Comparing Composers

[Mirror Image]

This Troll is a supermodel compared to what you look like.

How many times do you change the mirror?

What does this have to do with your blatant superiority complex?

[Saul]

I don't think of Saul as a troll, but a very traditional and rigid type of man whose favorite rules are those devised thousands of years ago.  "Change" is not something he would find comfortable.

Thank you, you see broken mirrors, its possible to agree to disagree with respect.

[Mirror Image]

Thank you, you see broken mirrors, its possible to agree to disagree with respect.

In what ways, have you actually respected me and my opinion, Saul? You continue to trash the music I love with carelessness and expect people not to be offended by your assertions that what they enjoy is crap. The only respect you give are to those that agree with your high opinion. Those who do not you mock, belittle, and poke fun at.

You continue to deny Stravinsky's and Schoenberg's greatness, which shows just how blind you are to the world around you. These two composers may not be your cup of tea and that's certainly your right to feel the way you do, but there isn't one classical music aficionado or musical scholar that doesn't recognize these two composers influence and GREATNESS.

[MN Dave]

In what ways, have you actually respected me and my opinion, Saul? You continue to trash the music I love with carelessness and expect people not to be offended by your assertions that what they enjoy is crap. The only respect you give are to those that agree with your high opinion. Those who do not you mock and poke fun at.

You continue to deny Stravinsky's and Schoenberg's greatness, which shows just how blind you are to the world around you. These two composers may not be your cup of tea and that's certainly your right to feel the way you do, but there isn't one classical music aficionado or musical scholar that doesn't recognize these two composers influence and GREATNESS.

Mirror Image, use the IGNORE option in your profile.

[jowcol]

This Troll is a supermodel compared to what you look like.

How many times do you change the mirror?

Okay, I promised I'd stay out, but I can't stop from giggling here!!!  Although it's descended to a level beneath where my kids are arguing in the back seat of the car, my kids were never this unintentionally hilarious, even on the time when they argued to the point of tears over who was the best spitter!

Which begs the question-- who is the best spitter on this board?  Can we get a thirteen year old to judge?  Can someone who is adept at serialism take a crack at the Barney theme, so we can compare it to Webern? 

Thanks for brightening my day.

[Saul]

In what ways, have you actually respected me and my opinion, Saul? You continue to trash the music I love with carelessness and expect people not to be offended by your assertions that what they enjoy is crap. The only respect you give are to those that agree with your high opinion. Those who do not you mock, belittle, and poke fun at.

You continue to deny Stravinsky's and Schoenberg's greatness, which shows just how blind you are to the world around you. These two composers may not be your cup of tea and that's certainly your right to feel the way you do, but there isn't one classical music aficionado or musical scholar that doesn't recognize these two composers influence and GREATNESS.

The only way I would respect your opinion is when I agree with it, that's your logic isn't it?

[Mirror Image]

Mirror Image, use the IGNORE option in your profile.

I think ignoring him is exactly what he wants. The funny thing is he never responds to anyone when they question his opinions. What he continues to do is alienate himself from making a real connection with somebody else.

He thinks I don't respect his opinion, but I have made it quite clear that I respect him, but what I don't respect is his contining onslaught of insults directed at the music that I care about.

Notice how I haven't said anything negative about the composers he likes other than I don't particularly care for their music. I don't like Mozart, but this doesn't mean that I don't respect what he accomplished and that I don't acknowledge his greatness. Saul simply sees music in a very straight line and nothing can deviate from that straight line, but I see music as endless possibilities. His opinion isn't the only one on this forum and he doesn't seem to want to acknowledge this.

[Mirror Image]

The only way I would respect your opinion is when I agree with it, that's your logic isn't it?

So you don't respect anybody else's opinion unless it is the same as your own?  This statement is one of the most childish I've ever read.

[Bulldog]

Saul simply sees music in a very straight line and nothing can deviate from that straight line, but I see music as endless possibilities. His opinion isn't the only one on this forum and he doesn't seem to want to acknowledge this.

Saul sees everything in a straight line, and he's sticking to it until his last breath.

[Mirror Image]

Saul sees everything in a straight line, and he's sticking to it until his last breath.

I believe it.

[Teresa]

Then he was hugely, hugely wrong. It's among the most common chord progressions of all, as common if not more so than IV V I.

Thanks for the reply Luke, I just realized I might have it backwards, since you say II, V, I is the most common chord progression for finales.

Could it be IV, V, I was the new shocking progression introduced by Haydn in the finale of the Surprise Symphony?

I know it was many decades ago, I clearly remember my teacher saying that this was the real Surprise.

[Saul]

So you don't respect anybody else's opinion unless it is the same as your own?  This statement is one of the most childish I've ever read.

The Irony ...

[Mirror Image]

The Irony ...

There is no irony. There is simply you trashing the composers I love and me respecting the ones you love. There is no argument if you can't respect the person's opinion. Nobody will respect you, if you can't respect them. It's as simple as that.

[Saul]

There is no irony. There is simply you trashing the composers I love and me respecting the ones you love. There is no argument if you can't respect the person's opinion. Nobody will respect you, if you can't respect them. It's as simple as that.

Care to explain why I can't trash the composers you like?
Its not an attack on you personally, don't you agree?

[Bulldog]

Care to explain why I can't trash the composers you like?

But why would you want to trash certain composers?  Wouldn't you rather devote your time to the composers you most appreciate?

[Szykneij]

This thread has careened around so quickly it's hard to keep up.

The question of greatness should not be an issue of semantics here. I had a great night's sleep last and the sugar frosted flakes I had for breakfast were great, but this is a classical music discussion forum and the use of the word great in the context of this thread demands a superior degree of achievement, influence, and ability. No matter how much you love Dr. Seuss, he wasn't a greater writer than Hawthorne and no matter how many Thomas Kinkade pictures you own, he's not a greater painter than Picasso. To say Mozart and Schoenberg were not great is equally as ridiculous. "It's great because I think it is" won't fly.

Despite the fact I have a degree in music and make my living teaching music, I am usually humbled when I come to this forum by the incredible knowledge and insight posters have here. There is much music I don't get, but I know enough about music to understand it's a failing I have and not of the music. Perhaps when some individuals learn more about music, they will realize how much more they have to learn.

A reality of internet forums is that individuals who would be avoided, ignored, or dismissed in polite society (or perhaps punched in the nose in unpolite society) have a soapbox to proselytize while avoiding actual interaction and the requisite interpersonal skills for an authentic social encounter. When Wikipedia and Youtube are offered as definitive sources to defend an argument, it's probably time for all of us to move on.

[Mirror Image]

Care to explain why I can't trash the composers you like?
Its not an attack on you personally, don't you agree?

There's nothing wrong with stating your opinion, but notice how I just said I didn't like Mozart. Did I go into detail about why I don't like him? No, because I think you really don't care to know my opinion or anyone else's for that matter. You are only concerned with that straight line, which you continue to walk.

[Saul]

But why would you want to trash certain composers?  Wouldn't you rather devote your time to the composers you most appreciate?

Because one can learn much from exchanging ideas.

[Bulldog]

Because one can learn alote from exchaning ideas.

I can't get better with language if you keep writing sentences like the above.

[Saul]

I can't get better with language if you keep writing sentences like the above.

You're right, sorry, I was just typing too fast.