Elliott Carter versus John Williams

Started by Homo Aestheticus, September 24, 2008, 06:34:29 PM

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Whose music of these two American composers do you find more dramatic, taking the word 'dramatic' to mean stirring, exciting, exploiting every manner of expression and making a deep and cathartic impression ?

Elliott Carter
25 (71.4%)
John Williams
10 (28.6%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Joe Barron


Mark G. Simon

Quote from: Joe Barron on September 29, 2008, 06:35:48 AM
And its deep and cathartic impression.

Cathartic? More like the insertion of a catheter.

Mark G. Simon

My wife considers earworms to be a curse. I guess she wants control of what plays on her inner iPod.

When I find a tune that plays over and over in my head, I just roll with the punches, enjoy it while it lasts, and something else always comes along to take its place.

The Superman march sounds so much like the Star Wars march and the Indiana Jones march that I don't know if I could keep it straight in my head. I'm sure the director of the movie specifically told Williams to come up with something that sounded just like the Star Wars march. And so he did.

sound67

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on September 29, 2008, 06:50:16 AM
The Superman march sounds so much like the Star Wars march and the Indiana Jones march that I don't know if I could keep it straight in my head.

That doesn't say much about the music, but a lot about your head.  :P

Thomas
"Vivaldi didn't compose 500 concertos. He composed the same concerto 500 times" - Igor Stravinsky

"Mozart is a menace to musical progress, a relic of rituals that were losing relevance in his own time and are meaningless to ours." - Norman Lebrecht

karlhenning

Quote from: Mark G. Simon on September 29, 2008, 06:50:16 AM
My wife considers earworms to be a curse. I guess she wants control of what plays on her inner iPod.

I don't blame her!

I seem to have developed a reliable strategy for exiling ear-worms, so they don't trouble me. 

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: The Ardent Pelleastre on September 28, 2008, 07:08:55 PM
How did I go from my top favorites - Wagner, Debussy, Bruckner, Schubert, Mendelssohn, Richard Strauss, Tchaikovsky and Brahms to the  Superman  soundtrack ?

Jeez, what is happening to me ?

:'(


Relax, Mr. Pink. Williams composed a stirring, emotional score with beautiful, memorable melodies. There's no reason not to enjoy the music. Wagner, Debussy, et al., aren't going away. They'll be waiting for you when you tire of Superman. Me, I hadn't heard the soundtrack in quite a while. I'm playing it now...it's like the return of an old friend, and I'm thoroughly enjoying its company after a heavy day of opera and Roussel symphonies.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

karlhenning


Mark G. Simon

Quote from: karlhenning on September 29, 2008, 07:01:14 AM
I don't blame her!

I seem to have developed a reliable strategy for exiling ear-worms, so they don't trouble me. 

Earworms simply don't trouble me. My head has enough tunes rolling around in it that nothing gets stuck for long. Any music that's memorable enough to get stuck in my head deserves a pat on the back. And I find that Schubert and Prokofiev are two of the stickiest and most earworm-prone composers that ever lived. Can you really complain about getting the Andante from the Great C Major Symphony stuck in your head?

Joe Barron

Quote from: karlhenning on September 29, 2008, 07:01:14 AM
I seem to have developed a reliable strategy for exiling ear-worms, so they don't trouble me. 

Do share.

karlhenning

Quote from: Joe Barron on September 29, 2008, 08:36:07 AM
Do share.

I concentrate on some other powerful tune;  it overpowers the worm, but is not the annoyance that the worm was . . . and my sanity remains intact.

(I think.)

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: karlhenning on September 29, 2008, 08:02:11 AM
Counting on sympathy, eh?  ;D

I tells ya, Karl, that Bizet fella takes real hard listenin' Exhaustin' I tells ya.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

karlhenning

Dancing the Habañera sure do take it out of you, dunnit!?

OTOH, it is Deeply Cathartic . . . .

Joe Barron

Quote from: karlhenning on September 29, 2008, 09:09:49 AM
I concentrate on some other powerful tune;  it overpowers the worm, but is not the annoyance that the worm was . . . and my sanity remains intact.

Yeah, I've tried that. It doesn;t work for me as well as sitcking my hand into the garbage disposal.

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: karlhenning on September 29, 2008, 10:18:16 AM
Dancing the Habañera sure do take it out of you, dunnit!?

It do, Karl...but clogging along to them catchy tunes is the only way I can really git it, know what I mean?
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Szykneij

Quote from: karlhenning on September 29, 2008, 07:01:14 AM
I seem to have developed a reliable strategy for exiling ear-worms, so they don't trouble me. 

Quote from: Joe Barron on September 29, 2008, 08:36:07 AM
Do share.

High voltage electrical shock applied separately to each ring segment is the only known way to kill and preserve them. No wait ... sorry ... that's for sandworms.   :P
Men profess to be lovers of music, but for the most part they give no evidence in their opinions and lives that they have heard it.  ~ Henry David Thoreau

Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines. ~ Satchel Paige

Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Szykniej on September 29, 2008, 03:11:49 PM
High voltage electrical shock applied separately to each ring segment is the only known way to kill and preserve them. No wait ... sorry ... that's for sandworms.   :P

I had a brother-in-law who used to think (probably still does) that shocking himself with the metal claws of jumper cables while the other ends were attached to a car battery was good for the heart.

In small doses.


Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

Szykneij

Quote from: donwyn on September 29, 2008, 04:15:11 PM
I had a brother-in-law who used to think (probably still does) that shocking himself with the metal claws of jumper cables while the other ends were attached to a car battery was good for the heart.

In small doses.




To what did he attach the ends that weren't attached to the battery?   :o
Men profess to be lovers of music, but for the most part they give no evidence in their opinions and lives that they have heard it.  ~ Henry David Thoreau

Don't pray when it rains if you don't pray when the sun shines. ~ Satchel Paige

karlhenning

Quote from: Szykniej on September 29, 2008, 04:20:43 PM
To what did he attach the ends that weren't attached to the battery?   :o

Someone else.

Dancing Divertimentian

Quote from: Szykniej on September 29, 2008, 04:20:43 PM
To what did he attach the ends that weren't attached to the battery?   :o

I never had the courage to ask. ;D


Veit Bach-a baker who found his greatest pleasure in a little cittern which he took with him even into the mill and played while the grinding was going on. In this way he had a chance to have the rhythm drilled into him. And this was the beginning of a musical inclination in his descendants. JS Bach

karlhenning

Quote from: James on October 01, 2008, 09:54:11 AM
ANY music can be compared for its aesthetic/cognitive qualities & values. Does the vision embody a deep spiritual quest? artistic truth? a true free inner voice? real meaning for ages? etc.

Well, but you see, all this is exactly what the OP is claiming to be true for John Williams.