Brahms Solo Piano Works

[George]

I don't play piano, so I'm constantly surprised by the extent to which the score underdetermines the performance. Contrast

Ignaz Tiegerman in Op 118/5 (which I only discovered yesterday )

thanks, Mandryka. This Tiegerman 188 Nr 5 is a great joy.

Do you mean Op.118/6? I don't see an Op.118/5 for that pianist.

[MickeyBoy]

Do you mean Op.118/6? I don't see an Op.118/5 for that pianist.

Ooops, sorry. I meant Op 118 Nr 5.  Mandryka sent a link to a wonderful performance by I. Tiegerman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywuTgwaRjN0

[amw]

Ok minor pet peeve re Brahms Handel Variations:

Way too many pianists slow down to heck for the big climactic variation 25—not sure whether they think that makes it grander and more impressive, or they're just worried about missing one of the left hand leaps.

[audio]https://www.dropbox.com/s/lxpacrt3hoszrwn/01-01%20-%20Unknown%20Artist%20-%20Unknown%20Title%281%29.mp3?raw=1[/audio]


It should be the same tempo as the previous two variations (which, by the way, is Vivace). Otherwise I feel like most of the effect is lost. Pianists should take heed from Julius Katchen, who wasn't afraid of a few missed notes in the interests of maintaining the musical line.

[audio]https://www.dropbox.com/s/w8n6bd1wihjynnm/01-01%20-%20Unknown%20Artist%20-%20Unknown%20Title.mp3?raw=1[/audio]

[snyprrr]

I heard her Bach. I found it to be dreadful. Nothing to do with my "misogyny", but i know its pointless to escape the charge, so believe what you want to believe. Feminism and other forms of modern relativism are the least of my concerns this days. Not after discovering the works of Rene Guenon and Frithjof Schuon. I've long since transcended neo-Platonism, and i would include Weininger in the latter, due to the new vistas opened by their work.

That said, anybody who ends up being mentioned on Oprah is going to have an hard time with me, female or either wise.

AH, THE GOOD OLE DAYS

[Karl Henning]

I found it to be dreadful. Nothing to do with my "misogyny"

Nothing like answering an imaginable charge, to give rise to the suspicion, is there?

[Madiel]

Nothing like answering an imaginable charge, to give rise to the suspicion, is there?

Actually it was a direct response to an accusation of misogyny.

It's also 5 years ago, from a poster who said something far more objectionable when claiming that op.5 qualified as late Brahms.

[Jo498]

I had not yet joined the forum when "Josquin" was active but one could  assume that he might have meant the one with op.5 being "late" jokingly while he apparently did mean his many reactionary remarks seriously.

[Madiel]

I had not yet joined the forum when "Josquin" was active but one could  assume that he might have meant the one with op.5 being "late" jokingly while he apparently did mean his many reactionary remarks seriously.

Why could one assume that? Because we assume people wouldn't seriously say something so ridiculous?

This is pretty much how we got the current President of the USA. Just saying.

[Jo498]

As Josquin seemed rather earnest most of the time, one can of course also assume that he meant the "late Brahms" remark seriously. Apparently he meant #78 seriously where he basically trashes Arrau, Katchen and others. But the remark on op.5 seems somewhat flippant to me, so because it is also obviously wrong in the way a judgment of taste on Arrau's playing is not, I found it not unlikely that this one might not have been meant seriously.

[Karl Henning]

Actually it was a direct response to an accusation of misogyny.

Ah, well, thanks for the clarification.

[Parsifal]

Actually it was a direct response to an accusation of misogyny.

He was pretty open about his misogyny. Odd that his posts still have active links to his account, but his account does not appear in the member list.

[snyprrr]

Nothing like answering an imaginable charge, to give rise to the suspicion, is there?

Because he asked for examples of GreatWomenComposers to compare with Brahms and Bach? Perhaps it is the Forum that has been feminized by the Frankfurt School, and actually suffers from misandry?

This is pretty much how we got the current President of the USA. Just saying.

MAGA... WOOOOOO, 'MURICA!!

I think it's kind of cool that Donald J. Trump, the 45th President of the United States, can make it into every single Thread on this august Forum. Thanks for paving the way to UniversalCoverage... opps, I mean UniversalConfeve!! I seek a day when EVERY THREAD ON THIS FORUM has been... implanted (you might say "infected") with the seminal traces of our Glorious and Beneficent Leader.

Thanks again



(now I can see how the BlackPlague spread, lol)

[snyprrr]

But, I really was interested in Trump's Brahms's recommends. Someone already said I needed the Katchen set. How bout some cracklin' Brahms in scintillating modern sound? On SONY, or Philips, or....

[Jo498]

FWIW, I am pretty sure Adorno would not have found any female composer the equal of Bach or Beethoven. It really irks me that people who probably have not read a single page of the original writings of Adorno, Horkheimer etc. attribute all contemporary stupidity in some vaguely academic guise to the "Frankfurt school". It is, at best, a trivialized or vulgarized version of some claims of the actual (1920-60s) Frankfurt school, but often not even that.

[George]

But, I really was interested in Trump's Brahms's recommends. Someone already said I needed the Katchen set. How bout some cracklin' Brahms in scintillating modern sound? On SONY, or Philips, or....

[Mandryka]

. How bout some cracklin' Brahms in scintillating modern sound? On SONY, or Philips, or....

 

[snyprrr]

ahhh, yes, just like that, will check....

 

thx

[Todd]

ahhh, yes, just like that, will check....

thx

A ten disc box of all his Brahms recordings is slated for release next month for under $30.

[Parsifal]

There's this:

[asin]B0009A1ALO[/asin]

which I have but haven't listened to. 

[snyprrr]

which I have but haven't listened to. 

oy vey you classical hoaders ... shall I send you a shipping address?