Comparing Composers

[Mirror Image]

Care to explain why I can't trash the composers you like?

I never said you can't trash any of the composers I like, but at the same time, it shows your disrespect for me when you continue to belittle those composers I think are great.

There can never a mutually satisfying conversation when the other person constantly degrades the music I love. I don't expect you to understand any of this, but cutting down other people's opinions, doesn't make you look better.

[Saul]

I never said you can't trash any of the composers I like, but at the same time, it shows your disrespect for me when you continue to belittle those composers I think are great.

There can never a mutually satisfying conversation when the other person constantly degrades the music I love. I don't expect you to understand any of this, but cutting down other people's opinions, doesn't make you look better.

Many people here hate other people's choice of composers they love. This is natural.

[Mirror Image]

Many people here hate other people's choice of composers they love. This is natural.

You can hate what I like all you want to. That's not the point I'm trying to make to you, Saul. The point is that you show no respect for other people's opinions. Your responses to me and others in this thread is further evidence that you don't respect anyone but yourself and your own high opinion.

[Bulldog]

Many people here hate other people's choice of composers they love. This is natural.

I prefer to hate certain humans; hate is too strong a word for a piece of music.

[Saul]

I prefer to hate certain humans; hate is too strong a word for a piece of music.

You know what I mean, not hate but disdain, scorn, dislike...and so on

[Teresa]

Saul I am confused, you basically said any composers after Brahms were worthless.  Yet we discover you are actually a classical composer yourself  , and unless we are in some weird time warp you were born way after Brahms died.  He lived from 1833-1897.

So if you like your music, can you not concede that there must be other modern composers you would like?  Did you listen to the clips I provided of Jennifer Hidgon?  She is very tonal and accessible. 

I also dislike atonal music such as the Schoenberg you harp on.  However there is a huge variety of modern classical music still being written (yes it is classical music), including neo-modern, neo-classical and neo-romantic.  As a composer I cannot understand how you can close you mind to other living composers and claim they are all worthless just because they were born after Brahms.

[Saul]

Saul I am confused, you basically said any composers after Brahms were worthless.  Yet we discover you are actually a classical composer yourself  , and unless we are in some weird time warp you were born way after Brahms died.  He lived from 1833-1897.

So if you like your music, can you not concede that there must be other modern composers you would like?  Did you listen to the clips I provided of Jennifer Hidgon?  She is very tonal and accessible. 

I also dislike atonal music such as the Schoenberg you harp on.  However there is a huge variety of modern classical music still being written (yes it is classical music), including neo-modern, neo-classical and neo-romantic.  As a composer I cannot understand how you can close you mind to other living composers and claim they are all worthless just because they were born after Brahms.

I meant to say that any composer even contemporary that composes music in the classical baroque style and creates quality music , is way better then the modernists who departed from the old school of classical music.

[Teresa]

I prefer to hate certain humans; hate is too strong a word for a piece of music.

I do not hate any humans and I try very hard to love and understand them even when they are difficult.  I guess you might say I hate Hitler for his mass torture and execution of the Jews.  But this is an impersonal hate as I never met the monster.  I have never meet anyone I even strongly dislike, it helps to use empathy to understand other people's feelings.

However music has much stronger emotions, there is tons of music I hate, just as there is tons of music I love. 

[Saul]

I do not hate any humans and I try very hard to love and understand them even when they are difficult.  I guess you might say I hate Hitler for his mass torture and execution of the Jews.  But this is an impersonal hate as I never met the monster.  I have never meet anyone I even strongly dislike, it helps to use empathy to understand other people's feelings.

However music has much stronger emotions, there is tons of music I hate, just as there is tons of music I love.

I also didn't mean to say that I hate the actual modernist composers, but you could  say that I strongly dislike their music, but I would never hate it. There is no need to hate modernist music, it might be terrible to my ears, but I would never hate it. There is no evil in modern music, I keep the word hate for evil , cause I hate evil.

Regards,

Saul

[MN Dave]

I think ignoring him is exactly what he wants.

No, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the assclown doesn't want.

[(poco) Sforzando]

Thanks for the reply Luke, I just realized I might have it backwards, since you say II, V, I is the most common chord progression for finales.

Could it be IV, V, I was the new shocking progression introduced by Haydn in the finale  [no, the second movement] of the Surprise Symphony?

I know it was many decades ago, I clearly remember my teacher saying that this was the real Surprise.

I already answered this point this morning. The surprise is the loud chord. The harmonic progression is commonplace.

[Saul]

Banality at its best

http://www.youtube.com/v/PxRpLA4sBFg&feature=related

[Saul]

And pure beauty

http://www.youtube.com/v/VK4vWzQCQxU&feature=PlayList&p=57BADBA1EAA18E36&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=27

[Mirror Image]

You see, Saul can't hold an intelligent conversation, so he continues to recycle the same opinions over and over again until we're all sick.

[Scarpia]

You see, Saul can't hold an intelligent conversation, so he continues to recycle the same opinions over and over again until we're all sick.

Congratulations.  You've discovered the central fact of this web site.   

[Saul]

You see, Saul can't hold an intelligent conversation, so he continues to recycle the same opinions over and over again until we're all sick.

You know Whining is not a virtue.

[Saul]

And pure beauty

http://www.youtube.com/v/VK4vWzQCQxU&feature=PlayList&p=57BADBA1EAA18E36&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=27

I just want to tell everyone here in all seriousness, that I am totally amazed and astonished at the beauty of this amazingly wondrous work by Mozart.

[Scarpia]

I just want to tell everyone here in all seriousness, that I am totally amazed and astonished at the beauty of this amazingly wondrous work by Mozart.

After this discussion, I think I can speak for most of us when I say that I am amazed and astonished that you can figure out whether you should put your socks on before your shoes, or the other way around.

[Saul]

After this discussion, I think I can speak for most of us when I say that I am amazed and astonished that you can figure out whether you should put your socks on before your shoes, or the other way around.

Why does it bother you that I love Mozart's music?

Look who is been offensive and disrespectful.. what have I ever done to you?

[Bulldog]

Saul's on a roll now.  In just this one thread, he gets to praise what he likes, reject what he doesn't and give us examples of his compositional skills and performance characteristics.  I'm outta here....