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Mozart

Have you ever apologized for something that you have no idea what it is, and for doing absolutely nothing wrong?



Strange feeling...

The Six


Harry

No, I never did, but I apologized several times for something I did not do, but rather took responsabilty for it, for avoiding a useless fight about it. Sometimes it is better this way.

Que

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Quote from: E..L..I..A..S.. =) on January 07, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
Have you ever apologized for something that you have no idea what it is, and for doing absolutely nothing wrong?

Maybe not always necessary to apologize as such, but just say she is right, Elias.
The woman just always is, any resistance is futile. ;D

Q

Harry

Quote from: Que on January 08, 2008, 12:13:07 AM
Maybe not always neccessay to apologize as such, but just say she is right, Elias.
The woman just always is, any resistance is futile. ;D

Q

Also true..... ;D

Haffner

Quote from: Harry on January 07, 2008, 11:53:05 PM
No, I never did, but I apologized several times for something I did not do, but rather took responsabilty for it, for avoiding a useless fight about it. Sometimes it is better this way.





I think this approach is most sensible: saves alot of headaches.

BachQ

Quote from: E..L..I..A..S.. =) on January 07, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
Have you ever apologized for something that you have no idea what it is, and for doing absolutely nothing wrong?

Sorry.

No.

marvinbrown

Quote from: E..L..I..A..S.. =) on January 07, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
Have you ever apologized for something that you have no idea what it is, and for doing absolutely nothing wrong?



Strange feeling...

  E..L..I..A..S what exactly did you do to the lady?

  marvin

 

Harry

Quote from: marvinbrown on January 08, 2008, 02:46:40 AM
  E..L..I..A..S what exactly did you do to the lady?

  marvin

 

Probably a indecent proposal, from her view.
Or Elias direct approach method...... ;D

Hector

Of course.

I'm English.

маразм1

Quote from: E..L..I..A..S.. =) on January 07, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
Have you ever apologized for something that you have no idea what it is, and for doing absolutely nothing wrong?



Strange feeling...

yes: "ok ok i'm sorry [even though i have no clue about what.  just shut up!!]"

Mark G. Simon

If you have offended her, and don't wish her to be offended, it is reasonable to feel sorry for the offense. It doesn't mean you're sorry for what you said or did, it just means you're sorry that she's offended, which is probably perfectly true.

My next move, though, would be to ask why she felt offended.

head-case

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on January 08, 2008, 06:03:08 AM
If you have offended her, and don't wish her to be offended, it is reasonable to feel sorry for the offense. It doesn't mean you're sorry for what you said or did, it just means you're sorry that she's offended, which is probably perfectly true.

My next move, though, would be to ask why she felt offended.

"I'm sorry you were offended by what I said" is a non-apology.  It basically says, "It's not my fault that you're nuts."

MishaK

Quote from: E..L..I..A..S.. =) on January 07, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
Have you ever apologized for something that you have no idea what it is, and for doing absolutely nothing wrong?



Strange feeling...

Yes. I broke up with her long ago. There is simply no good reason to put up with that sort of emotional abuse.

Don

Quote from: Harry on January 07, 2008, 11:53:05 PM
No, I never did, but I apologized several times for something I did not do, but rather took responsabilty for it, for avoiding a useless fight about it. Sometimes it is better this way.

I don't agree.  Honesty is one of the prime ingredients of a good marriage, and phony apologies are quite noticeable and disrespectful.

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: E..L..I..A..S.. =) on January 07, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
Have you ever apologized for something that you have no idea what it is, and for doing absolutely nothing wrong?

Given what you've said, there's no way of knowing what you did, much less whether it's "wrong" or not. The first thing to do, I'd say, is to carefully review the situation in your mind once more, and see if she has a valid reason to be upset with you. The second thing is to try to talk things out. And then you have to decide how much the relationship is worth to you.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

orbital

Quote from: Don on January 08, 2008, 07:38:04 AM
I don't agree.  Honesty is one of the prime ingredients of a good marriage, and phony apologies are quite noticeable and disrespectful.
Agreed. If someone did that to me, I'd feel patronized.

In most situations to agree that you disagree may often be the best solution 

Scriptavolant

Quote from: E..L..I..A..S.. =) on January 07, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
Have you ever apologized for something that you have no idea what it is, and for doing absolutely nothing wrong?

No, I'd feel very stupid to apologize for something that I have no idea what it is, and I suspect she would agree with my feeling.
Maybe you're lacking a fundamental level of verbal comunication and/or you're living a totally platonic relationship.
Firstly I'd try to collect informations on what I did wrong.
You can ask and if she appears to be particularly reticent, you can resort to persuasive techniques:



(Hey, I'm kidding  ;D )

By the way I know myself and I'm quite certain I would never apologize for something I consider "nothing wrong". At least, not after the third rendezvous  :D


Mark G. Simon

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Quote from: head-case on January 08, 2008, 07:21:25 AM
"I'm sorry you were offended by what I said" is a non-apology.  It basically says, "It's not my fault that you're nuts."


"I'm sorry you were offended by what I said" is only the beginning of the discussion, of course. The real point of the discussion is to find out what it is that is offending her. People see things very differently. What may seem like an obvious infraction to her may be totally invisible to you. You have to assume that she had a reason for saying she was offended, and you need to find out what it was. Only then can you evaluate the validity of her complaint. If you don't value her enough to try to see things from her perspective you shouldn't be with her at all.

It also follows that she should try to see things from your perspective, and should respect you if you can come up with a reasonable explanation why she should not be taking offence.

Keemun

Whatever you do, do not say "I'm sorry for what I did that upset you."  If you do, the conversation is likely to proceed as follows:

Her:  What exactly did you do?
You:  Uhhh.....  ???
Her:  You don't even know what you did, do you?!?!
You:  No, please tell me.
Her:  If you can't figure it out, I'm not telling you!  >:(

It's possible that you did something to upset her without being aware that it upset her.  You first need to try to figure out what has upset her and go from there. 
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