And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[71 dB]

Will you go away back to the safe space of your bubble?

The internet and these forums are just as much for my bubble as it is to your bubble. You seem to think you are more entitled to be here. This is not "your" safe space. This is an internet forum. We have to withstand each other here or leave. I am greatly surprised about your political opinions, but I respect your right to have them and express them here. How about you?

[Karl Henning]

Poju, take off!

[Florestan]

Kyle Kulinski: How to go forward:

1. Bernie's team has to expose Biden's record. Bernie has been too kind to Biden calling him a "friend." This is a primary!

2. Tell voters that this highly organized effort to take Bernie down is because Bernie represents people and not the corporate owners (call out corruption).

3. Bernie has to stress that Biden is the extremist. Bernie is the moderate advocating stuff that is commonplace in other countries and popular among the majority of Americans according to the polls. That makes Bernie the moderate and Biden an extremist. Enough with Bernie calling himself a democratic socialist. That is an unnecessory scary label for some people (especially older people). Instead try to get the people you are struggling with.

4. Hammer away electability and how Biden would definitely lose to Trump.

You simply can''t help it, can you? I'm beginning to think your psychological disturbance is much deeper and serious than we all thought and than you realize, if at all. I hate to say it but you might need long-term psychiatric medication.

[ritter]

I'm starting to think he's taking the mickey out of all of us....

[71 dB]

Poju, take off!

I don't take orders from you.

[71 dB]

You simply can''t help it, can you? I'm beginning to think your psychological disturbance is much deeper and serious than we all thought and than you realize, if at all. I hate to say it but you might need long-term psychiatric medication.

How is quoting a political commentator demonstration of psychological disturbance?

[Florestan]

A Letter to My Children Regarding Bernie Sanders[

JBS, you're gonna love this! And so are all moderates here, methinks.

[SimonNZ]

The internet and these forums are just as much for my bubble as it is to your bubble. You seem to think you are more entitled to be here. This is not "your" safe space. This is an internet forum. We have to withstand each other here or leave. I am greatly surprised about your political opinions, but I respect your right to have them and express them here. How about you?

If you're calling people  brainwashed then you most certainly are NOT respecting them or their opinions.

[Florestan]

How is quoting a political commentator demonstration of psychological disturbance?

The demonstration is in the compulsive need of posting in this thread even after it was made clear to you, both by almost all of us and the US reality, that in the best interest of your sanity you really, desperately need to take a loooooong break from US politics

[Mirror Image]

Personally, I'm just waiting for 71 dB to go back to the Elgar avatar. It suits him much better than Bernie "Your Money Is Our Money" Sanders.

[71 dB]

If you're calling people  brainwashed then you most certainly are NOT respecting them or their opinions.

Nodoby needs to respects anyones opinions. That's different from respecting the right to have opinions. If you say 2+2=5, I respect your right to suck at math, but I don't respect/admire your skills in math. The corporate media in the US manufactures consent and that's effectively brainwashing. When I think I recognize an opinion that looks like it came to be via manufactures consent (e.g. "Biden is most electable" or "We must start this war") I will call it out and it's more of an attack toward the dishonesty oligarchic nature of corporate media than the person having the said opinion.

I do respect everyones right to have their opions, whatever they are, but I have hardly any respect toward the opinions expressed here and I am myself shocked by that. Why are classical music fans so right-wing? Maybe it's the elitist nature of classical music and having a leftist classical music fan seems to be a rarity and I happen to be one such rare example. Drogulus is one example of someone whose political posts I do respect. I don't say I ALWAYS agree with him 100 %, but at least he seems to know what he is talking about and is clearly free of corporate brainwashing. I very rarely comment on his posts, because I don't need to. They are knowledgeable and respectable. It's you, Florestan and Karl Henning I am feuding nonstop, because I find your and their posts the "manufacturing consent" -type.

[greg]

Biden doesn't believe healthcare is a human right

But it is and it isn't. People have the right to live but someone else's labor is not one's human right.

[Karl Henning]

A Letter to My Children Regarding Bernie Sanders

JBS, you're gonna love this! And so are all moderates here, methinks.

Very nice.  Sharing!

[Karl Henning]

Poju, pack a lunch!

[71 dB]

Personally, I'm just waiting for 71 dB to go back to the Elgar avatar. It suits him much better than Bernie "Your Money Is Our Money" Sanders.

If Biden becomes the nominee instead of Bernie, I might go to Trump "four more years" avatar before going back to Elgar avatar.

Your money goes via taxes to military industry complex. So, corporates say "Your money is military industry complex's money". The US as it is is socialism for the rich. You don't like socialism, so why do you like status quo?

[Karl Henning]

6) Medicare-for-all support didn't translate into a big Sanders win

The exit polls displayed Sanders's problem: He beat Biden among voters who support Medicare-for-all, but Biden still picked up a decent chunk of those people — and the former vice president won easily with Democratic voters who prefer the public option. Exit polls aren't a perfect metric, but the trend was consistent across the 14 states that voted on the primary's biggest day.

[71 dB]

But it is and it isn't. People have the right to live but someone else's labor is not one's human right.

You are right, but society can arrange enough labor to be allocated based on need so that in practice it looks like it's a right. That's how the dilemma is solved elsewhere. In the US the labor is allocated based on the size of wallet and that is a really really moronic way to do it if we try to keep people alive and healthy.

[Florestan]

Why are classical music fans so right-wing?
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It's you, Florestan and Karl Henning I am feuding nonstop, because I find your and their posts the "manufacturing consent" -type.

You forgot to mention JBS. 

As I told another GMGer recently, I am hardly a right-winger because all political tests I've ever taken put me solidly in the center. Yes, I'm a centrist, a bourgeois centrist if it makes you happy, and proud of it (bourgeois included). As jwinter put it in his outstanding post, compromise and reformism are much more conducive to civilization and progress than ideological fanaticism and I-want-it-all-and-I-want-it-now revolutionism. I also think that there is no blueprint for universal happiness and that a scheme that works wonders in a country might not be optimal for another country. If this makes me a right-winger in your eyes, then so be it.

[Florestan]

Very nice.  Sharing!

Glad you like it, fellow right-winger! 

[Karl Henning]

Glad you like it, fellow right-winger! 

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