Barenboim's German interview

[Saul]

You misread the clues. So you haven't got a clue, as the clues were insufficient to help you understand, due to your lack of German-speaking capability.

Ok in you little fantasy world you are "correct".
But in the real world you clearly made a baseless accusation.
No need to be so angry about been wrong, grow up, big deal so you said something wrong, why be upset about it?

[PSmith08]

Ok in you little fantasy world you are "correct".
But in the real world you clearly made a baseless accusation.
No need to be so angry about been wrong, grow up, big deal so you said something wrong, why be upset about it?

As an impartial observer of that particular vein of this 'discussion,' I am not so sure his accusations were ''baseless." Indeed, I am becoming quite convinced of the opposite.

[Harry]

Well, he has a right to his opinion of course, but sometimes I think he is a little onesided....

[Saul]

As an impartial observer of that particular vein of this 'discussion,' I am not so sure his accusations were ''baseless." Indeed, I am becoming quite convinced of the opposite.

We got your point already a few times, I think its enough... lol

[MishaK]

Ok in you little fantasy world you are "correct".
But in the real world you clearly made a baseless accusation.
No need to be so angry about been wrong, grow up, big deal so you said something wrong, why be upset about it?

Saul, let's step away for the moment from the use of the word "clue" which seems to be causing you aggravation.

You said:

He says how these "palestinians" are cultured and they play the cello and the piano....

Well, he calls the people who murder his people and elected a terrorist organization to lead them as "cultured". Doesnt this sound delusional?

Then he asks him about playing Wagner in Israel and he says that he had thousands listening to him and it wasnt a big problem,  and that the objection for perfroming his music was political , which was not the case, he good a huge opposition trying to perform Wagner in Israel.

He also asks him about trying to use music as a political tool ....and he answered that this mutual orchestra doesnt function as an orchestra that performs "good music" but its function is to enlighten the ignorant, and that he uses music as an educational tool...and he says that he and the "intellectual' edward said are a part of this project.

He is also saying that when playing music together there are no check points for arabs and there are no israeli soldiers.

I have shown in my response above how each and every one of those statements is incorrect and based on your political hostility of Barenboim and your insufficient understanding of German. You have not said anything subsequent to that which would dispute my corrections of your totally wrong summary of the interview. OK? Are you with me so far? OK, now, figuratively speaking, in English we describe an ignorant person as "not having a clue". The fact that you recognized a few German words here and there - but nonetheless put them in a completely spurious context with each other - might mean that you used some "clues" to make your statements, but it doesn't mean that you have a clue, in the figurative sense that "having a clue" is employed in the English language. Your statements were uninformed and objectively wrong. Whether you agree with Barenboim or not, your summary was factually completely incorrect. In other words, you didn't understand at all what Barenboim said.

[Saul]

Saul, let's step away for the moment from the use of the word "clue" which seems to be causing you aggravation.

You said:

I have shown in my response above how each and every one of those statements is incorrect and based on your political hostility of Barenboim and your insufficient understanding of German. You have not said anything subsequent to that which would dispute my corrections of your totally wrong summary of the interview. OK? Are you with me so far? OK, now, figuratively speaking, in English we describe an ignorant person as "not having a clue". The fact that you recognized a few German words here and there - but nonetheless put them in a completely spurious context with each other - might mean that you used some "clues" to make your statements, but it doesn't mean that you have a clue, in the figurative sense that "having a clue" is employed in the English language. Your statements were uninformed and objectively wrong. Whether you agree with Barenboim or not, your summary was factually completely incorrect. In other words, you didn't understand at all what Barenboim said.

LOL




You dont make any sense.....

I did say that I know very little German but I did understand some words and was able to understand a few comments by Barenboim, you on the other hand said that I "had no clue".

[MishaK]

LOL




You dont make any sense.....

I did say that I know very little German but I did understand some words and was able to understand a few comments by Barenboim, you on the other hand said that I "had no clue".

Saul, I'm glad you're easily amused. Apart from not understanding German (note that "understanding" and knowing the meaning of a few words are something different) you seem to be having trouble with English as well now. Reread also the underlined bit in my post. It's only two words. You should be able to handle it.

[Saul]

Saul, I'm glad you're easily amused. Apart from not understanding German (note that "understanding" and knowing the meaning of a few words are something different) you seem to be having trouble with English as well now. Reread also the underlined bit in my post. It's only two words. You should be able to handle it.

And now its English?

Im sure youre fluent in Hebrew and Georgian yourself.... 

[(poco) Sforzando]

And now its English?

Im sure youre fluent in Hebrew and Georgian yourself.... 

Apostrophes, apostrophes . . . .

[MishaK]

And now its English?

Im sure youre fluent in Hebrew and Georgian yourself.... 

No, which is why I don't go around accusing speakers of those languages of saying things they didn't say. BTW, in English "its" is the genitive of "it", whereas you meant to use "it's", which is the contraction of "it is".

[PSmith08]

We got your point already a few times, I think its enough... lol

I somehow doubt that. I would like, too, to iterate my request that you actually engage with O Mensch's comments, as opposed to saying that he misspoke. Indeed, if you had merely responded to his comments, we could have all been spared the sight of the English language knocked around like a cheap coat, with even worse outrages visited upon German.

I'll say it straight: I want to hear your response to O Mensch's points. I do not care about your response to his way of making them, nor am I interested in your interpretations of his non-textual senses. You started this one, and I - for one - would like to see you finish it.

And now its English?

Im sure youre fluent in Hebrew and Georgian yourself.... 

Let us pray that Hebrew and Georgian don't suffer as much or as long as English and German.

[Saul]

No, which is why I don't go around accusing speakers of those languages of saying things they didn't say. BTW, in English "its" is the genitive of "it", whereas you meant to use "it's", which is the contraction of "it is".

He did say it.

Listen again, I'm sure you can understand your own languege.

[MishaK]

He did say it.

Say what?

[PSmith08]

He did say it.

Listen again, I'm sure you can understand your own languege.

Once again, 'say' has two or three discrete meanings (senses) in the English language. One of those is a literal sense, a second is a figurative sense, and the third is an idiomatic sense. I somehow doubt that you have a solid-enough grasp of German idiom to approximate a grasp of what Barenboim was saying, though you might be able to reach for what he said.

In any event, may I take it that you have admitted that your substantive critique of Barenboim was a non-starter?

Say what?

Don't get him started again, please. I'm half-tempted to send him an Amazon gift card, so he can buy a copy of Fowler's Modern English Usage. I won't because I am noted for my parsimony, but the thought has crossed my mind.

[knight66]

And it is the thought that counts.

Mike

[orbital]

Even if you have it your way and we accept that you correctly interpreted what he said:

He says how these "palestinians" are cultured and they play the cello and the piano....

Are you saying that there are no Palestinians who play the cello and the piano? or that, say,  Marcel Khalife or Mona Hatoum are not an artists because they are Palestinians?

Then he asks him about playing Wagner in Israel and he says that he had thousands listening to him and it wasnt a big problem,  and that the objection for perfroming his music was political , which was not the case, he good a huge opposition trying to perform Wagner in Israel.

I don't understand your statement here. SO he says that the objection to him playing Wagner was political and you are saying that is not the case, there was a huge opposition against trying to perform Wagner in Israel? Aren't you both saying the same thing here 
Or do you mean there was a huge musical opposition in Israel by the critics on the grounds that Wagner's music is horrible and good people of Israel should not be subject to such horrific music 

He is also saying that when playing music together there are no check points for arabs and there are no israeli soldiers.

He says he is trying to promote peace and understanding right? So there should be check points for musicians who could blow themselves up anytime, and soldiers with their Uzis standing guard around the stage?

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

Just listened to the interview with Barenboim. O Mensch did it justice.

[EmpNapoleon]

Big waste of time reading this.  Barenboim isn't a anti Semite...cool.  Saul is annoying.  O Mensch writes too much, which is no flaw at all because his writing is clear.

I'm going to listen to something Barenboim.

[Saul]

He really impressed me with this interpretation of Beethovens Moonlight Sonata.

Really well done, moving performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E10K73GvCKU&feature=related

[MishaK]

He really impressed me with this interpretation of Beethovens Moonlight Sonata.

Really well done, moving performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E10K73GvCKU&feature=related

You should get the complete DVD set. It's worth the money. I received it for Christmas.