Bernstein says that Beethoven was the greatest composer

Started by Saul, March 10, 2008, 07:24:26 PM

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BachQ

Quote from: Sforzando on March 12, 2008, 12:47:05 PM
That all sounds good to me. So where are we in dispute?

Quick ........ lock the thread .........

karlhenning

Quote from: JoshLilly on March 12, 2008, 12:02:27 PM
What I do like is better. What else does "better" mean?

If all that better means is "I like it," why do we need the word better?


BachQ

Quote from: karlhenning on March 12, 2008, 12:49:58 PM
If all that better means is "I like it," why do we need the word better?

We had better ponder that ........

JoshLilly

It's one word instead of three. Why do we have the word "car" instead of "horseless carriage"?  ;)

karlhenning

Quote from: Roger DaltreyI say, "I love you," you say, "I'm better" . . . .

JoshLilly


(poco) Sforzando

"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."



Haffner

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 10, 2008, 07:30:10 PM
Beethoven's late piano sonatas and quartets contradict your assertion.


This is an excellent point. I guess Saul just really happens to like Mendellssohn (I love alot of his works as well...not like LvB tho!). There's another member here (whom out of respect will remain nameless by me) whom prefers Elgar uber alles. It's probably fortunate that we don't have a board completely filled with LvB-admirers (like ME!), to keep things...juicy?



or something...

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Haffner on March 14, 2008, 12:24:24 PM

This is an excellent point.

I would have to agree. The work, once one encounters it, is so extraordinary as to make all quibbling about individual taste and objectivity/subjectivity seem besides the point. At least, that's how it seems to me, and I'm not alone.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

BachQ

Quote from: Haffner on March 14, 2008, 12:24:24 PM
There's another member here (whom out of respect will remain nameless by me) whom prefers Elgar uber alles.

.......Andy, at least give us some clues as to whom this mystery Elgarian might be ...... Don't leave us dangling in suspense and wonder ....... tell us ...... TELL US lest we fret beyond consolation .......

Haffner

Quote from: Dm on March 14, 2008, 12:43:31 PM
.......Andy, at least give us some clues as to whom this mystery Elgarian might be ...... Don't leave us dangling in suspense and wonder ....... tell us ...... TELL US lest we fret beyond consolation .......


(laughing) oh it can't be that hard!



I guess sometimes I try to hard to be fair. But op. 110 just seems to kind of supercede (by itself) the entirety of Mendellssohn's output.

Just my opinion, and again, whaddaIknow?

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Haffner on March 14, 2008, 12:46:12 PM
op. 110 just seems to kind of supercede (by itself) the entirety of Mendellssohn's output.

Just my opinion, and again, whaddaIknow?

Not just your opinion.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

not edward

Quote from: Sforzando on March 14, 2008, 12:53:29 PM
Not just your opinion.
Nor is it anything like the only Beethoven work for which I find this to be the case (though I admit that I probably give Mendelssohn less attention than he deserves).
"I don't at all mind actively disliking a piece of contemporary music, but in order to feel happy about it I must consciously understand why I dislike it. Otherwise it remains in my mind as unfinished business."
-- Aaron Copland, The Pleasures of Music

Haffner

Quote from: edward on March 14, 2008, 01:44:38 PM
Nor is it anything like the only Beethoven work for which I find this to be the case (though I admit that I probably give Mendelssohn less attention than he deserves).


I agree. I believe Mendelssohn is a great composer, and in particular his chamber music (at least for me) bears this out. I really love his Violin Concerto especially. But...you know, Beethoven...

Josquin des Prez

Quote from: Haffner on March 14, 2008, 12:24:24 PM
It's probably fortunate that we don't have a board completely filled with LvB-admirers

Not like one may admire more then one composer or anything like that.

Haffner

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 14, 2008, 05:28:46 PM
Not like one may admire more then one composer or anything like that.



Heaven forbid (laughing)!

BachQ

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 14, 2008, 05:28:46 PM
Not like one may admire more then one composer or anything like that.

Is that permitted?