Wagner's Valhalla

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marvinbrown

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 18, 2008, 07:30:13 AM

I highlighted the ones I own. I have Levine's Ariadne on CD (Battle's in this one too), and Kleiber's Vienna Rosenkavalier rather than the Munich. I've been thinking about that Solti Schatten DVD. Do you like it?



Sarge

  Yes I love the Solti Schatten.  It is uncut, excellent sound, somewhat of a modern adaptation, well worth watching!

  marvin

Anne

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 18, 2008, 07:30:13 AM

I may be in the market for a Karajan Ring too. My old set (first generation CDs) has foam fillers and some of them stuck to the CDs! Maddening. I'm having trouble scrapping the stuff off without scratching the CDs. Does anyone have a solution? I've gone through all my opera boxes and thrown those vile foam things out. Should have done it years ago but wasn't aware then that they'd be a problem.

Sarge

I don't know if this would help but the situations do seem a little analogous.  My husband and I were trying to remove some foam rubber padding that had been under the living room carpet and were having a difficult time - scraping and scraping.  Dust filled the room and we were not making much progress.

Then I had a brainstorm.  If the dry method didn't work very well, maybe the wet method would?  We got some water which hubby applied with a mop.  Voila!  Right before our eyes that foam came right off that floor with no effort on our part except to apply a little water.  We were all done in 10 minutes.  Maybe that method will work for you as well as it did for us.  I hope so.

marvinbrown

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 18, 2008, 07:30:13 AM



I may be in the market for a Karajan Ring too. My old set (first generation CDs) has foam fillers and some of them stuck to the CDs! Maddening. I'm having trouble scrapping the stuff off without scratching the CDs. Does anyone have a solution? I've gone through all my opera boxes and thrown those vile foam things out. Should have done it years ago but wasn't aware then that they'd be a problem.

Sarge

  Sarge I am sorry to hear about your foam filler problems, especially as you are having this with the Karajan Ring, your favorite Ring Cycle. Anne's solution just might work but I would caution you do not use any chemicals and don't scrape the CD.  Use a soft cloth and move radially (ie perpendicular to the circumference of the circular CD) I hope all will be well.

  marvin

DavidRoss

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 18, 2008, 07:30:13 AM
I may be in the market for a Karajan Ring too. My old set (first generation CDs) has foam fillers and some of them stuck to the CDs! Maddening. I'm having trouble scrapping the stuff off without scratching the CDs. Does anyone have a solution?
Sarge--just send the set to me and I'll see what I can do.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: DavidRoss on July 19, 2008, 04:21:15 AM
Sarge--just send the set to me and I'll see what I can do.

I smell a trap...
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Anne on July 18, 2008, 06:24:24 PM
Maybe that method will work for you as well as it did for us.  I hope so.

Quote from: marvinbrown on July 19, 2008, 03:11:04 AM
Use a soft cloth and move radially (ie perpendicular to the circumference of the circular CD) I hope all will be well.

Anne, Marvin, thanks. I'll try that.


Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2008, 04:36:27 AM
Anne, Marvin, thanks. I'll try that.


Sarge
It will get rid of some but there will be some really fine particles that will stick to the cd no matter what you do. But it will be much better. My Karajan Ring suffered the same fate since like you I have the original release. Whatever you do DO NOT USE ANY ALCOHOL_BASED solvent or it will eat right through your cd.

DavidRoss

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2008, 04:33:38 AM
I smell a trap...
;D But, seriously, Sarge--I had the same problem with an old Karajan Carmen.  An alcohol solution worked fine for me.  It should not damage the CDs.  Here's proof:
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on July 19, 2008, 05:07:35 AM
It will get rid of some but there will be some really fine particles that will stick to the cd no matter what you do. But it will be much better. My Karajan Ring suffered the same fate since like you I have the original release. Whatever you do DO NOT USE ANY ALCOHOL_BASED solvent or it will eat right through your cd.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

PerfectWagnerite

Go ahead Sarge, knock yourself out, wipe that cd with an alcohol pad. When it eats through the top lining and make your cd about as transparent as a car's windshield you'll have Mr. Smartass here to thank.

Then again, if you read the warning that comes with any cd it will say:

Should the cd be soiled...it can be wiped with a clean and lint-free soft dry cloth. No solvent or abrasive should ever be used on the disc.

I listened to some idiot in the past and tried to get of of the foam residue on my DECCA Ballo en Maschera set with alcohol and guess what, it ate away all the infomation leaving me with what looks like a see-through plastic disc in my hand. Luckily I was wise enough to try it on music that I don't care about first instead of on Wagner or Strauss cds.


DavidRoss

If any concerns about the safety of using an alcohol solution linger after your testimony, I'm sure that Sarge is smart enough to test first on some crap CD...and he's probably smart enough to google the issue as well. 

What is an alcohol pad?  If it's anything like a Brillo pad, that could explain a lot!
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: DavidRoss on July 19, 2008, 10:36:58 AM

  If it's anything like a Brillo pad, that could explain a lot!
What's a Brillo pad? I just used a small dry cotton based pad dipped in ethanol and it was quite destructive.

J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on July 19, 2008, 11:27:10 AM
What's a Brillo pad? I just used a small dry cotton based pad dipped in ethanol and it was quite destructive.

He's joking, PW:

http://www.brillo.com/
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Sergeant Rock

Water and a soft cloth worked on the affected Siegfried and Gütterdämmerung discs but the foam wasn't so tightly bound to the discs as in the Walküre and Rheingold boxes. The discs appear to be pitted though and I don't know if that's going to be a problem eventually (they play okay now...at least the parts I checked).

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

DavidRoss

Good news--for now, at least.  I wonder about the chemical reaction between the foam and the label that bound them together...or maybe the adhesive is a by-product of the foam breaking down over time?  In either case, I wonder if that could be the source of the solvent that seems to have caused PW's grief...and if so, then suspect one ought be very gentle when rubbing the disc to remove the adhesive foam.
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: DavidRoss on July 20, 2008, 05:28:38 AMif so, then suspect one ought be very gentle when rubbing the disc to remove the adhesive foam.

We're going to a wine fest this evening. I plan to soak one of the Walküre discs in distilled water while we're gone, hoping that most of the foam comes off without the need of a cloth.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

uffeviking

I can't help but butt in on this exchange with a question: Why isn't any of you who is having problems with your disc on the cartridge system? I understand you can even have twelve and more discs in a cartridge. I have mine in six discs cartridges and once I insert the new one in the Pioneer cartridge I never have to touch it again, and there is nothing in the cartridge to adhere to a disc.  :)

marvinbrown

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 20, 2008, 05:40:29 AM
We're going to a wine fest this evening. I plan to soak one of the Walküre discs in distilled water while we're gone, hoping that most of the foam comes off without the need of a cloth.

Sarge

  Sarge I am glad to hear that at least 2 of the operas in Wagner Ring cycle were cleaned without incident  :).  If you are going to be doing any rubbing once again I will remind you to keep it to a minimum and remember always move radially (perpendicular to the circumference) of the CD.  i read somewhere that the music is "embedded" for lack of a better word along the circumference of the CD.  Moving radially is the best method of preventing any scatching and damage along the circumference of the CD which could damage the music!! 

  marvin

knight66

This is all beginning to sound like open-heart surgery; but more vital.

Mike
DavidW: Yeah Mike doesn't get angry, he gets even.
I wasted time: and time wasted me.

marvinbrown

Quote from: knight on July 20, 2008, 07:36:05 AM
This is all beginning to sound like open-heart surgery; but more vital.

Mike

  It is more vital than one's heart Mike  $:)!  Wagner's music and not just any music, The Holy Ring Cycle  0:) (marvinbrown does the sign of the holy cross)  0:), is at stake here.  We are talking about some of Sarge's most treasured possessions (the Karajan Ring  0:))- move those CDs to the intensive care unit, assign a team of consultants and specialists to deal with the situation  $:) that's what I say!  This is no time to take matters trivially!

  marvin 

Dancing Divertimentian

#639
Quote from: knight on July 20, 2008, 07:36:05 AM
This is all beginning to sound like open-heart surgery; but more vital.

Mike

Nothing like a downed Wagner disc to rally the troops...

EDIT: Oops, I see Marvin beat me to it.



Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach