Haydn Piano Trios

[Que]

Thanks, Dave

$33.29! What a bargain. Although, I'd still be interested in a 'modern' rendition, I'll be adding this one to the cart very soon.

Another vote for the Van Swieten Trio!
Really great performances, beautifully recorded and a complete set for a very nice price.

I'd leave the "modern" renditions (BAT) for what they are - as can be expected of non-HIP Haydn: rather out-of-character IMO. 

Q

[BorisG]

BAT.

[Steve]

Another vote for the Van Swieten Trio!
Really great performances, beautifully recorded and a complete set for a very nice price.

I'd leave the "modern" renditions (BAT) for what they are - as can be expected of non-HIP Haydn: rather out-of-character IMO. 

Q

I've never been one for non-Hip Haydn, but this Beaux Arts Trio seems to have some of the members hear in a fit of praise.. Might be worth checking out, aye?

[Gurn Blanston]

I've never been one for non-Hip Haydn, but this Beaux Arts Trio seems to have some of the members hear in a fit of praise.. Might be worth checking out, aye?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the BAT trios, Steve. They are beautifully played. As I said earlier, it is only the lightness of the music that suits a fortepiano better than it does a modern concert grand. There are single disks of the BAT set, I bought the one that has #25 on it, the one with the Rondo alla Hongroise on it to try it out. Then I got the box.



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Now playing:
BWV 1046 Brandenburg Concerto #1 - Il Giardino Armonico, Milano/Antonini - BWV 1046 Concerto in F  3rd mvmt - Allegro

[Vidar P]

Sorry to come dragging with this old thread, but since it's anniversary year for Haydns death, a new set has been released. Or at least I think it's new as I haven't seen it in real life yet.

It's the Haydn Trio Eisenstadt set on Phoenix, if I'm not mistaken it was recorded in the acoustically beautiful hall at Schloss Esterhazy, where I've been attending concerts myself.



http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//161PHOENIX.htm

It's on sale at MDT at the moment, and I've ordered one for myself. My favourite has always been the Beaux Arts set on Philips, I've got the three original volumes of boxes on LP's, and they are absolutely wonderful, some of my favourite albums of all times.

I'd be interested to hear if anyone has heard the new Haydn Trio Eisenstadt-set yet?

Regards. Vidar

[Mandryka]

I'm trying to listen to these trios systematically -- working my way through the Beaux Arts Box. And I've just hit the first one that has bowled me over -- Hob. XV:15 in G (Trio 29)

The music seems really exciting. Full of little motifs which seem to me to be onomatopoeias for laughter (If you have Fazil Say's Haydn CD, he writes an interesting essay in the booklet about onomatopoeia in Haydn's piano sonatas). And there is a real role for the cello -- so there are sections with a dialogue in the style of Mozart.

The Beaux Arts seems pretty good -- Pressler especially. But this trio (and maybe the ones which follow -- I don't know yet) is so good I want the best.

Anyway, I thought I'd post this just in case there's anyone else out there who's into this music at the moment.

. . . Haydn was more accustomed to the pattern of conceiving and writing his works in groups (of 3 or 6) than either Mozart or Beethoven. 

That's an interesting comment (made a very long time ago!) Were these trios published as sets?

[Gurn Blanston]

I'm trying to listen to these trios systematically -- working my way through the Beaux Arts Box. And I've just hit the first one that has bowled me over -- Hob. XV:15 in G (Trio 29)

The music seems really exciting. Full of little motifs which seem to me to be onomatopoeias for laughter (If you have Fazil Say's Haydn CD, he writes an interesting essay in the booklet about onomatopoeia in Haydn's piano sonatas). And there is a real role for the cello -- so there are sections with a dialogue in the style of Mozart.

The Beaux Arts seems pretty good -- Pressler especially. But this trio (and maybe the ones which follow -- I don't know yet) is so good I want the best.

Anyway, I thought I'd post this just in case there's anyone else out there who's into this music at the moment.

That's an interesting comment (made a very long time ago!) Were these trios published as sets?

Hob 15:15, 16 & 17 were a set of three. They were alternatively scored for flute instead of violin. I find the set to be one of his best, full of little things like you pointed out. The last movement of #28 (Hob 15:16) is one of my favorite last movements in the trios. They are from 1790, so late rather than early. Don't get caught out by the Hob numbers; 33-38 are very early! Nice works, but not on par with Hob 25-32, for example.



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Listening to:
Goodman, The Hanover Band - Hob 01 070 Symphony in D 1st mvmt - Vivace con brio

[SonicMan46]

Well, I've not been thinking about this thread in a while and suddenly it is re-activated! 

I still just own the Brilliant Box (and am quite pleased), but another one would not be 'out of the question'? 

So, I was just visiting Amazon and the Trio 1790 are up to their 8th volume (which has 2 discs) - is this complete?

Now although I love this group, period instruments, & the CPO label, not sure that I want another 'period' box vs. one w/ modern instruments; back in February, one of our new posters brought up a 'complete' set, also shown below but received no responses?

The group is the Haydn Trio Eisenstadt - an 8-CD set on Capriccio for $27 on the Amazon Marketplace; there is a superlative review on MusicWeb HERE of the first 4-CD release of this group's initial release - would love to hear any opinions on this group's performances in this repertoire and of course any comparisons to the BAT recordings - could this be a 'modern' set equal if not better that the venerable Beaux Arts Trio?   

   

[Gurn Blanston]

Well, I've not been thinking about this thread in a while and suddenly it is re-activated! 

I still just own the Brilliant Box (and am quite pleased), but another one would not be 'out of the question'? 

So, I was just visiting Amazon and the Trio 1790 are up to their 8th volume (which has 2 discs) - is this complete?

Now although I love this group, period instruments, & the CPO label, not sure that I want another 'period' box vs. one w/ modern instruments; back in February, one of our new posters brought up a 'complete' set, also shown below but received no responses?

The group is the Haydn Trio Eisenstadt - an 8-CD set on Capriccio for $27 on the Amazon Marketplace; there is a superlative review on MusicWeb HERE of the first 4-CD release of this group's initial release - would love to hear any opinions on this group's performances in this repertoire and of course any comparisons to the BAT recordings - could this be a 'modern' set equal if not better that the venerable Beaux Arts Trio?   

   

Dave,
Yes, that'll be the last of that set. I have the first 7, looks like I'll need to round up the 8th, thanks for pointing that out.

Haydn Trio Eisenstadt figured into the Brilliant Big Box somewhere too. Not in the trios though, since those are the Van Sweiten box. Some of the  songs are accompanied by a piano trio, perhaps that's where they are. ??  Now having the 1790, BAT and soon the Van Sweiten, I may not be able to justify the HTE set. Yet...



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Listening to:
Goodman, The Hanover Band - Hob 01 072 Symphony in D 2nd mvmt - Andante

[SonicMan46]

Haydn Trio Eisenstadt figured into the Brilliant Big Box somewhere too. Not in the trios though, since those are the Van Sweiten box. Some of the  songs are accompanied by a piano trio, perhaps that's where they are. ??  Now having the 1790, BAT and soon the Van Sweiten, I may not be able to justify the HTE set. Yet...

Gurn - already having the Van Sweiten box, I don't feel a repeat w/ Trio 1790 is needed (although I love this group!) - the HTE have just been such well received & on recent recordings w/ 'modern' instruments, I might just go w/ that group, making one of each - might be just fine w/ me - will report back if I indeed make a purchase! Dave 

[Tomo]

Hoping none of you mind my reason for listening to Haydn, but, as I sit here listening to some of the trios, it just puts me into a state of total peace and relaxation and melts the day's cares away.  Haydn just oozes grace and charm. 

[SonicMan46]

Hoping none of you mind my reason for listening to Haydn, but, as I sit here listening to some of the trios, it just puts me into a state of total peace and relaxation and melts the day's cares away.  Haydn just oozes grace and charm. 

Hello Tomo - these are indeed wonderful works that can be listened to for hours on end!  I agree! 

BTW - I just put in an order for the set below, which should be a good complement to my more HIP set - plan to enjoy also - Dave 

[Gabriel]

Hoping none of you mind my reason for listening to Haydn, but, as I sit here listening to some of the trios, it just puts me into a state of total peace and relaxation and melts the day's cares away.  Haydn just oozes grace and charm. 

It would be very difficult to have a different reaction towards such a beautiful group of works. Great music indeed.

BTW - I just put in an order for the set below, which should be a good complement to my more HIP set - plan to enjoy also - Dave 

Aha!

[Mandryka]

It would be very difficult to have a different reaction towards such a beautiful group of works. Great music indeed.

Aha!

Maybe. But thruth is I am having a real problem seeing what the fuss is about with these trios.

Right now I'm only up to CD 6 in the Beaux Arts box -- and yes, I can see the music is beautiful, graceful charming.

But great -- Rosen's comparison was with the Mozart Piano Concertos -- I guess he meant Pico 14 to Pico 24.

Well quite frankly, with one exception the music calls to mind the Mozart violin sonatas rather than piano concertos . I mean for inventiveness and for being full of ideas they are interesting -- quite -- but not as much as the Piano Concertos.

The exception is Hob. XV:15 in G (Trio 29), which I love.

Maybe the great music will be revealed in CDs 7 through to 9. But so far, I am disappointed. Nice music. Peaceful, and graceful and charming. But not great.

[SonicMan46]

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Maybe the great music will be revealed in CDs 7 through to 9. But so far, I am disappointed. Nice music. Peaceful, and graceful and charming. But not great.

Well, you know - there is absolutely nothing wrong w/ the bolded above statement - often I'm in need of just that kind of music, and Haydn's genius in part maybe his skill in composing such music (and possibly the reason he did write the trios, i.e. not to be 'banged out' in a concert hall, but to please in the salon, dining room, etc.) - but hey just my opinion - 

[Gurn Blanston]

Well, you know - there is absolutely nothing wrong w/ the bolded above statement - often I'm in need of just that kind of music, and Haydn's genius in part maybe his skill in composing such music (and possibly the reason he did write the trios, i.e. not to be 'banged out' in a concert hall, but to please in the salon, dining room, etc.) - but hey just my opinion - 

An opinion, may be, but the fact nonetheless. This genre of music had never to that time been played in a concert hall, nor was it ever intended to be. It is strictly 'private music'. Not even recitals (as we would know them). Best thing is to accept it for what it is and not feel badly that it doesn't rise to expectations that it was never intended to meet.

[Mandryka]

An opinion, may be, but the fact nonetheless. This genre of music had never to that time been played in a concert hall, nor was it ever intended to be. It is strictly 'private music'. Not even recitals (as we would know them). Best thing is to accept it for what it is and not feel badly that it doesn't rise to expectations that it was never intended to meet.

This is all very interesting.

I'm not sure I expressed myself clearly. I didn't mean to focus on the public performance function of piano concertos -- it was just Rosen's comparison which made me refer to them.

There's lots of really profound and interesting private music. Hell, I like solo keyboard music more than most other types.

But what I'm saying is that except for the one trio, they don't seem to me to be as interesting musically speaking as some of Haydn's own later quartets, or Mozart's or Bach's solo violin and cello music . . . But maybe the best is awaiting my discovary

[Herman]

Discs 7 to 9 of the BAT are the ones I usually listen to, when I'm listening to Haydn's Piano Trios. I hear plenty profundity.

I'm a little puzzled by Rosen's comparison to Mozart's Piano Concertos. As Sarah Palin said, in what respect?

I think the more natural comparison would indeed be piano-violin sonatas. Very good ones.

[Mandryka]

Discs 7 to 9 of the BAT are the ones I usually listen to, when I'm listening to Haydn's Piano Trios. I hear plenty profundity.

I'm a little puzzled by Rosen's comparison to Mozart's Piano Concertos. As Sarah Palin said, in what respect?

I think the more natural comparison would indeed be piano-violin sonatas. Very good ones.

Thanks -- I'm gonna get round to Disc 7 tonight.

I don't have Rosen's book -- the one on Classicism. And I have tried to see the text on-line but failed. But apparently there's a whole chapter on the trios and the claim .. well I dunno exactly. I guess that they are very very great, like Concertos 14 - 24 (but unlike the violin sonatas -- which are less than that)

Sorry -- stupid! But it would be nice if someone could precis the point more accurately.

What do you think of the earlier ones?

[ccar]

Hob 15:15, 16 & 17 were a set of three. They were alternatively scored for flute instead of violin. I find the set to be one of his best, full of little things like you pointed out. The last movement of #28 (Hob 15:16) is one of my favorite last movements in the trios.

Hob.XV:16 D major is also one of my favorites. But I hope it is not too sinful to suggest a nonHIP version in this thread



Carlos