Vaughan Williams's Veranda

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Spotted Horses

Quote from: vandermolen on December 02, 2024, 07:53:25 AMI think that they are all sound much louder than Boult's LPO account.

My listening notes don't make any mention of the finale of the sixth symphony being less hushed, but my most recent listening was to Boult's New Philharmonia recording (1967). Probably that is what I am remembering. I'm tempted to say the sixth is my favorite work of Vaughan Williams.
Formerly Scarpia (Scarps), Baron Scarpia, Ghost of Baron Scarpia, Varner, Ratliff, Parsifal, perhaps others.

Elgarian Redux

I'm clearly the wimp around here ("Ignore him - he cries in the corner when we play the 6th symphony"), but I forgot to mention that the other main RVW piece I've been playing in the car when driving through the hills is the Phantasy Quintet.

Luke

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@ Spotted Horses:

I feel like that very often, too. Although the existence of the 5th, amongst other things, makes it difficult to be definitive.

Elgarian Redux

Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 02, 2024, 06:49:44 AMHah, that's my audio experience, minus the trip to the record shop.

I remember the look in his eyes when I tried to explain to him, as we listened earnestly to the turntable rumble, that there was actual music on there.

Luke

VW was so avant garde...

Karl Henning

Quote from: Elgarian Redux on December 02, 2024, 10:21:08 AMI'm clearly the wimp around here ("Ignore him - he cries in the corner when we play the 6th symphony")
When I listened anew yesterday, it hit me a good deal bleaker than in the past. I'm not sure why that should have been, but @Luke talked me down from the ledge.
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Composer & Clarinetist
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: Luke on December 02, 2024, 10:30:08 AMVW was so avant garde...
He'll fake you out, that one will.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Spotted Horses

Quote from: Elgarian Redux on December 02, 2024, 10:27:45 AMI remember the look in his eyes when I tried to explain to him, as we listened earnestly to the turntable rumble, that there was actual music on there.

Maybe an editing mistake, they substituted Cage 4'33" for the RVW finale. Did the timing come out right? :)
Formerly Scarpia (Scarps), Baron Scarpia, Ghost of Baron Scarpia, Varner, Ratliff, Parsifal, perhaps others.

Elgarian Redux

Quote from: Karl Henning on December 02, 2024, 10:30:43 AMWhen I listened anew yesterday, it hit me a good deal bleaker than in the past. I'm not sure why that should have been, but @Luke talked me down from the ledge.

Good man, Luke!

I'm not going to be tempted, myself, though I admire your pluck, old chap.

Elgarian Redux

Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 02, 2024, 10:33:13 AMMaybe an editing mistake, they substituted Cage 4'33" for the RVW finale. Did the timing come out right? :)

We couldn't tell when it started or stopped.

Iota

I just wanted to say how much I've enjoyed reading this thread. The intense feelings and connections with VW being expressed here, add a new dimension to him for me. Am inspired as a consequence to have another go at the Sixth symphony ... I'm not a big VW listener though find some of his works I do know, very distinctive and at times captivating, but of the symphonies, the Third has always been the one that most interested me, followed I guess by the Fifth.

And while I'm here .. @vandermolen, these two posts of yours tickled me.  ;D 

Quote from: vandermolen on December 01, 2024, 11:06:12 PMThose fine notes were from Gilbert Burnett. I always remember him describing the finale as 'an eerie progression through a bleak wasteland' - a kind of metaphor for my life  ;D


Quote from: Kalevala on December 02, 2024, 06:34:17 AM@LKB and Elgarian R.,  I (along with lots of help from a friend) put up my Christmas tree *yesterday.

K
Quote from: vandermolen on December 02, 2024, 07:54:42 AMSo, you live in a community of GMG Forum members?  ;D

Irons

Quote from: Christo on November 30, 2024, 11:43:36 PMTruly outstanding and infectious review of RVW's Ninth by someone I have not consciously encountered before (but I was out for three years due to illness). Geraint Lewis knows everything and explains everything, beautifully. His review of all the recordings is also utterly convincing. Only my top pic remains: Bryden Thomsen, not Davis/Bergen, despite Bergen's superior sound world.

https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/vaughan-williams-s-symphony-no-9-a-guide-to-the-best-recordings?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2-7g21yA3mkOMNvJkCxbNmXZ7o350nwPcGmqb_gJwp-OU-P9ogecQdVOg_aem_-MyUvFCXmiZYEuB3cHH3Zw

A good review which gave me mind to give Boult's first recording of RVW's 9th Symphony a spin. I like this and the second EMI version equally although the first has far greater historical significance.



Not the place to go into the trivia of which LP pressing. I will post that over at vinyl thread. 
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

vandermolen

Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 02, 2024, 09:27:49 AMMy listening notes don't make any mention of the finale of the sixth symphony being less hushed, but my most recent listening was to Boult's New Philharmonia recording (1967). Probably that is what I am remembering. I'm tempted to say the sixth is my favorite work of Vaughan Williams.
Mine too - I think that it's his greatest work.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Irons

Quote from: Spotted Horses on December 02, 2024, 09:27:49 AMMy listening notes don't make any mention of the finale of the sixth symphony being less hushed, but my most recent listening was to Boult's New Philharmonia recording (1967). Probably that is what I am remembering. I'm tempted to say the sixth is my favorite work of Vaughan Williams.

Sound engineers of the period must have been aware of the dangers of low level sound being drowned in LP surface noise.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

vandermolen

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Quote from: Irons on December 02, 2024, 11:30:41 PMA good review which gave me mind to give Boult's first recording of RVW's 9th Symphony a spin. I like this and the second EMI version equally although the first has far greater historical significance.



Not the place to go into the trivia of which LP pressing. I will post that over at vinyl thread. 
Here is an account of how that wonderful portrait head came to be made - at around the time of the composition of the 9th Symphony:
https://davidmcfall.co.uk/page90.html
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

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Quote from: Kalevala on December 02, 2024, 09:26:52 AMConfused here as to what you meant Jeffrey?

Lights are strung up, but I am strung out; for some reason or another, I had bought one 50 strand of LED lights last year (along with two packs of 100's).  I normally start from the base of the tree and was trying to keep the lights close to each other; well, you can guess what happened by the time that I got to the 50 strand!  :-[ Did my best to adjust it without totally redoing it.  Might try and buy more lights at the store (if they're not sold out), but didn't feel like doing it today.  Sigh.... That or just hope that by the time that I get my ornaments on the tree, my Pollockesque work will be mostly hidden.  ;D

K

I think that I misread your post Kalevala and my initial understanding was that you, LKB, Elgarian R and another helpful person had helped to set up your Christmas tree!
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Kalevala

Quote from: vandermolen on December 03, 2024, 12:58:39 AMI think that I misread your post Kalevala and my initial understanding was that you, LKB, Elgarian R and another helpful person had helped to set up your Christmas tree!
They were there in spirit willing us on.  ;)  ;D

K

Iota

Quote from: vandermolen on December 03, 2024, 12:58:39 AMI think that I misread your post Kalevala and my initial understanding was that you, LKB, Elgarian R and another helpful person had helped to set up your Christmas tree!

Oh, here was I thinking it had been a deliberate play on Kalevala's words. Seemed somehow a typically humorous vandermolen moment, of which there are not a few on this board ..

Elgarian Redux

Quote from: vandermolen on December 03, 2024, 12:58:39 AMI think that I misread your post Kalevala and my initial understanding was that you, LKB, Elgarian R and another helpful person had helped to set up your Christmas tree!

It's true! We were there! It was real Christmas teamwork, with mince pies and everything.

Kalevala

Quote from: Elgarian Redux on December 03, 2024, 06:07:27 AMIt's true! We were there! It was real Christmas teamwork, with mince pies and everything.
;D

K