Philip Sainton (1891-1967)

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Karl Henning

Quote from: vandermolen on April 15, 2020, 01:43:50 PM
Thanks Karl, however I'd need to get a blu-ray player first.

That were true :)
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vandermolen

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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 15, 2020, 02:48:14 PM
That were true :)

Indeed - it won't play on the microwave oven unfortunately  ;D

Amazingly, this thread is now on its second page.  :o

Here he is:
Philip Prosper Sainton (1897-1967)
His middle name seems rather ironic in view of all his struggles and disappointments:
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 14, 2020, 11:30:28 AM
Just heard Nadir as Jeffrey suggested. Oh, awesome! Raw and epic in a sort of way. The piece conveys sorrow and destruction, and there is a Baxian touch along the notes. Some impressive climaxes appear too. A tremendous work. Thanks, Jeffrey, for recommending this great piece.

I think that 'Raw and epic' is a good description of 'Nadir' Cesar. The 'dot-dot-dot-dash' V for Victory motto, derived from Beethoven's 5th Symphony, first appears towards the end at about 11 minutes and 18 seconds. I think that Martinu does much the same in his 'Memorial to Lidice'.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Roasted Swan

Quote from: vandermolen on April 16, 2020, 02:28:15 AM
I think that 'Raw and epic' is a good description of 'Nadir' Cesar. The 'dot-dot-dot-dash' V for Victory motto, derived from Beethoven's 5th Symphony, first appears towards the end at about 11 minutes and 18 seconds. I think that Martinu does much the same in his 'Memorial to Lidice'.

Purely prompted by the hive of activity that is this page ( :)) I listened to Nadir and Moby Dick yesterday.  Complete agreement that both are fine works.  Not so convinced by the Moscow SO playing or recording for the film score - quite scrappy and harsh.  Another example of a Russian chorus making the words they are singing completely unintelligible too!  I had to check the booklet(!); "The ribs and terrors in the whale, arched over me a dismal gloom" - OK not the easiest thing to say.  By the way - the booklet for the original Marco Polo release is quite superb - very very detailed and extensive - did the booklet survive the Naxos re-release?

vandermolen

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Quote from: Roasted Swan on April 17, 2020, 02:34:27 AM
Purely prompted by the hive of activity that is this page ( :)) I listened to Nadir and Moby Dick yesterday.  Complete agreement that both are fine works.  Not so convinced by the Moscow SO playing or recording for the film score - quite scrappy and harsh.  Another example of a Russian chorus making the words they are singing completely unintelligible too!  I had to check the booklet(!); "The ribs and terrors in the whale, arched over me a dismal gloom" - OK not the easiest thing to say.  By the way - the booklet for the original Marco Polo release is quite superb - very very detailed and extensive - did the booklet survive the Naxos re-release?

Delighted that you enjoyed these works RS.
The booklet survived minus the production photos.
I have both the original Marco Polo release and the Naxos reissue  ::)

PS actually I've just done a 'booklet comparison'. The Marco Polo booklet, which is indeed very special, is 24 pages and the Naxos is 16 pages. As far as I can tell the Naxos excludes all the film photos and the Ray Bradbury introduction on the first page of the Marco Polo booklet. The photo of Sainton, I'm pleased to say, did survive in the Naxos booklet as did the image of the score.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).