The Crisis of Tonality

[not edward]

I was going to say Gustav Mahler, whose Klagende Lied and First Symphony already sound exactly like Gustav Mahler. But then I remembered: he was influenced by that earlier master, Hans Rott 

Sarge

Janacek is close. But I think there's something of the Dvorak symphonic poems in there.

[Teresa]

just regretting Liszt is still regarded as a lesser composer.
Regarding tonality, his work is huge and various, especially at the end of his carrier.
Most of his contribution is often attributed to Wagner or Debussy instead.

Franz Liszt is one of my very favorite composers, curious who considers the father of the symphonic poem a lesser composer?

His Mephisto Waltz No. 1 "Dance in the Village Inn" for orchestra is perhaps one of the most exciting pieces of music ever written IMHO and one of my absolute favorites.

I love his thirteen symphonic poems especially Tasso, The Battle of the Huns and Les Préludes.

I love the orchestral versions of his six Hungarian Rhapsodies.

The Todtentanz for Piano and Orchestra is IMHO the finest piece ever written for piano and orchestra and the finest use of the "Dies Irae" theme ever.  Plus his two Piano Concertos I consider the finest in the genre.

And who cannot love his little ditty, Hungarian March to the Assult?

In short I consider Franz Liszt one of the top ten composers. 

[karlhenning]

Degeneracy applies to music as well, we used to have decency laws.  There is some music that is so degenerate that it should not exist.  Schoenberg's assault against the world of music should be banned, just the same is we ban child pornography, murder and other socially unacceptable behavior.  Why we tolerate this as a society I do not know.  Until such as time we as a society realize real freedom is not the freedom to be degenerate BUT the freedom from degeneracy.

Is anybody else reminded of a particular 20th century ideology here?

Oh, I am! I am!

Teresa, may we call you the Queen of Entartete Musik?

[Mirror Image]

Sorry but isn't that the same thing?    Or is he admitting that other composers can still write new and original tonal works but not him?  I fail to see any distinction here.

This thread is titled "The Crisis of Tonality" and many of us who love modern tonal works KNOW this Crisis is OVER!  So my post is very much on target.  I will live to see the death of ugly atonal avant-garde because it offers nothing at all for the listener to enjoy.   And is perhaps the most important subject in the realm of classical music, it must be revealed for what it is so more composers are not sucked into its web!

In time the bleakness, ugliness and depravity of the Second Viennese School will soon be in the dustbin of history.  It was a perverted era and we are outgrowing it and returning to real music.

No, Schoenberg thought the logical step for him as a composer in classical music was to explore music beyond tonality. This was what he believed. Again, don't imbue the truth with your own view of it.

None of your posts are not on target as you claim. They only reveal one opinion. Whereas the majority of the members who have participated on this forum have expressed favorable views of Schoenberg, which only proves that his music is still very much an influence and why he's one of the most talked about composers of all time. His music is still causing controversy and shaking up people to this day.

Love him or hate him, he's here to stay and the positive feedback from those on this forum is only further proof of this notion.

[karlhenning]

Love him or hate him, [Schoenberg is] here to stay and the positive feedback from those on this forum is only further proof of this notion.

QFT

[MN Dave]

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The Crisis of Tonality

[karlhenning]

Crisis? What Crisis?

[greg]

Yeah, that Teresa post I found quite hilarious, too.

[Saul]

Its good to know that you guys are never tired with arguing.

Greg : Blah balha blah... blah?

Karl : Blah blaah blhab..blah blah blah...

James : Blala blah blah blah...............................blah blah


Teresa: Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..


Florestan : Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Mirror image : blah? blah!!! blah blah blah !

Sergent rock : Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..

Elgarian : Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..

Edward : Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah.. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. ?............blahh blah.. Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..

[jowcol]

Its good to know that you guys are never tired with arguing.

Greg : Blah balha blah... blah?

Karl : Blah blaah blhab..blah blah blah...

James : Blala blah blah blah...............................blah blah


Teresa: Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..


Florestan : Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Mirror image : blah? blah!!! blah blah blah !

Sergent rock : Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..

Elgarian : Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..

Edward : Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah.. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. ?............blahh blah.. Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah..

I feel left out.

Jowcol: blah blah blah zen blah blah blah zen blah blah......

[Saul]

I feel left out.

Jowcol: blah blah blah zen blah blah blah zen blah blah......

Yes, you too!!!

[jowcol]

Yes, you too!!!

Thank God.  I thought I had failed as a failed poster.....

[Saul]

Thank God.  I thought I had failed as a failed poster.....

Haha!

[greg]

I feel left out.

Jowcol: blah blah blah zen blah blah blah zen blah blah......

The "zen" part in there is right. Though maybe it should read more like this:
"blah blah blah zen blah blah blah zen blah blah. Your mileage may vary."

[Saul]

The "zen" part in there is right. Though maybe it should read more like this:
"blah blah blah zen blah blah blah zen blah blah. Your mileage may vary."

Haha!

[Mirror Image]

I particularly like what Saul wrote for me:

"blah? blah!!! blah blah blah !"

The question mark at the end of the first "blah" was kind of curious, but then the sudden violent "blah" that followed with the three exclamation points was quite funny.

[greg]

I particularly like what Saul wrote for me:

"blah? blah!!! blah blah blah !"

The question mark at the end of the first "blah" was kind of curious, but then the sudden violent "blah" that followed with the three exclamation points was quite funny.

Now that I read it that way, it is kinda funny! 

btw, James, you missed about 50 pages worth of "blah," though I can understand how you wanted to abridge it.

I think Nigel Tomm's "The Blah Story" might have been influenced by Saul, as well.

[Mirror Image]

Now that I read it that way, it is kinda funny! 

btw, James, you missed about 50 pages worth of "blah," though I can understand how you wanted to abridge it.

I think Nigel Tomm's "The Blah Story" might have been influenced by Saul, as well.

The most amusing part of all of this is just far out Saul is from this conversation. He has contributed nothing but childish remarks to this forum, which makes me wonder how old this "Saul" person truly is?

[Chaszz]

"Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more;
it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

No better description of much of this thread could be written.

[(poco) Sforzando]

SAUL :

Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah.. Blah blah blah blah blah
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.............blahh blah.. Blah blah blah blah blah
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ad infinitum, you get the point...

You might have just written, "Da capo senza fine," which is a direction you see in one of the Chopin mazurkas that pretends to be never-ending.