And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[JBS]

So why did Trump win? Why would people vote for an "outsider" for an desparate attempt to have change if corporate centrists govern so well? Wouldn't corporate centrist Hillary Clinton have been a much "safer" option? Kind of the same as Obama, only a woman. Maybe people hated Hillary because they are sick and tired of the corruption and they were disappointed to Obama who wasn't lefty enough (Obama campaigned as a lefty, but governed as a centrist and couldn't do even public option with super majority, instead did Republican healthcare plan to secure the interests of insurance companies).

Why has the salaries stagnated for 40 years? Why does the richest people have lower tax rate than middle class? Why do millions of people lack healthcare coverage and be underinsured? Why does half of American make $30.000 or less in the richest country in the world? Perhaps these are the reasons why Trump's fake populism resonated with the voters?

Hillary lost because she was corrupt and arrogant and completely lacking in charisma. She didn't lose because of her policies.

Obama actually campaigned as a centrist and then tried to govern as a leftist in domestic policy.

Trump's racism and social conservatism  resonated with a large segment of economically stagnant whites. His economic populism was just icing on the cake

The top three at the moment includes two progressives and one centrist. Could it be a sign of the frustration people have for incrementalism? If people preferred smaller changes surely candidates like Kamala Harris would poll much higher? Only the former VP is high in the polls and even he is in danger of losing support when people realize how bad candidate he is.

You mistake popularity with progressive activists for popularity with actual voters.  The key ingredient to Sanders, Warren and Biden being top tier is that they are already well known to the public, unlike the rest.

[JBS]

You can say 1000 times I don't know anything, but you can still be wrong. Let's see who is right in this election. I follow Kyle Kulinski (he is American so you can't call him a non-american ignoramus) and I am confident I get good insight. You don't follow him. You follow more corporate sources. Let's see which one of us knows better! 

I am right. Todd is right. You are wrong. The reason: we know our sources are propaganda and calibrate accordingly. You don't.

[71 dB]

I can't change anyones mind.

[71 dB]

I am right. Todd is right. You are wrong. The reason: we know our sources are propaganda and calibrate accordingly. You don't.

DO you think I am right about anything or am I wrong about everything? Why do you think I am wrong?

[71 dB]

It suck to be called ignorant. I follow politics HOURS daily!!! IT MUST GIVE KNOWLEDGE!!

[71 dB]

HOW MUCH DO YOU???

[71 dB]

Don't you think about my feelings? why are you so unfriendly? I am friendly just frustrated of people's ignorance.
I understand so much more than you so this is frustrating. I think I know more than anyone here, american or non-american.
I follow so much. That's why I know and it's frustrating to see ignorant posts.

[JBS]

DO you think I am right about anything or am I wrong about everything? Why do you think I am wrong?

You are wrong about US politics because you have mistaken advocacy of leftist positions for an impartial source.
The Young Turks are biased, present only what is favorable to their side, and are merely propagandists.

OTOH, you are right about Elgar.

[71 dB]

Hillary lost because she was corrupt and arrogant and completely lacking in charisma. She didn't lose because of her policies.

Her policies also sucked. She was very bad overall.

Obama actually campaigned as a centrist and then tried to govern as a leftist in domestic policy.

No, he campaigned more left than governed.

Trump's racism and social conservatism  resonated with a large segment of economically stagnant whites. His economic populism was just icing on the cake

Yes, but he got more non-racist votes and those where away from Hillary. That's why Hillary lost in the rust belt. Trump talked about bringing jobs back, Hillary didn't.

You mistake popularity with progressive activists for popularity with actual voters.  The key ingredient to Sanders, Warren and Biden being top tier is that they are already well known to the public, unlike the rest.

Activist are people too. At least Bernie has got tons of activists. How about Klobuchar? Progressives have a message thar resonates to people.

[71 dB]

You are wrong about US politics because you have mistaken advocacy of leftist positions for an impartial source.
The Young Turks are biased, present only what is favorable to their side, and are merely propagandists.

OTOH, you are right about Elgar.

Yes, The Young Turks are biased and they say it themselves! Their bias is what's best for regular people instead of what good for the rich (corporate media bias). Corporate media never admits their bias and that's where YOU go wrong. You don't realize how unreliable corporate media is. Also, you don't realize how far right the Overton Window has been pushed, so right that even MSNBC opposes Trump from the RIGHT when Trump does something that the establishment doesn't like.

I am right about Elgar? In what way? 

[Florestan]

If you are a right-winger, the lefties attack you online
If you are a lefty, the right-wingers attack you online
If you are ignorant, smart people attack you online
If you are smart, ignorant people attack you online
No matter who or what you are, someone will attack you online

Don't want to be attacked? Just get offline... 

By all means, please do.

[Florestan]

Don't you think about my feelings?

Just what have your feelings got to do with American politics, or any politics at all for that matter?

[71 dB]

Just what have your feelings got to do with American politics, or any politics at all for that matter?

Politics does make me VERY nervous. When democracy doesn't work, politicians make decisions that are catastrophic to regular people.

[Florestan]

Politics does make me VERY nervous.

Make love, not war politics.

No, really, sex is gonna make you feel calmer and happier. Try it just for once.

[Karl Henning]

You kidding? How could a disciple of Kyle Kulinski ever be mistaken?

That's pretty much the reply I am expecting from him.

[Todd]

You can say 1000 times I don't know anything, but you can still be wrong.

True, but in this case I am not wrong: you are an ignorant non-American.

Also, Bernie's candidacy is toast.  The last presidential level candidate to politically survive a heart attack was LBJ.  Bernie is not LBJ.  You are spluttering on about a has-been.  That is what ignorant people do.

[Karl Henning]

You are wrong about US politics because you have mistaken advocacy of leftist positions for an impartial source.
The Young Turks are biased, present only what is favorable to their side, and are merely propagandists.

OTOH, you are right about Elgar.

Well, the "vibrational fields" wheeze was an amusing diversion.

[71 dB]

True, but in this case I am not wrong: you are an ignorant non-American.

Also, Bernie's candidacy is toast.  The last presidential level candidate to politically survive a heart attack was LBJ.  Bernie is not LBJ.  You are spluttering on about a has-been.  That is what ignorant people do.

In the age of internet, information is not limited to certain geographical location. So, it doesn't matter where I live as long as I have internet access. In fact when it comes to politics, I think average Europeans know more than average Americans.

We see about Bernie. I believe in him and so does many more. He is feeling better than he did. Corporate media tells otherwise, even tinkers with photos and video to advance their narrative bacause they hate Bernie. You can believe corporate media if you want, but you are a fool if you do.

[Florestan]

In the age of internet, information is not limited to certain geographical location. So, it doesn't matter where I live as long as I have internet access.

Internet access, ie an idiot plus Google.

[Karl Henning]

Internet access, ie an idiot plus Google.

Yes, his internet access is not merely the equivalent, but superior to JBS's and my being here when Obama was campaigning....