Erich Wolfgang Korngold

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Symphonic Addict

I think I'm posting too much on this part of the forum lately, but I can't help myself.  ;D

Just discovered a work of the utmost brilliance and sheer splendour: Schauspiel-Ouvertüre, op. 4 (on the CPO recording below).

Holy smokes... If I said that it's an astonishing work for a 14-year-old composer, it would be a ridiculous understatement. What a portentous piece of music!!! I mean, this knocked my socks off, it's late-Romanticism at its very best, glittering with all the possible intensity, voluptuousness aplenty and filled with masterful orchestration of first order, and that ending is so powerful and imposing. Loved this piece so much, which is in the spirit of his also precocious Sinfonietta. I can't explain myself why I had never heard it before. One of my favorite overtures from now on.

The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

Roasted Swan

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Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 13, 2025, 05:16:52 PMI think I'm posting too much on this part of the forum lately, but I can't help myself.  ;D

Just discovered a work of the utmost brilliance and sheer splendour: Schauspiel-Ouvertüre, op. 4 (on the CPO recording below).

Holy smokes... If I said that it's an astonishing work for a 14-year-old composer, it would be a ridiculous understatement. What a portentous piece of music!!! I mean, this knocked my socks off, it's late-Romanticism at its very best, glittering with all the possible intensity, voluptuousness aplenty and filled with masterful orchestration of first order, and that ending is so powerful and imposing. Loved this piece so much, which is in the spirit of his also precocious Sinfonietta. I can't explain myself why I had never heard it before. One of my favorite overtures from now on.



Great review!  I agree with everything you say - as the title of Brendan Caroll's fine biography is sub-titled - "The Last Prodigy".  In a world where hyperbola is overused Korngold was a genuine prodigy - and that is whether you like his music or his compositional style.  In his chosen field and genre he was prodigious.  I struggle to get my head around how it is possible for someone so young to have so fully grasped not just the technical aspects of large scale composition but also to have the emotional maturity to make the works feel profound and deeply expressive.  This is especially true of his early operatic works.  But this overture is just a joy.  I should revisit this version - my memory is that I generally found this 4 disc set valuable because of its completeness (and the first such survey to be made) but not quite as dynamic or thrilling as other versions.  But your enthusiasm picques my curiosity to dig it out!

Wanderer

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Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 13, 2025, 05:16:52 PMJust discovered a work of the utmost brilliance and sheer splendour: Schauspiel-Ouvertüre, op. 4 (on the CPO recording below).

I can't explain myself why I had never heard it before. One of my favorite overtures from now on.

Better late than never! It's one of my favourite overtures as well, irrespective of composer - and you can read my extolling it in one of the very first posts of this thread back in 2009 (and before that in the old, now defunct version of the forum). Its thematic ingenuity, compositional prowess and irresistible élan make it an extraordinary sample of just how ingenious young Korngold was - the same spark can be heard in most of his early works, two of my other favourite "unknowns" being the Sinfonietta and the breathtaking Prelude to Violanta. Thank you for reminding me of these CPO recordings which I haven't listened to in a while. For the Schauspiel-Ouvertüre I urge you to also listen to the BBC PO/Bamert recording on Chandos. So glad you've discovered this gem!

Der Schattenmann

Just an FYI, but the Schauspiel-Ouverture is also found on these two recordings:


Symphonic Addict

Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 14, 2025, 01:23:49 AMGreat review!  I agree with everything you say - as the title of Brendan Caroll's fine biography is sub-titled - "The Last Prodigy".  In a world where hyperbola is overused Korngold was a genuine prodigy - and that is whether you like his music or his compositional style.  In his chosen field and genre he was prodigious.  I struggle to get my head around how it is possible for someone so young to have so fully grasped not just the technical aspects of large scale composition but also to have the emotional maturity to make the works feel profound and deeply expressive.  This is especially true of his early operatic works.  But this overture is just a joy.  I should revisit this version - my memory is that I generally found this 4 disc set valuable because of its completeness (and the first such survey to be made) but not quite as dynamic or thrilling as other versions.  But your enthusiasm picques my curiosity to dig it out!

Absolutely, especially the bolded text. It's nothing short of miraculous how accomplished he was from the very beginning. I even dare to say that his personal voice sounds loud and clear already for a very young composer. Definitely a prodigious man that left us many stupendous creations. As for the CPO recording, I didn't expect to be that amazing and robust. It clearly made an impression.
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

Symphonic Addict

Quote from: Wanderer on July 14, 2025, 05:25:44 AMBetter late than never! It's one of my favourite overtures as well, irrespective of composer - and you can read my extolling it in one of the very first posts of this thread back in 2009 (and before that in the old, now defunct version of the forum). Its thematic ingenuity, compositional prowess and irresistible élan make it an extraordinary sample of just how ingenious young Korngold was - the same spark can be heard in most of his early works, two of my other favourite "unknowns" being the Sinfonietta and the breathtaking Prelude to Violanta. Thank you for reminding me of these CPO recordings which I haven't listened to in a while. For the Schauspiel-Ouvertüre I urge you to also listen to the BBC PO/Bamert recording on Chandos. So glad you've discovered this gem!

It's always the greatest of pleasures when you discover a gem by a composer you are familiar with, and with Korngold that was simply a scintillating revelation to me. There's much more Gold than Korn on his works (I haven't heard anything close to the latter yet, nevertheless).
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

Symphonic Addict

Just heard the Chandos recording of the Schauspiel-Ouvertüre and, whilst it's a valid interpretation, it can't hold a candle to the CPO recording, which has more impact, radiance and punch. Glad I listened to that performance the first so the effect I obtained was maximum! I'm considering to give the recording of the Symphony of that set a listen.

OTOH, a work that is not often recorded and it's another hit is the Baby Serenade. Such a lovely work!

The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

Roasted Swan

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 15, 2025, 08:24:36 PMJust heard the Chandos recording of the Schauspiel-Ouvertüre and, whilst it's a valid interpretation, it can't hold a candle to the CPO recording, which has more impact, radiance and punch. Glad I listened to that performance the first so the effect I obtained was maximum! I'm considering to give the recording of the Symphony of that set a listen.

OTOH, a work that is not often recorded and it's another hit is the Baby Serenade. Such a lovely work!



One of the things I really enjoyed about the CPO set is that the works are presented chronologically so not only do you marvel at just how "fully formed" the young Korngold's musical personality was but also how little, relatively speaking, it changed over the entire course of his composing career.

Wanderer

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 15, 2025, 08:24:36 PMJust heard the Chandos recording of the Schauspiel-Ouvertüre and, whilst it's a valid interpretation, it can't hold a candle to the CPO recording, which has more impact, radiance and punch.

Well, you've only been listening to the work for a couple of days and your "imprint" first recording is normal to stand out for you. I don't think of it as highly myself. My next ambition regarding this work is to listen to it in concert; I have managed to do so with the Sinfonietta a couple of years ago in Vienna, so it's not an impossible aspiration - his early works are getting back in the concert hall. Fingers crossed! 😎

Wanderer

Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 15, 2025, 10:35:38 PM...but also how little, relatively speaking, it changed over the entire course of his composing career.

It was perceived as a flaw in his later years ("why can't he "evolve" with the times?"), but now that constant change for change's sake is more or less passé it just shows what an extraordinary prodigy he was - his musical language appeared almost fully complete from the very beginning. There are no real "juvenilia" in his oeuvre.

brewski

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 13, 2025, 05:16:52 PMI think I'm posting too much on this part of the forum lately, but I can't help myself.  ;D

Just discovered a work of the utmost brilliance and sheer splendour: Schauspiel-Ouvertüre, op. 4 (on the CPO recording below).

Holy smokes... If I said that it's an astonishing work for a 14-year-old composer, it would be a ridiculous understatement. What a portentous piece of music!!! I mean, this knocked my socks off, it's late-Romanticism at its very best, glittering with all the possible intensity, voluptuousness aplenty and filled with masterful orchestration of first order, and that ending is so powerful and imposing. Loved this piece so much, which is in the spirit of his also precocious Sinfonietta. I can't explain myself why I had never heard it before. One of my favorite overtures from now on.



Thanks for mentioning this piece with such fervor. I listened to it the other day, and agree, it's fantastic —  and really hard to imagine someone 14 years old writing it.
"I set down a beautiful chord on paper—and suddenly it rusts."
—Alfred Schnittke (1934-1998)

Der Schattenmann

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 15, 2025, 08:24:36 PMJust heard the Chandos recording of the Schauspiel-Ouvertüre and, whilst it's a valid interpretation, it can't hold a candle to the CPO recording, which has more impact, radiance and punch. Glad I listened to that performance the first so the effect I obtained was maximum! I'm considering to give the recording of the Symphony of that set a listen.

OTOH, a work that is not often recorded and it's another hit is the Baby Serenade. Such a lovely work!



Have you heard the Caspar Richter/Bruckner Orchester Linz recording on Capriccio (originally issued on ASV) yet? I think it's a good one.

Symphonic Addict

Quote from: brewski on July 16, 2025, 06:53:05 AMThanks for mentioning this piece with such fervor. I listened to it the other day, and agree, it's fantastic —  and really hard to imagine someone 14 years old writing it.

Good to read! Yes, it also bowls me over the huge talent he showed at that tender age.
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

Symphonic Addict

Quote from: Der Schattenmann on July 16, 2025, 07:14:14 AMHave you heard the Caspar Richter/Bruckner Orchester Linz recording on Capriccio (originally issued on ASV) yet? I think it's a good one.

No, I haven't, but I am rather content with the CPO recording for now.
The current annihilation of a people on this planet (you know which one it is) is the most documented and at the same time the most preposterously denied. The terror IS REAL more than ever!

Der Schattenmann

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 16, 2025, 10:00:06 AMNo, I haven't, but I am rather content with the CPO recording for now.

You content? Since when? Is this some kind of new development that I'm unaware of? ;)  :D

Spotted Horses

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 13, 2025, 05:16:52 PMI think I'm posting too much on this part of the forum lately, but I can't help myself.  ;D

Just discovered a work of the utmost brilliance and sheer splendour: Schauspiel-Ouvertüre, op. 4 (on the CPO recording below).

Holy smokes... If I said that it's an astonishing work for a 14-year-old composer, it would be a ridiculous understatement. What a portentous piece of music!!! I mean, this knocked my socks off, it's late-Romanticism at its very best, glittering with all the possible intensity, voluptuousness aplenty and filled with masterful orchestration of first order, and that ending is so powerful and imposing. Loved this piece so much, which is in the spirit of his also precocious Sinfonietta. I can't explain myself why I had never heard it before. One of my favorite overtures from now on.



I didn't know this series existed. Will have to put in on my list.
Formerly Scarpia (Scarps), Baron Scarpia, Ghost of Baron Scarpia, Varner, Ratliff, Parsifal, perhaps others.

Der Schattenmann

Quote from: Spotted Horses on July 16, 2025, 11:39:44 AMI didn't know this series existed. Will have to put in on my list.

If you're after the CDs, it's been boxed up:


vandermolen

FROM WAYLTN thread:
Korngold: Symphony
John Mauceri: Orchestra Della Svizzera Italiana
This is a powerfully driven performance, reminding me of the pioneering Kempe recording.
I've come across Mauceri on TV programmes about film music.
Here's some info on the special nature of this recording:
https://johnmauceri.com/news/the-korngold-symphony/
The 2CD set includes Korngold playing the Symphony on the piano:
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

SonicMan46

Recently finished a couple of biographies of Korngold - the first below by Brendan Carroll from 1997 - overly priced on Amazon but found a website where I could read for free; second by Jessica Duchen (1996), much less expensive and purchased a used copy for $8 USD - Duchen is much shorter and an easier read (not the numerous quotes in Carroll's book).  Dave




vandermolen

Quote from: SonicMan46 on August 21, 2025, 07:23:09 AMRecently finished a couple of biographies of Korngold - the first below by Brendan Carroll from 1997 - overly priced on Amazon but found a website where I could read for free; second by Jessica Duchen (1996), much less expensive and purchased a used copy for $8 USD - Duchen is much shorter and an easier read (not the numerous quotes in Carroll's book).  Dave




I have the Duchen which is good.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).