9/11 was a govt strategy to invade for middle eastern oil, but was it immoral?

[drogulus]

I'm pretty sure a plane did hit the Pentagon.

     I give up. People will believe anything they want on no evidence (because they have the right to, you see?), and won't believe what's right in front of their eyes because the evidence was manipulated by a giant conspiracy that encompasses everyone in the world. Well, I guess I'm in on it, too. We all are, which is why we know about it. So we're all going to be killed to protect the secret from the Area Man in Columbus, Ohio. If he finds out, there'll be hell to pay.

     There's a rebuttal video called Screw Loose Change. You might want to take a look at that.

[head-case]

About three years ago, I had an opportunity to work with a man who had an intimate knowledge of UK Foreign Office affairs. He revealed to me (without naming those specifically involved) that a decision to invade Iraq had been planned and agreed between Britain and America many months before the attacks on the Twin Towers. I've no idea if this is true, but I suppose it's as likely as any of the other crazy notions being advanced.

This seems quite plausible.  Indeed the situation in Iraq before the war was unsustainable, with sanctions causing great suffering to the Iraqi people and Hussein's regime maintaining its tyrannical grip on power, and with regular skirmishes between Hussein's forces and aircraft patrolling the various "no fly zones."   One would think there would be a better way to destabilize that regime, and transition to a more stable situation.  But given the character of the Iraqi people as it has manifested itself since the invasion, I'm not sure that's possible.  Perhaps the best we could have hoped for would be to transform Iraq into a version of Syria, with a more benign dictator than Hussein.

[longears]

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone but planning for various contingencies is a normal function of peacetime defense.  How many plans did the US and USSR develop for war between the superpowers?  And how many of those plans were enacted?  Certainly 9/11 was seized on by the Wolfenstein contingent as an excuse to promote their agenda...but to go from there to claiming that such forces engineered "Twin Towers, Part Deux" is not only nuts, but unfathomably stupid! 

Of course, the unfathomably stupid is commonplace these days, but that's nothing new, either, as any student of history can tell you.

[Sean]

drogulus & fellow nobodies, I'll have a look at that. But it's obviously going to be prepared by people like you and most of the rest of the absolutely brain-dead zombies contributing here, who have nothing but a turkey's identity with their environment and lack anything like genuine critical thinking abilities. You're a useless bunch of non-entities who entirely disgrace art music and the higher cognitive faculties it concerns. I'm disappointed, but it looks like I'm talking to nothing and wasting my time. Forget it and go back to CNN.

[BachQ]

You're a useless bunch of non-entities who entirely disgrace art music and the higher cognitive faculties it concerns.

[Great Gable]

drogulus & fellow nobodies, I'll have a look at that. But it's obviously going to be prepared by people like you and most of the rest of the absolutely brain-dead zombies contributing here, who have nothing but a turkey's identity with their environment and lack anything like genuine critical thinking abilities. You're a useless bunch of non-entities who entirely disgrace art music and the higher cognitive faculties it concerns. I'm disappointed, but it looks like I'm talking to nothing and wasting my time. Forget it and go back to CNN.

Obviously the concept of looking at all sides of an issue and arriving at an informed, intelligent and logical conclusion is totally lost on you Sean. Of all the people who have opined on this issue it is you who looks like a brain-washed paranoid.

Disinformation is not always created and perpetuated by those who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo (ok, I admit I pinched the latter section of that line from "Life of Brian"). Sometimes (shock - horror) it is those who wish to bring society to it's knees that can be guilty of this chicanery.

[Gustav]

Obviously the concept of looking at all sides of an issue and arriving at an informed, intelligent and logical conclusion is totally lost on you Sean. Of all the people who have opined on this issue it is you who looks like a brain-washed paranoid.

Completely agree, I mean how thick is Sean's skin anyways? he leaves once, comes back, leaves again comes backs again.... now he's gone, but let's just hope he is gone for good.

[drogulus]

     Yes, Sean I watch CNN, and I'm not advanced enough to get my news from the kids who produced Loose Change. I'm surprised you don't understand how easy it is to fool people. It's even easier if you cooperate and actually want to be fooled.

      Why should we invade the Middle East to secure the right to buy oil that our enemies have been selling us for decades? Isn't it more likely that we'd invade to get rid of the enemies so they won't spend their oil profits to finance terrorism or war, and to keep them from choking off the oil supply of the entire industrial world? Those seem like good reasons to me. So, if you don't need the convoluted conspiracy reason to explain things, why resort to it when there are actually good reasons that suffice?

      Note that I'm not arguing that what we do in the Middle East is necessarily the right policy, only that there are sound reasons for it that don't require conspiracy thinking to discern. Occam's Razor applies here, I think.

[head-case]

drogulus & fellow nobodies, I'll have a look at that. But it's obviously going to be prepared by people like you and most of the rest of the absolutely brain-dead zombies contributing here, who have nothing but a turkey's identity with their environment and lack anything like genuine critical thinking abilities. You're a useless bunch of non-entities who entirely disgrace art music and the higher cognitive faculties it concerns. I'm disappointed, but it looks like I'm talking to nothing and wasting my time. Forget it and go back to CNN.

Sean is "guest" again.   

[PSmith08]

Sean is "guest" again.   

For a week or two, until the next wave of 'inspiration' hits.

[karlhenning]

For a week or two, until the next wave of 'inspiration' hits.

Gosh, and he worries about wasting his own time . . . .

[Mark]

You're a useless bunch of non-entities who entirely disgrace art music and the higher cognitive faculties it concerns. I'm disappointed.

How high do one's cognitive faculties need to be, Sean, to indulge in sexual tourism and the exploitation of young Far-Eastern girls? You bang on about a lot of philosophical ideas (which you colour with your own misapprehension of the same), expect everyone here - and, presumably, away from here - to subscribe to your notion of how the world works, and you give every evidence that you're one very mixed up and, I'll dare to say, psycho-emotionally unstable individual; someone who needs not our derision or contempt or even pity, but maybe just a hug. None of us is perfect, Sean, but some of us at least are sufficiently self-aware to recognise where lie our faults - mental, emotional and otherwise. I'd urge you to get the help against which you so vehemently rebel, and get yourself back on track ... rather than on top of a hated school building, assault rifle in hand.

[Don]

drogulus & fellow nobodies, I'll have a look at that. But it's obviously going to be prepared by people like you and most of the rest of the absolutely brain-dead zombies contributing here, who have nothing but a turkey's identity with their environment and lack anything like genuine critical thinking abilities. You're a useless bunch of non-entities who entirely disgrace art music and the higher cognitive faculties it concerns.

As I've indicated earlier, you need to address your emotional dysfunction instead of blasting away at other folks.

[BachQ]

As I've indicated earlier, you need to address your emotional dysfunction instead of blasting away at other folks.

Alternatively, Sean could stay the way he is, and we could all modify our collective behaviors to accommodate him ..........

[greg]

Alternatively, Sean could stay the way he is, and we could all modify our collective behaviors to accommodate him ..........

Yes, let's do that one week... then the next week we could modify our collective tastes to match 71db's..... then if Pink Harp comes back, we can all worship Debussy and Wagner..... but if they're all on the forum at the same time, i really don't know what we should do! 

[Florestan]

Sean, you're very sick and in urgent need for treatment. Things are getting worse with you each passing day.

[M forever]

How high do one's cognitive faculties need to be, Sean, to indulge in sexual tourism and the exploitation of young Far-Eastern girls?

Apparently really high. Much higher than the level people like you or me are on. We just have to accept the fact that we can not see the genius behind that.

but maybe just a hug.

That's nice of you to offer him that, but don't let it go further, OK? You don't know what Sean may have caught during his...uh...cultural explorations...

[BachQ]

[Sean's cognitive faculties are] much higher than the level people like you or me are on. We just have to accept the fact that we can not see the genius behind that.

One wonders whether Sean also has the gift for discerning nuanced, multidimensional vibrational fields in music ....... a gift normally reserved for sophisticated freethinkers ..........

[greg]

One wonders whether Sean also has the gift to discern nuanced, multidimensional vibrational fields in music ....... a gift normally reserved for sophisticated freethinkers ..........

yes, possibly...... it's because he doesn't disgrace the higher cognitive faculties that music concerns which gives him the power of multidimensional vibrational field comprehension.

[knight66]

Might as well put it all on hold again guys until Sean passes through our orbit once more; possibly next week.

Mike