Your 5 favorite symphonic slow movements, post-1950

Started by Archaic Torso of Apollo, June 30, 2014, 07:19:25 PM

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Archaic Torso of Apollo

Inspired by a similar thread, let's prove that the symphonic (or at least orchestral) slow movement is alive and well! My Top 5 as of now:

Carter, "Adagio tenebroso" from Symphonia
Adams, "The Anfortas Wound" from Harmonielehre
Arnold, Andante con moto from Symphony #7
Penderecki, Adagio from Symphony #3
Schnittke, Lento from Symphony #8
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not edward

Keeping it to works which are either called symphonies or are symphonies (no Lontano, for example), two of yours are no-brainers to repeat:

Carter: Adagio tenebroso (Symphonia)
Schnittke: Lento (Symphony #8)
DSCH: Adagio (Symphony #15)
Henze: Ruhig bewegt (Symphony #7)
Gerhard: Adagio (Symphony #1)

What's striking to me is how many of my favourite post-1950 symphonies focus their weight in movements that cannot easily be categorized as either slow or fast (Lutoslawski 3/4, Martinu 6, Tippett 3/4, the later Hartmann symphonies, Norgard 3, even Ustvolskaya--though her symphonies are no more symphonies than Symphonies of Wind Instruments is).
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

Archaic Torso of Apollo

Quote from: edward on July 01, 2014, 07:40:25 AM

DSCH: Adagio (Symphony #15)

I think this would have been no. 6 on my list.

QuoteWhat's striking to me is how many of my favourite post-1950 symphonies focus their weight in movements that cannot easily be categorized as either slow or fast

That's a very pertinent point: overcoming the tyranny of the tempo designation! It certainly does make things more interesting.
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springrite

Maybe not really slow, but that somewhat slow movement from City of Light Symphony Hovhaness
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Archaic Torso of Apollo

Quote from: Velimir on June 30, 2014, 07:19:25 PM
Arnold, Andante con moto from Symphony #7

Quote from: edward on July 01, 2014, 07:40:25 AM
DSCH: Adagio (Symphony #15)

Interesting that these were composed about the same time (early 1970s) and both contain a big trombone solo and share a general mood.
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bwv 1080

Dutilleux: Metaboles II
Carter: Violin Cto:II
Schnittke: Symphony no. 9: I
Lutoslawski: Chain 3 (the slow parts)
Ligeti: Lontano

Sergeant Rock

Rautavaara Symphony No. 3 Langsam, breit, ruhig
Havergal Brian Symphony No.9 A minor Adagio
Vaughan Williams Symphony No.8 D minor Cavatina
Shostakovich Symphony No.15 A major Adagio
Prokofiev Symphony No.7 C sharp Minor Andante espressivo

Sarge
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"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
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Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 02, 2014, 12:43:55 PM
Rautavaara Symphony No. 3 Langsam, breit, ruhig

That's a nice one,

QuoteVaughan Williams Symphony No.8 D minor Cavatina

and so is that, but if I were to choose a VW from this period, it would be the slow mvt. from Sinfonia antartica.
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vandermolen

Definitely agree with slow movement of Symphony No 8 by Vaughan Williams.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

amw

Even broadening it to orchestral music in general, I can't think of a lot.

Tippett Triple Concerto
Poulenc Piano Concerto? That's post-1950 right?
Rubbra 7 (Passacaglia)
Lachenmann Klangschatten - mein Saitenspiel
Does Feldman count? Something by Feldman, maybe Violin and Orchestra
The middle one of Kagel's 3 Etudes for Orchestra possibly. Though he never stays slow for very long

Most of the post-1950 music I like can't really have tempo designations applied to it... and/or isn't for orchestra.

vandermolen

Quote from: amw on July 06, 2014, 03:44:14 AM
Even broadening it to orchestral music in general, I can't think of a lot.

Tippett Triple Concerto
Poulenc Piano Concerto? That's post-1950 right?
Rubbra 7 (Passacaglia)
Lachenmann Klangschatten - mein Saitenspiel
Does Feldman count? Something by Feldman, maybe Violin and Orchestra
The middle one of Kagel's 3 Etudes for Orchestra possibly. Though he never stays slow for very long

Most of the post-1950 music I like can't really have tempo designations applied to it... and/or isn't for orchestra.

Agree with Rubbra Symphony 7, wonderful work.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

kyjo

Arnold 5 (II)
Arnold 9 (IV)
Korngold (III)
Shostakovich 15 (II)
Rubbra 7 (III)

Honorable mentions:
RVW 9 (II)
Adams Harmonielehre (a symphony in all but name) (II)
Arnold 7 (II)
Holmboe 8 (III)
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Sergeant Rock

the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

vandermolen

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Brian

Oddly I feel that contemporary composers are on the whole much better at writing slow music than they are at writing fast music...especially with those still alive, they have a lot easier time compelling me with slow music than with fast for whatever reason.

* = top five overall

Symphonic (Not Symphonies)
*Kernis - musica celestis (free-standing work, arranged from string quartet)
*Rouse - Flute Concerto
*Shostakovich - Piano Concerto No. 2
Leshnoff - Cello Concerto

Definitely Symphonies
*Glass - Symphony No. 3
Rouse - Symphonies Nos. 1 and 4
*Rautavaara - Symphony No. 7
Holmboe - Symphonies Nos. 5 and 8

Maestro267

Very interesting thread idea! I'll have a think about this.

Mirror Image

#16
Let's see...(in no particular order):

Pettersson: Symphony No. 7 (the main slow section towards the end of the work carried only by the strings --- this work is in one movement)
Rouse: Symphony No. 3 (After Prokofiev) (fourth movement - Variation 2)
Tabakova: Cello Concerto (second movement - Longing)
Schnittke: Symphony No. 8 (third movement - Lento)
Silvestrov: Symphony No. 5 (the whole symphony is slow, but the Andante section is what makes my list)

*We all must remember that symphonic doesn't mean 'symphony' but 'relating to or written for a symphony orchestra'. So we don't have to limit our choices to just symphonies, but mine just happened to turn out to be symphony-heavy.

kyjo

Quote from: Brian on October 07, 2017, 06:53:18 AM
*Kernis - musica celestis (free-standing work, arranged from string quartet)

Love this piece! Kernis' Air for violin or cello and orchestra is also deeply felt and moving.
"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" - Sergei Rachmaninoff

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Quote from: kyjo on October 03, 2017, 03:04:44 PM
Arnold 5 (II)
Arnold 9 (IV)
Korngold (III)
Shostakovich 15 (II)
Rubbra 7 (III)

Honorable mentions:
RVW 9 (II)
Adams Harmonielehre (a symphony in all but name) (II)
Arnold 7 (II)
Holmboe 8 (III)

This list wins a rare 100% Endorsement from me!
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"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

aesthetic

#19
5 not mentioned already:

Pärt: Symphony No. 4  (I. Con sublimata)
Rautavaara: Symphony No. 1  (I. Andante)
Gorecki: Symphony No. 3  (II.  Lento e largo—Tranquillissimo)
Glass: Symphony No. 8   (III.)
Martinů: Symphony No. 4  (III. Largo) ... misses the cut by 5 years, but oh well.  ;)

Deserves to be mentioned again:

Rautavaara: Symphony No. 7  (III. Come un sogno)