When will Brilliant release this, I wonder?

[MN Dave]

They jacked the price up about $50 dollars since the last time I looked at it.

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1041101&style=classical

[head-case]

MDT will sell it to you for 35 pounds, plus shipping.
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4479662.htm

[MN Dave]

MDT will sell it to you for 35 pounds, plus shipping.
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4479662.htm

Well, that's less expensive anyway. I've been looking at this set forever but must be too cheap to buy it. I guess I'm waiting for the $40 - $50 version. 

[dirkronk]

I wouldn't hold my breath. Pretty sure that DGG has it figured out that Kempff can be an ongoing cash cow.

Sorry, folks.

Dirk

[Bogey]

They jacked the price up about $50 dollars since the last time I looked at it.

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1041101&style=classical

Great call Dave!

[MN Dave]

I wouldn't hold my breath. Pretty sure that DGG has it figured out that Kempff can be an ongoing cash cow.

Sorry, folks.

Dirk

Damn.

[DavidW]

That is kind of bizarre speculation anyway, it's not even oop, why would DG let Brilliant reissue it?  Does DG even have a habit of giving oop recordings to Brilliant?

[MN Dave]

That is kind of bizarre speculation anyway, it's not even oop, why would DG let Brilliant reissue it?  Does DG even have a habit of giving oop recordings to Brilliant?

Let me have my bizarre speculation, you bastard. 

[head-case]

I wouldn't hold my breath. Pretty sure that DGG has it figured out that Kempff can be an ongoing cash cow.

Record labels are in  business to make money, they are not charitable organizations.  They took the trouble to make the recording, they can charge what they like for it.  If you see something on Brilliant classics, you can assume that the company that recorded it is in bankruptcy or that no one on the planet is willing to pay a decent price for the recording.

[MN Dave]

Yet labels release budget editions of older recordings all the time. Why is this one so special I wonder?

[The new erato]

Yet labels release budget editions of older recordings all the time. Why is this one so special I wonder?

Because enough people are willing to buy at full price. In a few years it will be out of (European) copyright, and it will be a free for all...

Was it recorded in the mid 60-ies?

[MN Dave]

Because enough people are willing to buy at full price. In a few years it will be out of (European) copyright, and it will be a free for all...

Was it recorded in the mid 60-ies?

In the fifties.

[head-case]

In the fifties.

'51-'56.  When it goes out of copyright, someone can copy from a sound carrier from the period that is out of copyright.  That means they can sell the playback of the original LP.  They don't have access to the master tapes and they can't distribute copies of a cd release. 

[dirkronk]

Record labels are in  business to make money, they are not charitable organizations.  They took the trouble to make the recording, they can charge what they like for it.  If you see something on Brilliant classics, you can assume that the company that recorded it is in bankruptcy or that no one on the planet is willing to pay a decent price for the recording.

Agree completely with your first two statements, but must disagree (at least somewhat) with your third. IIRC, DGG is part of Universal now, no? All you have to look at is the recent Brilliant release of the superb Haskil/Grumiaux Beethoven violin sonatas (from Philips originals) to realize that the marketing types at Universal are utterly unaware of the sales potential of certain specific performances within their own (wonderfully deep) catalog. Sometimes they need to have these things pointed out to them by rising prices for specific items on the collector market--and by conversations between collectors on forums like this one. My guess is that such "hints" at least contributed to the release of the mono Kempff LvB sonatas on CD in the first place. Older collectors will recall that the mono Kempff items were leased to other labels in the past--I have a Quintessence LP issue of half a dozen sonatas from the integral set, for example.

There are other fine things showing up on Brilliant lately, though many of the recognizable goodies have come from labels other than DGG (I'm thinking of two or three items from the EMI catalog here).

FWIW,

Dirk

[head-case]

Agree completely with your first two statements, but must disagree (at least somewhat) with your third. IIRC, DGG is part of Universal now, no? All you have to look at is the recent Brilliant release of the superb Haskil/Grumiaux Beethoven violin sonatas (from Philips originals) to realize that the marketing types at Universal are utterly unaware of the sales potential of certain specific performances within their own (wonderfully deep) catalog. Sometimes they need to have these things pointed out to them by rising prices for specific items on the collector market--and by conversations between collectors on forums like this one. My guess is that such "hints" at least contributed to the release of the mono Kempff LvB sonatas on CD in the first place. Older collectors will recall that the mono Kempff items were leased to other labels in the past--I have a Quintessence LP issue of half a dozen sonatas from the integral set, for example.

There are other fine things showing up on Brilliant lately, though many of the recognizable goodies have come from labels other than DGG (I'm thinking of two or three items from the EMI catalog here).

FWIW,

Dirk

I am by no means extremely familiar with the Brilliant Classics catalog, but the few releases I have or have considered by them were either from Nimbus, or were recordings that were obscure enough that I had never heard of them before. 

[The new erato]

Agree completely with your first two statements, but must disagree (at least somewhat) with your third. IIRC, DGG is part of Universal now, no? All you have to look at is the recent Brilliant release of the superb Haskil/Grumiaux Beethoven violin sonatas (from Philips originals) to realize that the marketing types at Universal are utterly unaware of the sales potential of certain specific performances within their own (wonderfully deep) catalog. Sometimes they need to have these things pointed out to them by rising prices for specific items on the collector market--and by conversations between collectors on forums like this one. My guess is that such "hints" at least contributed to the release of the mono Kempff LvB sonatas on CD in the first place. Older collectors will recall that the mono Kempff items were leased to other labels in the past--I have a Quintessence LP issue of half a dozen sonatas from the integral set, for example.

There are other fine things showing up on Brilliant lately, though many of the recognizable goodies have come from labels other than DGG (I'm thinking of two or three items from the EMI catalog here).

FWIW,

Dirk

The stuff they are doing on Australian Elouence is further proof of the need for systematic exploration of Universals back catalogue. Go visit at buywell. On their April list is a very tempting Brahms piano concertoes (both), and they are starting a 50 CD Ansermet Editition......

[Harry]

I am by no means extremely familiar with the Brilliant Classics catalog, but the few releases I have or have considered by them were either from Nimbus, or were recordings that were obscure enough that I had never heard of them before. 

There are plenty of well known labels Brilliant is licensing, Chandos, Hyperion, CRD, Tactus, DGG, EMI, Hanssler, Edel classics, Harmonia Mundi, Philips, Hungaroton, Channel classics, and I probably forgot quite a few....

[The new erato]

and I probably forgot quite a few....

You forgot the very interesting Russian stuff, and the fact that they do some interesting  recordings of their own......

[Harry]

You forgot the very interesting Russian stuff, and the fact that they do some interesting  recordings of their own......

True, many recordings from their own label, and good ones too.
They will step up this thing the coming years.

[head-case]

There are plenty of well known labels Brilliant is licensing, Chandos, Hyperion, CRD, Tactus, DGG, EMI, Hanssler, Edel classics, Harmonia Mundi, Philips, Hungaroton, Channel classics, and I probably forgot quite a few....

What have they released from DG?