Let's play a little game

Started by mozartsneighbor, July 10, 2008, 10:48:12 AM

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Wendell_E

Quote from: Sforzando on July 13, 2008, 02:40:40 PM
Berg needed more years, at least to finish Lulu.

Yeah, I'd give him the whole 20, and hope for a third and fourth opera as well.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ― Mark Twain

greg

Quote from: Bonehelm on July 15, 2008, 12:01:07 PM
I don't know...Mahler is among my favourites but I don't want to give him any more years because he might come up with atonal stuff, following Webern and Schoenberg's footsteps. I like my Mahler tonal, please...  0:)
I've thought he would do something like that before, but no, he wouldn't have really gone all out as they did. Some composers have such a unique personality that they'd never do such a thing- Prokofiev, for example. He made his own style and even did the Russian premiere of the Schoenberg op.11 (first all-atonal work), but was never swayed to go into that direction.
Mahler wasn't either, when Schoenberg demonstrated his ideas, although Mahler encouraged him to do his own thing.

You haven't heard the 9th or 10th, have you? There's actually quite a few sections in both Adagios where he crams in all 12 tones in as short of a space as Schoenberg would've- the difference being that he uses standard major-minor-augmented-diminished but with constant appogiaturas and floating from one key to a distant one, to another distant one, etc. The effect is his own, exactly the thing that makes his music seem all at once profound, mystic, transcendent and heart-crushing, which makes his music my favorite and keeps it away from being corny (the use of so many notes and distant keys), although he does come close to being corny many times.

mn dave

Very few (if any) years given to Beethoven.

How f*cking strange.

orbital

If Scriabin had lived a few years longer, we wouldn't exist  :o :o

"Some time before his death he had planned a multi-media work to be performed in the Himalayas, that would bring about the armageddon"
>:D

karlhenning

Quote from: Apollo on July 10, 2008, 10:51:48 AM
Beethoven 10

Chopin 10

Considering how comparatively young Chopin died, it's odd you should yield him only as many as to Beethoven, mon vieux.

mn dave

Quote from: karlhenning on July 16, 2008, 08:04:21 AM
Considering how comparatively young Chopin died, it's odd you should yield him only as many as to Beethoven, mon vieux.

He's lucky I gave him any.  ;D

marvinbrown

Quote from: Apollo on July 16, 2008, 08:06:02 AM
He's lucky I gave him any.  ;D

  Ouch! Chopin can be quite sublime (in a melancholic kind of way if you know what I mean).

  marvin 

mn dave

Quote from: marvinbrown on July 16, 2008, 08:31:40 AM
  Ouch! Chopin can be quite sublime (in a melancholic kind of way if you know what I mean).

  marvin 

Of course I know what you mean. I gave him 10 freakin' years!  ;D

Joe_Campbell

Then how is he 'lucky' you gave him any? ???

mn dave

Quote from: JCampbell on July 16, 2008, 09:07:45 AM
Then how is he 'lucky' you gave him any? ???

He's lucky I didn't give Beethoven more.

karlhenning

Well, and haven't we all wanted a crusty, superannuated Beethoven?

mn dave

Quote from: karlhenning on July 16, 2008, 09:14:50 AM
Well, and haven't we all wanted a crusty, superannuated Beethoven?

Oh, he'd manage just fine.

karlhenning



karlhenning


Sergeant Rock

#35
Quote from: dirkronk on July 15, 2008, 12:33:20 PM
10 extra years to Beethoven. What if he'd given us 5 more piano sonatas...

32 is more than enough for anyone...even Todd  ;D

Quote from: dirkronk on July 15, 2008, 12:33:20 PM
another two symphonies...

He wrote nine; that's all he's allowed. It's the law. All great symphonists are only allowed to complete nine  $:)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

mn dave

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2008, 09:33:18 AM
32 is more than enough for anyone...even Todd  ;D

He wrote nine; that's all he's allowed. It's the law. All great symphonists are only allowed to complete nine  $:)

Sarge

Dirk is da man.  0:)

Tsaraslondon

I'd give Puccini a year - just to find out how Turandot's final scene should really go, and to hear that "big tune" that he never got round to writing. Maybe he'd have only needed a couple of extra months. He was almost there.



\"A beautiful voice is not enough.\" Maria Callas

Keemun

I'd distribute the 20 years as follows:

Bruckner - 5 (to finish his 9th symphony and hopefully compose a 10th)
Mahler - 2 (to finish his 10th symphony)
Mozart - 10 (to see what else he might compose)
Beethoven - 3 (to compose his 10th symphony, thereby amending the law cited above by Sarge)
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. - Ludwig van Beethoven

Joe_Campbell

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 16, 2008, 09:33:18 AM
He wrote nine; that's all he's allowed. It's the law. All great symphonists are only allowed to complete nine  $:)

Shosty had a bit more than that; I haven't had much chance to explore them though, so I don't know how great a symphonists he is.

However, your idea is supported by Mahler. He died trying to write a 10th! ;D