irritate people.

I talk about free-thinking. I really feel people in general are not that free mentally. Some people believe in authorities, others in established interpretations. I was raised up in a family where everything was questioned and what is said is more important than who says it. It's in my personality to provoke people to free their thinking, to see the forest without the trees. I know people are annoyed by this but this has been normal to me my whole life. I have been different always.

[karlhenning]

Thanks Harry for your support! It's not easy to defend a guy like me.

It's all right; Harry thinks everyone is a great guy. It's nothing personal, Poju 

I talk about free-thinking. I really feel people in general are not that free mentally.

Now, take a good long look in the mirror, and say that.

That's the boy!

[Harry]

It's all right; Harry thinks everyone is a great guy. It's nothing personal, Poju 

Now, take a good long look in the mirror, and say that.

That's the boy!

I have to object Karl, I don't think everyone is a great guy, far from it, but I hate it when stronger boys attack someone who cannot defend him self as he should. But Poju will learn how to do that, in the mean time I help him.....
Give love, and you meet love...most of the time...

[Harry]

Wow! 

Thanks Harry for your support! It's not easy to defend a guy like me.

Your welcome Poju, and you know they are all bears without teeth or claws, so it was a easy game....

[Harry]

Wow! 


I really feel people in general are not that free mentally. Some people believe in authorities,

You hit the nail right on its head Poju, that is absolutely true!

[Larry Rinkel]

It's all right; Harry thinks everyone is a great guy. It's nothing personal, Poju 

He certainly doesn't think I'm a great guy . . . .

[Kullervo]

Your welcome Poju, and you know they are all bears without teeth or claws, so it was a easy game....

Surely, the danger of a bear doesn't lie solely in its teeth or claws!

[karlhenning]

. . . I hate it when stronger boys attack someone who cannot defend him self as he should.

But that description of Poju's activities here is all vapor, Harry:

Please. Noble as all these sentiments undoubtedly are, you are all overlooking the fact that Mr. Poju has insisted on referring to those who do not share his peculiar tastes as "brainwashed" and incapable of experiencing music with the fine degree of "sophistication" that only the "free-thinking" Poju brings to the table. He has also insisted on hijacking threads, such as the recent Bruckner/Mahler discussion, to turn them into referenda on the music of Edward Elgar. Had he not insisted at every turn on being provoking, had he simply stated he thinks Elgar's music is underrated and why, he could have made a better life for himself on this forum. But if someone is going to start calling experienced listeners "brainwashed" and the like, and will not desist despite all attempts to reason with him, he can't be too surprised if others fight back.

And Poju has at least some sense of his own culpability here:

I admit I have been a jackass.

[Don]

He certainly doesn't think I'm a great guy . . . .

I think you're a great guy most of the time.

[Harry]

He certainly doesn't think I'm a great guy . . . .

That's not right Larry, I respect your knowledge, and bright postings about a lot of music.
You are as important a knowledge giver as others I respect....

[Larry Rinkel]

I admit I have been a jackass.

See, there is agreement here!

I am studying marketing in my program so hopefully I learn how to promote Elgar in ways that do not irritate people.

A worthy agenda!

I talk about free-thinking. I really feel people in general are not that free mentally. Some people believe in authorities, others in established interpretations. I was raised up in a family where everything was questioned and what is said is more important than who says it. It's in my personality to provoke people to free their thinking, to see the forest without the trees. I know people are annoyed by this but this has been normal to me my whole life. I have been different always.

Another variation on: "You're all brainwashed."

[Larry Rinkel]

I think you're a great guy most of the time.

I'm just feeling the love . . . . 

[Harry]

Wow! 


I admit I have been a jackass. I

No more than others Poju.....