Admit It, You're As Bored As I Am

[Josquin des Prez]

You're right, of course.

The Stravinsky work is greater.

Very funny, but i think it's pretty obvious to most that the Rite is a lesser work to the ones i cited.

[Homo Aestheticus]

What I don't understand about your mindset is why you're not content to love the music and composers you prefer without caring about their relative popularity.  After all, Debussy's opera isn't going to sound better if a bunch of folks on the board agree with you, right?

What it comes down to is that I feel very lonely in my devotion; it would be nice to hear others share their love for it.

Either way, you are right of course.

[Homo Aestheticus]

Very funny, but I think it's pretty obvious to most that the Rite is a lesser work to the ones I cited.

Is The Rite a lesser work than Beethoven's C sharp minor quartet and Bach's  Art of Fugue ?

Without a doubt.

[Bulldog]

What it comes down to is that I feel very lonely in my devotion; it would be nice to hear others share their love for it.

That's where you and I differ.  I don't give a damn what others think of my preferences.  Of course, I'm 61 years old, and you're likely much younger and not as confident of your own choices.

[Bulldog]

Is The Rite a lesser work than Beethoven's C sharp minor quartet and Bach's  Art of Fugue ?

Without a doubt.

I'm sure there are many who have plenty of doubts about the above.  Again, it's not a good idea to take one's personal preference and consider it an objective fact.

[Homo Aestheticus]

That's fine, but I consider the Art of Fugue a much nobler work.

[Bulldog]

That's fine, but I consider the Art of Fugue a much nobler work.

Yes, but the Rite is a much louder work.  Seriously, why compare these two works to one another?  Is there some point you wish to make?

[Homo Aestheticus]

Yes, but the Rite is a much louder work.  Seriously, why compare these two works to one another?  Is there some point you wish to make?

All I'm saying is that I find the Art of Fugue more profound... That's all.

[Homo Aestheticus]

younger and not as confident of your own choices.

Not as confident ?

Let me assure you that at the end of the day my love for it rests solely on its many pages of delicate beauty.

0:)

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Very funny, but i think it's pretty obvious to most that the Rite is a lesser work to the ones i cited.

Perhaps, if those folks have listened to as little music as you have.

But it's a perfectly natural sentiment to those who've bothered to listen to a broad range of classical music.

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Pink, you're bored, aren't you?

[Josquin des Prez]

Perhaps, if those folks have listened to as little music as you have.

I think you are assuming a bit too much about my listening habits, but that's besides the point anyway. I did listen to the Rite, many times in fact, and i also know the Art of Fugue very well, and i happen to think the latter work is greater to the first. Why would i suddenly want to change my opinion if i listened to the Agon ballet, or something by Schoenberg perhaps?

[Dancing Divertimentian]

I think you are assuming a bit too much about my listening habits, but that's besides the point anyway. I did listen to the Rite, many times in fact, and i also know the Art of Fugue very well, and i happen to think the latter work is greater to the first. Why would i suddenly want to change my opinion if i listened to the Agon ballet, or something by Schoenberg perhaps?

And you're assuming far TOO much when you think you can speak for a majority of people.

[Josquin des Prez]

And you're assuming far TOO much when you think you can speak for a majority of people.

But i wasn't speaking for the majority, i was talking about those who's point of view is worthy of respect, that is, those with a love for truth.

For the record, i would place the Rite roughly around the same level as Beethoven's Eroica, give or take. Maybe a little less, but that isn't exactly faint praise.

[Dancing Divertimentian]

But i wasn't speaking for the majority...

What the hell does this say:

Very funny, but i think it's pretty obvious to most that the Rite is a lesser work to the ones i cited.

...i was talking about those who's point of view is worthy of respect, that is, those with a love for truth.

It's already been established that you're woefully inadequate to dictate to anyone just what "truth" is. Your "truth" is buried beneath miles of prejudice. 

For the record, i would place the Rite roughly around the same level as Beethoven's Eroica, give or take. That isn't exactly faint praise.

Oh, for CRYING out loud!!!!

[Josquin des Prez]

What the hell does this say:

Nothing that goes contrary to what i stated. When i said "most" i obviously wasn't talking about those who have never heard of either Stravinsky or Beethoven in the first place, nor those whom i believe do not posses the ability to understand either composer. Therefore, my proposition already contains a level of discrimination from the get go.

It's already been established that you're woefully inadequate to dictate to anyone just what "truth" is. Your "truth" is buried beneath miles of prejudice.

Who's dictating anything? I'm just stating what i believe. If you think i'm wrong, then say so. But you won't, for the very reasons i expounded before.

Oh, for CRYING out loud!!!!

Do you disagree with that assessment or...? 

[Bulldog]

But i wasn't speaking for the majority, i was talking about those who's point of view is worthy of respect, that is, those with a love for truth.

You sound so pompous with that "love for the truth" mantra.

[PSmith08]

You sound so pompous with that "love for the truth" mantra.

I thought that was the joke. Anyone can see the problems with that notion, so I always just figured JdP was putting us on for a larf.

[Que]

Arent we way off topic? The topic being the value of contemporary classical music?

Eric, why are you (amongst others) derailing your own thread? 


Since this thread has effectively been derailed and is going nowhere but to turn bad - I'm seeing plenty of signs of a bad mood appearing, I ask you all to move on. I'm sure there are interesting and constructive discussions to be had. But not on this thread...

Q