Dutch Composers

[Dundonnell]

Well under Neuheiten it was today.... They refresh their info every day in neuheiten!
And I agree, the Bischoff/Reznicek/Rontgen releases are of major interest, at least for me.
Bisschoff second symphony, wow, I am already impatient.

Well, they may have refreshed it for you but when I go to their site the Neuheiten still shows the March releases(eg Sallinen's 3rd and 5th symphonies). Very odd!!  Sometimes the ways of the internet seem decidedly peculiar!

[Harry]

Well, they may have refreshed it for you but when I go to their site the Neuheiten still shows the March releases(eg Sallinen's 3rd and 5th symphonies). Very odd!!  Sometimes the ways of the internet seem decidedly peculiar!

Here you go, right row, 6th picture, although it has no cover yet!

http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/novelties/-/flush/1/typnum/3

[Christo]

I never look at the CPO site, but just on JPC. There it's listed, complete with a description of the composer and his work in German (a rather widespread eastern Dutch dialect btw), as:

Jan van Gilse (1881-1944) Symphonien Nr. 1 & 2CD  Erscheinungstermin: 21.4.2008
Neuheit zum limitierten Sonderpreis, gültig bis 15.5.2008, danach EUR 17,99
Künstler: Netherlands SO, David Porcelijn Label: CPO, DDD, 2007

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

There it's listed, complete with a description of the composer and his work in German (a rather widespread eastern Dutch dialect btw)

Good to put matters straight. There is a lot of confusion about this (especially in Germany).

[Dundonnell]

Many thanks! Yes, found it in the JPC new releases section minus cover picture as you say.  

Interesting info' about the German language. Must remember that

[Harry]

I never look at the CPO site, but just on JPC. There it's listed, complete with a description of the composer and his work in German (a rather widespread eastern Dutch dialect btw), as:

Jan van Gilse (1881-1944) Symphonien Nr. 1 & 2CD  Erscheinungstermin: 21.4.2008
Neuheit zum limitierten Sonderpreis, gültig bis 15.5.2008, danach EUR 17,99
Künstler: Netherlands SO, David Porcelijn Label: CPO, DDD, 2007

O, now I understand, he was on the CPO site, instead on the JPC site!
Sure you will not find it at CPO.

[Harry]

I never look at the CPO site, but just on JPC. There it's listed, complete with a description of the composer and his work in German (a rather widespread eastern Dutch dialect btw), as:

[Dundonnell]

O, now I understand, he was on the CPO site, instead on the JPC site!
Sure you will not find it at CPO.

Is that not where one would look to find it?

[Christo]

Is that not where one would look to find it?

No, not us. Why should we, if it isn't shown there? 

[Harry]

Is that not where one would look to find it?

No, most of the time the new releases are to be found on the JPC site, and well before CPO will show them.

[Dundonnell]

No, not us. Why should we, if it isn't shown there? 

Stupid me!! Should have thought of that!

[Dundonnell]

No, most of the time the new releases are to be found on the JPC site, and well before CPO will show them.

I will remember that   Thank you for your kind indulgence

[Christo]

Yesterday, erato wrote in the present-listening-to thread, that he was playing another Röntgen release I din't year yet:

Rontgen's Three Cello Concertos on Etcetera.  No. 1 isn't so hot, but 2 and 3 are wonderful examples of romantic era dialogues between cello and orchestra.  Actually, I find no. 2 as rewarding as Dvorak's Cello Concerto.

               

I wonder who else heard them - any opinions?

[Dundonnell]

Yesterday, erato wrote in the present-listening-to thread, that he was playing another Röntgen release I din't year yet:

               

I wonder who else heard them - any opinions?

Yes, I have and was very pleasantly surprised at how thoroughly enjoyable and well-written they are! I would agree that No.1 is the most conventional and least interesting but Nos. 2 and 3 are really quite delightful works, full of good tunes! They deserve to be much better known and would make excellent additions to the cello repertoire in concert. Old-fashioned maybe but none the worse for that!

It will be interesting to follow Rontgen's music through the release of the CPO series. I was not particularly taken by Symphony No.3 but the cello concertos and 'Aus Goethes Faust' have impressed me.

[Christo]

It will be interesting to follow Rontgen's music through the release of the CPO series. I was not particularly taken by Symphony No.3 but the cello concertos and 'Aus Goethes Faust' have impressed me.

The point with Röntgen seems to be: the later, the better. In his final years he felt completely free to write music as pleased him, just for the joy of writing music. His style was almost completely outdated by that time (around 1930, when he enjoyed an Indian Summer in his villa `Gaudeamus' in the woods near Utrecht and desgined for him by his son), but the music is often uncomplicated, lyrical, direct and free - and worth a revival.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

The point with Röntgen seems to be: the later, the better. In his final years he felt completely free to write music as pleased him, just for the joy of writing music. His style was almost completely outdated by that time (around 1930, when he enjoyed an Indian Summer in his villa `Gaudeamus' in the woods near Utrecht and desgined for him by his son), but the music is often uncomplicated, lyrical, direct and free - and worth a revival.

I don't know which symphony of his you let me listen to once, Christo, but I found it, as you say, free and unfettered. A sort of controlled stream-of(-musical)-consciousness. Very appealing and surprising.

[Christo]

I don't know which symphony of his you let me listen to once, Christo, but I found it, as you say, free and unfettered. A sort of controlled stream-of(-musical)-consciousness. Very appealing and surprising.

We were probably playing this CD:
               

.. with both his `Bitonal' Symphony (1931) and his Symphony No. 4 in C sharp minor (1930) - both illustrative of your description. The `Music to Goethes Faust' dates from the same late period and might be of equal interest.

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

We were probably playing this CD with both his `Bitonal' Symphony (1931) and his Symphony No. 4 in C sharp minor (1930) - both illustrative of your description. The `Music to Goethes Faust' dates from the same late period and might be of equal interest.

Yes, that's it! And I preferred the symphony whose argument was a bit tighter... Regarding that 'Faust' music - is it purely orchestral?

[Christo]

Yes, that's it! And I preferred the symphony whose argument was a bit tighter... Regarding that 'Faust' music - is it purely orchestral?

Oh, oh. I should have corrected my info before posting: the Symphony in C sharp minor - my favourite - is no longer called his `Fourth' (actually, it's number 8 or something, in a completeseries of at least 21 symphonies) and the `Bitonal Symphony' - your favourite, if I recall well - stems from 1930 too.

The Faust Music rather looks like yet another huge `Faustian' oratorio (like e.g. Tobias' Des Jonah Sendung or Mahler VIII):
             

[J.Z. Herrenberg]

I wonder what Röntgen adds to Berlioz and Schumann (among many others)...

What Havergal Brian did with the Prologue to Faust is not without interest either:

http://www.mediafire.com/?jmdsed11jxi