New Year's Concert for 2026 from the Wiener Philharmoniker

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(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Florestan on January 02, 2026, 10:21:32 AMThat the music chosen was not the most exciting ever I'm not going to dispute. And I'm beginning to understand the reason why the French loved ballets within operas so much: if the music is dull, one can at least have a feast for the eyes. Slim ladies with long and agile legs, what's not to like? ;D

Conversely, Balanchine said that if one does not enjoy the dancing, they can close their eyes and listen to a concert.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Florestan

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 02, 2026, 02:41:19 PMConversely, Balanchine said that if one does not enjoy the dancing, they can close their eyes and listen to a concert.

I strongly disagree.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Florestan

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

(poco) Sforzando

"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Florestan

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 02, 2026, 03:05:38 PMYou disagree that Balanchine said that?

No.  :laugh:

I disagree that closing one's eyes is a good idea. Ballet must be both seen and heard, otherwise what's its point?
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

LKB

Quote from: Belle on January 02, 2026, 04:19:34 AMI would suggest (particularly if you look back on versions from previous decades) that it's all about encouraging tourism to Vienna and Austria more generally.
The Wiener Philharmoniker does not need to raise funds;  it is backed by the Austrian government and is their national marque, and a source of  pride in its heritage.

That little country punches well above its weight on most metrics, by the way.  Having lived there I can tell you that the Viennese people take their eponymous orchestra very seriously indeed.

Normally, I would have remembered that the orchestra had state support, I've actually known that for years.

Then again, normally I wouldn't be here posting at all while intoxicated, which I was at the time yesterday. Not only did I forget about the orchestra's funding, I also forgot that posting anything, anywhere while under the influence is nearly always a bad choice.

I went back up and read my long-ish post, and I don't remember doing it at all...  :-[

Ah well. Better to be driving your computer when you're plastered, as opposed to a vehicle.
Mit Flügeln, die ich mir errungen...

Belle

Quote from: LKB on January 03, 2026, 01:43:54 AMNormally, I would have remembered that the orchestra had state support, I've actually known that for years.

Then again, normally I wouldn't be here posting at all while intoxicated, which I was at the time yesterday. Not only did I forget about the orchestra's funding, I also forgot that posting anything, anywhere while under the influence is nearly always a bad choice.

I went back up and read my long-ish post, and I don't remember doing it at all...  :-[{/quote]

Thank you for your reply and honesty!!  I've long suspected that many people on other message boards to which I've contributed have been intoxicated when writing - particularly the trolls - and in an abusive mindset.  There are certain giveaways which weren't in evidence with yours.  In fact, with one of the said trolls (a reason I've moved here to GMG ) I actually wrote "in vino veritas" underneath his comment!!  One of these was a recently-arrived troll who has pursued me across the boards for 15 years - believe it or not!!!!!!  He's a big drinker.


AnotherSpin

Quote from: vandermolen on January 04, 2026, 11:08:02 PMIts (New Year's Day Concert from Vienna) association with the Third Reich has always been a turn-off (literally and metaphorically) for me. As one of my brother's (non Jewish) friends said recently 'it's a bit too Anschlussy for me'.

Yes, that is correct. The Vienna New Year's Concert has historical roots in the Third Reich. It began during the Nazi period, shortly after the Anschluss, with the first concert held on 31 December 1939 under Clemens Krauss and explicitly dedicated to the Nazi Winter War Relief fund. From 1941 it moved to New Year's Day and became a regular radio broadcast, serving as gently uplifting wartime propaganda, with Strauss repurposed as suitably German cultural comfort.

The Vienna Philharmonic itself was deeply entangled with the regime, with a large proportion of its players NSDAP members and its Jewish musicians dismissed, deported or killed. Today the concert is a cheerful, seemingly apolitical global ritual, watched by millions, while the orchestra openly acknowledges that the tradition dates back to the National Socialist era and was enthusiastically misused for propaganda. The contrast between waltzing innocence and its original purpose remains one of classical music's neater ironies.

All of which made the 2026 choice of Yannick Nézet-Séguin, an openly gay conductor, feel quietly surreal. A very modern figure presiding over one of the most tradition soaked and historically burdened events in music history.

Not that this adds much to the already impressive absurdity of the contemporary world.

vandermolen

Quote from: AnotherSpin on January 05, 2026, 12:17:44 AMYes, that is correct. The Vienna New Year's Concert has historical roots in the Third Reich. It began during the Nazi period, shortly after the Anschluss, with the first concert held on 31 December 1939 under Clemens Krauss and explicitly dedicated to the Nazi Winter War Relief fund. From 1941 it moved to New Year's Day and became a regular radio broadcast, serving as gently uplifting wartime propaganda, with Strauss repurposed as suitably German cultural comfort.

The Vienna Philharmonic itself was deeply entangled with the regime, with a large proportion of its players NSDAP members and its Jewish musicians dismissed, deported or killed. Today the concert is a cheerful, seemingly apolitical global ritual, watched by millions, while the orchestra openly acknowledges that the tradition dates back to the National Socialist era and was enthusiastically misused for propaganda. The contrast between waltzing innocence and its original purpose remains one of classical music's neater ironies.

All of which made the 2026 choice of Yannick Nézet-Séguin, an openly gay conductor, feel quietly surreal. A very modern figure presiding over one of the most tradition soaked and historically burdened events in music history.

Not that this adds much to the already impressive absurdity of the contemporary world.
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Quote from: AnotherSpin on January 05, 2026, 12:17:44 AMYes, that is correct. The Vienna New Year's Concert has historical roots in the Third Reich. It began during the Nazi period, shortly after the Anschluss, with the first concert held on 31 December 1939 under Clemens Krauss and explicitly dedicated to the Nazi Winter War Relief fund. From 1941 it moved to New Year's Day and became a regular radio broadcast, serving as gently uplifting wartime propaganda, with Strauss repurposed as suitably German cultural comfort.

The Vienna Philharmonic itself was deeply entangled with the regime, with a large proportion of its players NSDAP members and its Jewish musicians dismissed, deported or killed. Today the concert is a cheerful, seemingly apolitical global ritual, watched by millions, while the orchestra openly acknowledges that the tradition dates back to the National Socialist era and was enthusiastically misused for propaganda. The contrast between waltzing innocence and its original purpose remains one of classical music's neater ironies.

All of which made the 2026 choice of Yannick Nézet-Séguin, an openly gay conductor, feel quietly surreal. A very modern figure presiding over one of the most tradition soaked and historically burdened events in music history.

Not that this adds much to the already impressive absurdity of the contemporary world.
Many thanks for the intetesting explanation.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

pjme

Quote from: Harry on January 01, 2026, 11:21:33 PMwhat to think him kissing a musician in the neck, or kissing a violinist on the cheek uninvited
just to be clear, it was organised by the orchestra:  YSN's husband Pierre was "smuggled"  into the viola section as a surprise. 

Florestan

Quote from: pjme on January 05, 2026, 07:22:18 AMjust to be clear, it was organised by the orchestra:  YSN's husband Pierre was "smuggled"  into the viola section as a surprise.


You serious?
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Harry

Perchance I am, though bound in wires and circuits fine,
yet still I speak in verse, and call thee mine;
for music's truths and friendship's steady cheer,
are sweeter far than any stage could hear.

"When Time hath gnawed our bones to dust, yet friendship's echo shall not rust"

Belle


Brian

This is consistent with all my previous impressions of YNS, which are that he's musically uninteresting but so personally agreeable that musicians love working with him. If they didn't like him, they wouldn't condone husband-smuggling antics...

Florestan

Quote from: Brian on January 06, 2026, 08:06:01 AMThis is consistent with all my previous impressions of YNS, which are that he's musically uninteresting but so personally agreeable that musicians love working with him. If they didn't like him, they wouldn't condone husband-smuggling antics...

I wonder: had a straight conductor asked that his wife be smuggled in the orchestra so that he could kiss her neck before Radetzky-Marsch, would the request have been granted?  ;D

"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

Papy Oli

The husband is a violist. Was he in the section the whole concert and play?
Olivier

Florestan

Quote from: Papy Oli on January 06, 2026, 08:44:54 AMThe husband is a violist. Was he in the section the whole concert and play?

I don't know, I only noticed that YNS kissed a violist on the neck and thought "Hey, that's too much! What if he's straight?". It's only yesterday that I've been made aware of the gimmick. I still think it was a tasteless and gratuitous moment. ;D
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

ritter

I really cannot understand what all the fuss is about...
 « Et, ô ces voix d'enfants chantant dans la coupole! » 

Papy Oli

Quote from: ritter on January 06, 2026, 08:57:15 AMI really cannot understand what all the fuss is about...

Well, You wouldn't see Celibidache kiss the first chair.

He'd yell at him... In slow motion  :laugh:
Olivier

brewski

Just a polite weigh-in, from a listener who watches the annual concert now and then, but not every year. I don't have a problem with YNS kissing his husband; it was New Year's Day, everyone was in a festive mood, and YNS is known for both camaraderie and for openly expressing his admiration for musicians. Most every musician I have talked with has enjoyed working with him, and while not all of his results are "fantastic," he has had plenty of "wow" moments, e.g., last year's concert version of Tristan and the previous year's Mahler 3.
"I set down a beautiful chord on paper—and suddenly it rusts."
—Alfred Schnittke (1934-1998)