Hilding Rosenberg

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#140
April 30, 2025, 12:57:33 PM
Interesting, thanks for the info. The last time I heard it on that Caprice recording, I confirmed that it is a choral masterpiece. Let's see (or hear) if the performance you mentioned is an improvement upon the other one.
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vandermolen

#141
May 01, 2025, 03:59:52 AM
Quote from: DaveF on June 21, 2021, 11:12:07 AMThere is a (fairly) modern recording of no.5 from Sveriges Radio that seems to get broadcast at least once a year.  It can currently be heard here:

https://sverigesradio.se/avsnitt/1714723

starting about 27:30.  It is rather better than the composer's own recording on wax cylinders or whatever.
I don't think that it's there anymore. I'll have to search for the wax cylinders!
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#142
May 03, 2025, 09:40:38 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on May 01, 2025, 03:59:52 AMI don't think that it's there anymore. I'll have to search for the wax cylinders!
Luckily, since I wrote the above, YouTube has been invented:

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Roy Bland

#143
May 03, 2025, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: DaveF on May 03, 2025, 09:40:38 AMLuckily, since I wrote the above, YouTube has been invented:


Sound quality is quite low sadly

DaveF

#144
May 03, 2025, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Roy Bland on May 03, 2025, 05:39:57 PMSound quality is quite low sadly
I'm not sure I agree - yes, there is a noticeable 'off-air' hiss, but your only alternative is the 'Rosenberg conducts Rosenberg' to which @vandermolen is referring:


Now that, to my ears, is low sound quality!
(And yes, this wonderful work needs a modern recording.)
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Roy Bland

#145
May 04, 2025, 03:41:48 AM
Quote from: DaveF on May 03, 2025, 11:41:25 PMI'm not sure I agree - yes, there is a noticeable 'off-air' hiss, but your only alternative is the 'Rosenberg conducts Rosenberg' to which @vandermolen is referring:


Now that, to my ears, is low sound quality!
(And yes, this wonderful work needs a modern recording.)
I actually have that disc, if we can't get a more recent performance, a good one would be enough a new mastering

kyjo

#146
May 05, 2025, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: DaveF on April 30, 2025, 08:35:44 AMA vinyl rip of Blomstedt's live recording of no.4, never available on CD.  A good transfer, if a bit crackly.  To my ears, this is superior in every way to the Ehrling / Gothenburg version on CD - more urgent (6 or 7 minutes shorter overall), in more detailed and varied sound (paradoxically, for a live concert-hall recording from 1967) and with a soloist (Erik Sædén) who really gives shape and momentum to the sometimes rather long and wordy baritone-and-brass recitatives.  Anyone looking to sample should try the Beast section, about 2' into track 2 - terrifying!
https://archive.org/details/lp_johannes-uppenbarelse-symfoni-nr-4-for_hilding-rosenberg

Thanks for that, Dave! I listened to Rosenberg's 4th a few months ago in the Ehrling recording (which struck me as pretty satisfactory), and was quite positively impressed by it, especially the big dramatic moments with the chorus. I could do without so many baritone recitatives, though. ;) If I'm not mistaken, this work draws upon the same subject matter as Franz Schmidt's The Book with the Seven Seals, in particular by depicting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in suitably threatening fashion. This symphony, along with his 5th (which I haven't yet heard), could really do with a high-quality modern recording, but I'm not holding my breath...
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DaveF

#147
May 05, 2025, 02:13:34 PM
Quote from: kyjo on May 05, 2025, 12:14:06 PMThanks for that, Dave! I listened to Rosenberg's 4th a few months ago in the Ehrling recording (which struck me as pretty satisfactory), and was quite positively impressed by it, especially the big dramatic moments with the chorus. I could do without so many baritone recitatives, though. ;) If I'm not mistaken, this work draws upon the same subject matter as Franz Schmidt's The Book with the Seven Seals, in particular by depicting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in suitably threatening fashion. This symphony, along with his 5th (which I haven't yet heard), could really do with a high-quality modern recording, but I'm not holding my breath...
I agree the recits can go on a bit - although, as I said, Sædén seems to make much more dramatic sense of them than does Hagegård.  I don't know the Schmidt, although others have mentioned it in relation to Johannes Uppenbarelse as well, so I should have a listen.  I'm not sure, in fact, that the Four Horsemen appear in the Rosenberg, apart from perhaps in the penultimate chorale O syn av vita hästar, which could be about some other horses altogether - the really terrifying bit is the Beast of the Apocalypse ("Sexhundrasextiosex!").
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foxandpeng

#148
May 06, 2025, 07:53:27 AM
So, if I'm not simply repeating an inane question from the Gipps thread - but about Rosenberg, this time...

What gives? Why no major Rosenberg cycle?

I find his SQs (which I haven't listened to in a while, admittedly) very compelling. They are great. I have all the mp3 rips of his symphonies that I can find, plus those that have been committed to streaming, but the incompletion dumbfounds me. Why no major cycle? Why no Storgards or Hughes? No Segerstam? Lindberg, even? And so on... BIS? Dacapo? Ondine, even?

I admit my ignorance.

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vandermolen

#149
May 06, 2025, 08:07:30 AM
Quote from: foxandpeng on May 06, 2025, 07:53:27 AMSo, if I'm not simply repeating an inane question from the Gipps thread - but about Rosenberg, this time...

What gives? Why no major Rosenberg cycle?

I find his SQs (which I haven't listened to in a while, admittedly) very compelling. They are great. I have all the mp3 rips of his symphonies that I can find, plus those that have been committed to streaming, but the incompletion dumbfounds me. Why no major cycle? Why no Storgards or Hughes? No Segerstam? Lindberg, even? And so on... BIS? Dacapo? Ondine, even?

I admit my ignorance.


Good point. BIS released new recordings of 3 and 6 but stopped there.  :-\
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André

#150
May 06, 2025, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: foxandpeng on May 06, 2025, 07:53:27 AMSo, if I'm not simply repeating an inane question from the Gipps thread - but about Rosenberg, this time...

What gives? Why no major Rosenberg cycle?

I find his SQs (which I haven't listened to in a while, admittedly) very compelling. They are great. I have all the mp3 rips of his symphonies that I can find, plus those that have been committed to streaming, but the incompletion dumbfounds me. Why no major cycle? Why no Storgards or Hughes? No Segerstam? Lindberg, even? And so on... BIS? Dacapo? Ondine, even?

I admit my ignorance.



I have symphonies, concertos and all his string quartets (14 of them) . They are solid, original, superbly crafted works.

Rosenberg answered 'Truth' every time he played Truth or Dare when composing. Maybe the lack of Dare is what makes him considered not adventurous enough for recording studios'  attention ?

relm1

#151
Today at 05:48:04 AM
Quote from: kyjo on May 05, 2025, 12:14:06 PMThanks for that, Dave! I listened to Rosenberg's 4th a few months ago in the Ehrling recording (which struck me as pretty satisfactory), and was quite positively impressed by it, especially the big dramatic moments with the chorus. I could do without so many baritone recitatives, though. ;) If I'm not mistaken, this work draws upon the same subject matter as Franz Schmidt's The Book with the Seven Seals, in particular by depicting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in suitably threatening fashion. This symphony, along with his 5th (which I haven't yet heard), could really do with a high-quality modern recording, but I'm not holding my breath...

I listened to the Rosenberg 4th Ehrling yesterday.  He's such a fine conductor.  I thought the performance was terrific.  I do think the subject matter doesn't come across as threatening enough, maybe my perspective is more apocalyptic terror.  It would have been nice if Rautavaara attempted this subject because I quite like what he did in Angels and Visitations...not so much dealing with the majesty but more of the ethereal and mystical.
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