Gaps in the recorded symphonic repertoire of the 20th century

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Dundonnell

#40
January 06, 2009, 04:00:13 PM
I have the download already- but when I tried to download again just now as an experiment it just cut out too.

J.Z. Herrenberg

#41
January 06, 2009, 04:00:40 PM
Quote from: Guido on January 06, 2009, 03:54:17 PM
OK I look forward to it Colin!

I get through to that webpage, but when I click the file link it simply brings aup a page which says the webpage cannot be displayed - i.e. when I try to go to this webpage:
http://download261.mediafire.com/malryuojp2zg/m2nzll2yjwi/Havergal+Brian+-+Symphony+22.mp3

Just wondering whether that was happening to any one else.

That link is rather strange. Try the link in my last post, and see what happens.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Guido

#42
January 07, 2009, 04:24:16 PM
No, still nothing  :(
Geologist.

The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away

J.Z. Herrenberg

#43
January 07, 2009, 11:51:39 PM
Quote from: Guido on January 07, 2009, 04:24:16 PM
No, still nothing  :(

That's very strange... Here is the link to my Brian folder, see if you can download from there:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=191b3b8d4da3c14f8c9e7c56ba37815ff04eac5398a24e6c
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

snyprrr

#44
January 08, 2009, 04:38:27 PM
weren't a lot of these withdrawn by the composers themselves? do they actually exist in extant copies? or were they destroyed a la sibelius no8?

Dundonnell

#45
January 08, 2009, 04:57:50 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on January 08, 2009, 04:38:27 PM
weren't a lot of these withdrawn by the composers themselves? do they actually exist in extant copies? or were they destroyed a la sibelius no8?

Eh....NO.

Where a composer withdrew a symphony I have noted that in my lists. So-the Peter Mennnin, Vincent Persichetti, Wallingford Riegger and William Schuman first and second symphonies were all withdrawn by their composers. Similarly, the Harald Saeverud and Dag Wiren first symphonies. The Villa-Lobos Symphony No.5 is apparently lost while Allan Pettersson's 1st was never completed.

This is not to say, of course, that a work withdrawn by the composer will not eventually make it to disc. This, effectively, is what happened with the Roy Harris Symphony No.2.

As far as I am aware however(and I have tried to do my research!) all of the symphonies listed are extant. The only one about whose existence  I am in serious doubt is the Camargo Guarnieri No.7. Some sources say that he wrote 7 symphonies, some say 6 ;D

donaldopato

#47
January 10, 2009, 05:20:49 AM
Quote from: Dundonnell on January 06, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
Yes, I think that the Guarnieri symphonies are most certainly good! Much better-because more tautly constructed-than the Villa-Lobos symphonies.
Villa-Lobos was an interesting composer but his genius lies in the Choros and Bachianas Brasileiras rather than the symphonies, in my judgment.

I shall start a thread about Guarnieri and write more about his music soon. (That's Guarnieri.....and Alan Bush threads to start now ;D)

A second on the Guarnieri Symphonies, wonderful, colorful, well written works. I started on the Villa Lobos Symphonies but lost interest, not so with Guarnieri.
Until I get my coffee in the morning I'm a fit companion only for a sore-toothed tiger." ~Joan Crawford

donaldopato

#48
January 10, 2009, 05:29:41 AM
I tried the Brian Download as well. I am pretty adept at downloading but this one stumped me. When I click Start download, I get a screen with a the big Q Quicktime logo and that is it. I was using FIrefox so I switched to IE, I got a Yahoo Hot Jobs page when I clicked download and then tried again and got page not available.

Mystery to me, I give up. ???
Until I get my coffee in the morning I'm a fit companion only for a sore-toothed tiger." ~Joan Crawford

J.Z. Herrenberg

#49
January 10, 2009, 05:43:33 AM
Quote from: donaldopato on January 10, 2009, 05:29:41 AM
I tried the Brian Download as well. I am pretty adept at downloading but this one stumped me. When I click Start download, I get a screen with a the big Q Quicktime logo and that is it. I was using FIrefox so I switched to IE, I got a Yahoo Hot Jobs page when I clicked download and then tried again and got page not available.

Mystery to me, I give up. ???

Strange, strange. When I click on the link I furnished here, a webpage from Mediafire appears and then the download link becomes visible. I don't understand what's going wrong. Pity, it has always worked in the past. Is Mediafire being blocked or something?!
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

donaldopato

#50
January 10, 2009, 06:32:12 AM
Must be the Brian 22 file as I tried your Brian 29 file to test and it worked fine.
Until I get my coffee in the morning I'm a fit companion only for a sore-toothed tiger." ~Joan Crawford

J.Z. Herrenberg

#51
January 10, 2009, 07:20:51 AM Last Edit: January 10, 2009, 07:30:41 AM by Jezetha
Quote from: donaldopato on January 10, 2009, 06:32:12 AM
Must be the Brian 22 file as I tried your Brian 29 file to test and it worked fine.

Aha! I'll see what I'll do... Thanks!

Later: I uploaded it again. If it doesn't work this time, the Universe has one more riddle...


http://www.mediafire.com/?yvy2nozmzzz

Btw - it had been downloaded 19 times already.  ???
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Dundonnell

#52
January 10, 2009, 11:23:35 AM
I blame the ghost of Sir William Glock ;D ;D

J.Z. Herrenberg

#53
January 10, 2009, 02:25:29 PM
Quote from: Dundonnell on January 10, 2009, 11:23:35 AM
I blame the ghost of Sir William Glock ;D ;D

You may be right!  ;D
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

J.Z. Herrenberg

#54
January 11, 2009, 05:03:06 AM
It seems some files in my Brian folder are corrupt. For those interested, here is a link to Brian's Symphony No. 22, "Symphonia Brevis". This time I have avoided MediaFire:

http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=481332

And No. 24 in D major. Written in 1965. Performed by the London Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Myer Fredman, on 1 April 1973:

http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=481390
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Christo

#55
January 11, 2009, 06:59:50 AM Last Edit: January 11, 2009, 07:12:26 AM by Christo
Quote from: Dundonnell on January 02, 2009, 12:38:11 PM
(Finding dates of composition for some of these symphonies has been incredibly difficult!)

That's to say: if you don't read Dutch  8) ;)

Great lists, Colin! Only now discovering this thread, I read them with admiration.

Quote from: Dundonnell on January 06, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
Yes, I think that the Guarnieri symphonies are most certainly good! Much better-because more tautly constructed-than the Villa-Lobos symphonies. Villa-Lobos was an interesting composer but his genius lies in the Choros and Bachianas Brasileiras rather than the symphonies, in my judgment.

I shall start a thread about Guarnieri and write more about his music soon. (That's Guarnieri.....and Alan Bush threads to start now ;D)

Ah! This time I took measures in time, and played all six (available) Guarnieri symphonies soon after BIS released them. Yes, they're the finest Latin-American symphony cycle that I know of - also served very well by the Sao Paolo SO under John Neschling - who are at the moment doing all the Chôros by Villa-Lobos.

             
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Maciek

#56
January 15, 2009, 08:54:38 AM
Quote from: Maciek on January 04, 2009, 05:00:19 AM
I'd like to point out that the Bacewicz 3rd has been released on CD.

As it turns out: even twice (1. Cracow Philharmonic Orchestra/Roland Bader and 2. Polish Radio Symphony Orchestra/Jan Krenz).

The scores of Symphonies 1 (1945) and 2 (1951) have never been published. Though at least the pieces themselves have been performed - in 1948 and 1951, respectively - so it's still better than with her 6th Violin Concerto. Anyhow, it might be some time before someone records them. OTOH, it's not that a score has to be published for a work to be recorded; why, Szymanowski's Hagith has never been published and it's even available on DVD!

In 1938 she had also written another 1st Symphony but later disowned it.




I'm sure you're all very excited to learn all this. ::)

karlhenning

#57
January 15, 2009, 08:57:02 AM
Interested, certainly, Maciek.

Maciek

#58
January 15, 2009, 09:03:29 AM Last Edit: January 16, 2009, 10:46:36 AM by Maciek
This is, of course, self-nitpicking but I just realized that it is the 1945 1st Symphony that I should have called "another 1st". $:) Perhaps. $:) $:)

[Oh, and I didn't mean to imply that Symphonies 1 & 2 had only been performed once; I don't think that's the case at all]

Dundonnell

#59
January 15, 2009, 09:20:16 AM
I have the Bacewicz 3rd on order :) Expensive...but what the heck ;D
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