Saul's Music Space

[Saul]

Saul, bless you heart, didn't anyone ever teach you any manners?   You mother never told you that boasting, tooting your own horn, flaunting any complementary word anyone ever offers you is crass, rude, and shows a lack of good taste?  Have you failed to notice that you are the only person on this entire web site who engages in such behavior?  Are you really that starved for attention, that you have to stoop this low?

Its not about attention but discussion to find out the truth of the matter.
Apparently, some people here were 'insulted' by my music, therefore I offered a counter argument showing them clearly, that other people think otherwise and in fact enjoy my music very much.

Cheers,

Saul

[Teresa]

And a fan who calls a Romance (presumably a piano solo piece?) a song ; )

Huh?  You won't have many sales requiring a litmus test of your fan base.  I believe in being more gracious to those who read or listen to my works.   

It is also possible that the music lover was influenced by the terminology of "iTunes" which calls are works regardless of genre "songs"?

[Saul]

Huh?  You won't have many sales requiring a litmus test of your fan base.  I believe in being more gracious to those who read or listen to my works.   

It is also possible that the music lover was influenced by the terminology of "iTunes" which calls are works regardless of genre "songs"?

Teresa, you're a genius, God bless you.

Best,

Saul

[Luke]

Saul - genuinely interested question, no agenda, and completely OT, apologies: why have you stopped writing 'God' with the - in the middle recently? I've noticed it a few times now.

[Scarpia]

Saul - genuinely interested question, no agenda, and completely OT, apologies: why have you stopped writing 'God' with the - in the middle recently? I've noticed it a few times now.

You imply he doesn't know how to spell his own name?   

[Saul]

Saul - genuinely interested question, no agenda, and completely OT, apologies: why have you stopped writing 'God' with the - in the middle recently? I've noticed it a few times now.

Look here with the emphasis on Writing the Name of God http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

[Luke]

I don't mind how he chooses to spell this word, it's obviously of importance to him, so I was just interested. No agenda, as I said.

Though I have to say.....back on topic........if a composer chooses to call a piece a song, that is one thing, and indicative of thought on their part. For a listener to call any piece of music a song whether it is or isn't, does seem to indicate a basic lack of understanding of how music works, which in turn, to me, shows a general lack of meangingful engagement with the art form. Unless the composer indicates otherwise, a song is something that is sung! (BTW Songs without Words - the clue is the without words bit - he's saying, this is instrumental music aspiring to the condition of vocal music; Grieg's 'Songs for piano' - the only ones I am aware of are the arrangements he made of his voice+piano songs; Mahler's Songs for orchestra.....remind me, I can't think what they are)

[Luke]

Look here with the emphasis on Writing the Name of God http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

Gotcha. Thank you. So - still OT, but still no agenda, just interested - is this something you have changed your mind about recently?

[Saul]

Gotcha. Thank you. So - still OT, but still no agenda, just interested - is this something you have changed your mind about recently?

Yes, apparently people were getting annoyed with this and I didn't want to explain the reason over and over again therefore I researched and looked into it and found the recent rabbinical rulings about this matter that permits typing the name of God on the computer, for reason mentioned in the link.

Cheers,

Saul

[Luke]

I see, that's interesting, I appreciate you explaining it.

(Could try to wrench that back on topic by making the connection to the idea of changing one's habits of notations and spellings and so on, but I won't!)

[Saul]

I don't mind how he chooses to spell this word, it's obviously of importance to him, so I was just interested. No agenda, as I said.

Though I have to say.....back on topic........if a composer chooses to call a piece a song, that is one thing, and indicative of thought on their part. For a listener to call any piece of music a song whether it is or isn't, does seem to indicate a basic lack of understanding of how music works, which in turn, to me, shows a general lack of meangingful engagement with the art form. Unless the composer indicates otherwise, a song is something that is sung! (BTW Songs without Words - the clue is the without words bit - he's saying, this is instrumental music aspiring to the condition of vocal music; Grieg's 'Songs for piano' - the only ones I am aware of are the arrangements he made of his voice+piano songs; Mahler's Songs for orchestra.....remind me, I can't think what they are)

That's like saying that a person can't enjoy a good piece of cake, until he finds out what were the ingredients and when was it baked, which bakery and who was the actual baker.

Usually when I go to my friends and family and they put in front of me a delicious looking blueberry cheese cake, no questions asked, I just take a fork and get some coffee or milk and begin to eat and enjoy it.

Many at times, and perhaps people will realize this sometime in the future that they enforce a blockade on themselves, totally afraid to enjoy something to the fullest until they found out all the details and until it passed all the checkpoints of their intelligence.

I say, forget the name, forget the baker, just listen to the music and enjoy, perhaps with a good cheese cake if possible..

Regards,

Saul

[Luke]

That's like saying that a person can't enjoy a good piece of cake, until he finds out what were the ingredients and when was it baked, which bakery and who was the actual baker.

No it's not - to take your analogy, it's more like saying, let the person enjoy the cake as much as they want, but if they call it a loaf of bread, then perhaps don't give too much credence to their opinions on cullinary quality.

[Saul]

No it's not - to take your analogy, it's more like saying, let the person enjoy the cake as much as they want, but if they call it a loaf of bread, then perhaps don't give too much credence to their opinions on cullinary quality.

Its so amusing because Karl decided to make fun and not check who were these two people who Dared to write beautiful compliments about my Romance In E minor.

But if you click on their pages you will see that they are both musicians...

But of course for Karl and yourself, they are both dumb deaf and stupid for liking my music...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTVLrNrjHJA

Same goes for the G minor

http://www.youtube.com/user/rwicker05yes

[knight66]

I am not clear why you care what Luke or Karl think; you show no respect for their advice or liking for their music. Why bother going on and on?

Just post your pieces and let people make up their minds.

Mike

[Saul]

I am not clear why you care what Luke or Karl think; you show no respect for their advice or liking for their music. Why bother going on and on?

Just post your pieces and let people make up their minds.

Mike

Cause they are human beings that have an opinion, and believe it or not I want to listen to all opinions, those that make sense I listen.

How?


1. When Luke and some others pointed out some problems with notation, I thanked them and said that I will revise the work .

2. When they said that I should further study harmony , I agreed, and accepted what they said.

3. When they suggested that I should explore some modern elements with my music, I said I would look into it.

But when Luke and some others have said that they were 'insulted' by my music because it had flaws, I explained to them that this kind of approach is wrong, by firstly pointing out that even the Greats didn't compose their music without faults, as so brilliantly illustrated by Bernstein who totally destroyed Beethoven's capability as a composer if you separate each aspect of his music, the melody, the harmony, the orchestration, they are 'nothing' he said it not me. But people apparently didn't find any 'insults' with Beethoven's music even though  it was not free of flaws.

And secondly by providing a list of people and listeners, some of them musicians, who actually do enjoy my music and like it very much.

Best Wishes Knight,

Saul

[knight66]

Well, we are now at a point where all sides have explained their position very clearly and at length. People are now going round in circles. My advice to you all is to give it a rest, for the benefit of the Board. Move on and expend the energy elsewhere.

Mike

[Saul]

Well, we are now at a point where all sides have explained their position very clearly and at length. People are now going round in circles. My advice to you all is to give it a rest, for the benefit of the Board. Move on and expend the energy elsewhere.

Mike

I have no problem with that.

Regards,

Saul

[Luke]

But when Luke and some others have said that they were 'insulted' by my music because it had flaws, I explained to them that this kind of approach is wrong, by firstly pointing out that even the Greats didn't compose their music without faults, as so brilliantly illustrated by Bernstein who totally destroyed Beethoven's capability as a composer if you separate each aspect of his music, the melody, the harmony, the orchestration, they are 'nothing' he said it not me. But people apparently didn't find any 'insults' with Beethoven's music even though  it was not free of flaws.

As I said earlier, Saul, you really seem to have been upset by my use of the word insulted earlier - you've mentioned it many times since then, and I can see it agrieves you, so I am sorry about that.

I did already try to explain to you what I meant by it, and it wasn't what you have repeatedly said, as you did just now - that I was insulted by your music. What I said was, my musical intelligence feels insulted when it is asked to read and decipher something that doesn't make sense notationally, with a view to playing the piece. I'm not talking about the sound of the music here, I'm talking from a performer's perspective about the feeling of frustration you get when you expect one thing and get another. There is, I think, something implied in posting one's music online, and it's this: 'here is my piece, I have worked hard on it for you, the listener and, in the case of the score, for you, the performer, I have made sure that all is legible, that the notation fits the sense of the music so that you won't have to do any unnecessary deciphering'. But when I see one of your scores, Saul, the impression I get is more 'here is my piece, I hope you like the sound of it, but because I like the sound it makes when I press play, I'm not that bothered by how it looks for you if you are going to try to play it yourself'. That feeling is a little unpleasant for the performer, it feels a little disrespectful, as if you are telling them that they don't really matter. And it would be so easily solved with the notational scrub-up I've advised.

Listening to your pieces I don't feel insulted, Saul, even if they aren't to my taste. It's only as a potential performer that your scores give off that feeling that you don't really care about me (  )

[Luke]

Yep, just saw that, Mike. Only to happy to oblige.

[Antoine Marchand]

Well, we are now at a point where all sides have explained their position very clearly and at length. People are now going round in circles. My advice to you all is to give it a rest, for the benefit of the Board. Move on and expend the energy elsewhere.

Mike

http://www.youtube.com/v/rSjK2Oqrgic