Fraud alert - Argerich Collection 3

[Scarpia]

This is just ridiculous, and I am annoyed at myself for not checking.  The recent installment of the Argerich Collection (3rd volume) is billed as the complete "chamber ensembles."  Specifically, the copy on the package reads "her complete ensemble recordings for Deutsche Grammophon."  Well, they are not all there.  The recording I was most interested in, the Argerich/Rostropovich Chopin Sonata is not there, as well as a lot of the best known recordings, like the Prokofiev Violin Sonatas. 

Who would imagine that now you have to be concerned that Deutsche Grammophon will put blatant lies in their advertising copy.

[Conor71]

Yes! - I love her solo Piano collection (No. 1) and was quite excited when I heard that there was to be a chamber music edition as well, but I decided against getting it after checking the contents .

[Gurn Blanston]

It has been my unfortunate experience to have discovered quite some time ago that many (most?) record companies do not consider accompanied sonatas to be "chamber music". I don't agree with them, which only makes it hard cheese for me.



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[Scarpia]

Yes! - I love her solo Piano collection (No. 1) and was quite excited when I heard that there was to be a chamber music edition as well, but I decided against getting it after checking the contents .

Well, I've had something of an epiphany.  If this company thinks nothing of defrauding me, why do I willingly give them my money. All of their recordings can be downloaded for free using facilities such as bit-torrent, no? 

[Conor71]

Well, I've had something of an epiphany.  If this company thinks nothing of defrauding me, why do I willingly give them my money. All of their recordings can be downloaded for free using facilities such as bit-torrent, no?

I dont have a problem with anyone downloading torrents, as not all of us are lucky enough to be able to afford the recordings we want, but in saying that I am still stuck on buying and owning recordings! .
I guess I am rarely disappointed with the service record companies provide as I dont have any illusions that they are doing anything to benefit me particularly but as you say they could at least be honest when they sell us on the notions of complete collections by an Artist/Composer! .

[Drasko]

This is just ridiculous, and I am annoyed at myself for not checking.  The recent installment of the Argerich Collection (3rd volume) is billed as the complete "chamber ensembles."  Specifically, the copy on the package reads "her complete ensemble recordings for Deutsche Grammophon."  Well, they are not all there.  The recording I was most interested in, the Argerich/Rostropovich Chopin Sonata is not there, as well as a lot of the best known recordings, like the Prokofiev Violin Sonatas. 

Obviously according to DG piano duo is an ensemble while string/piano duo isn't

None of her recordings as a duo with string players has been included, and there are many: Beethoven, Schumann and Prokofiev with Kremer; Beethoven, Bach and couple recital discs with Maisky and Chopin with Rostropovich. That is 11 CDs, so perhaps there will be another box(es).   

[Scarpia]

Obviously according to DG piano duo is an ensemble while string/piano duo isn't

None of her recordings as a duo with string players has been included, and there are many: Beethoven, Schumann and Prokofiev with Kremer; Beethoven, Bach and couple recital discs with Maisky and Chopin with Rostropovich. That is 11 CDs, so perhaps there will be another box(es).

If I had realized there were so many I would have noticed that they would not fit in the format of the box provided.  But there were a few that I knew of and was looking forward to hearing.

Well, I will look forward to getting Collection 4 from demonoid.   

[Satzaroo]

I got bamboozled as well; through the Colunbia Record Club, I purchased 7 cds comprising the "complete" piano sonata ouput of Schubert played by Alfred Brendel on the Philips label. About half a dozen sonatas were not included, but a disc of Impromptus was. Go  figure!

[Herman]

"defrauded", "bamboozled"...

The customer is always right, isn't he?

DG is probably going to issue a box with Argerich and Kremer and Rostropovich; I don't think there's any worries about this. And yet Scarpia feels "defrauded" these recordings aren't in the chamber music box, and that's why he will rather download these recordings free, so that maybe DG will be broke before they can issue the duo sonatas box?

And about the Brendel Schubert sonatas. This box was obviously "complete" in the sense that these are all the Schubert recordings Brendel made with Philips / Universal in the digital era. The irony is, if you had gone to a brick-and-mortar record store you would have been able to ascertain what was in the Brendel collection. However you opted for a cheaper, more convenient way of shopping, and then this is what happens.

[Conor71]

DG is probably going to issue a box with Argerich and Kremer and Rostropovich; I don't think there's any worries about this.

Yes this looks likely! - I am going to do a backflip and collect all the rest of the Argerich re-issues as they are released and once the price has fallen a bit on the 3rd-Party market .

[Scarpia]

"defrauded", "bamboozled"...

The customer is always right, isn't he?

DG is probably going to issue a box with Argerich and Kremer and Rostropovich; I don't think there's any worries about this. And yet Scarpia feels "defrauded" these recordings aren't in the chamber music box, and that's why he will rather download these recordings free, so that maybe DG will be broke before they can issue the duo sonatas box?

The copy on the box reads: "Here, on this specially priced set, are her complete ensemble recordings on Deutsche Grammophon."  Can you explain to me why a piano and a piano is an ensemble and a piano and cello is not an ensemble?

I have never deferred purchase of a disc because I could get a pirated download because I want to support the record labels.  I don't see any incentive to support DG at this point.   If they go broke, their catalog will be purchased by another company which will be less unscrupulous and incompetent in distributing it.  I'd consider that a good thing.

[Daverz]

Somebody contact Matthew Tepper ASAP.

[Scarpia]

Somebody contact Matthew Tepper ASAP.

Every once in a while I drop by that newsgroup and am astonished to see that he hasn't let up yet.

[Gurn Blanston]

Every once in a while I drop by that newsgroup and am astonished to see that he hasn't let up yet.

I wondered that when I first read Daverz' post. I first met Tepper and his duck back in 1998. He was listening to Berlioz... 

[Sergeant Rock]

The irony is, if you had gone to a brick-and-mortar record store you would have been able to ascertain what was in the Brendel collection. However you opted for a cheaper, more convenient way of shopping, and then this is what happens.

I'd love to be able to shop once again in an actual store. I think we all would. But the fact is: there are no brick and mortar stores left that sell a substantial or even useful selection of classical music...not in my area anyway (Mainz-Worms-Mannheim). Most of the stores that specialized in recordings were dead even before I went online in 1999. The stores that sell recordings along with other merchandise (like MediaMarkt) have reduced their stock to a few hundred CDs and rarely--actually never--have the CDs I'm looking for.

Sarge

[Brian]

I'd love to be able to shop once again in an actual store. I think we all would. But the fact is: there are no brick and mortar stores left that sell a substantial or even useful selection of classical music...not in my area anyway (Mainz-Worms-Mannheim). The stores that specialized in recordings were dead even before I went online in 1999. The stores that sell recordings along with other merchandise (like MediaMarkt) have reduced their stock to a few hundred CDs and rarely--actually never--have the CDs I'm looking for.

Sarge

Ironically (and much to my dismay), Houston, Texas had a superb classical shop (ignore the outdated home page: it is my dream store!), but initial inquiries suggest to me that London has no classical shops at all. A classical-loving professor of mine told me the other day, "your best bet is likely the HMV superstore."

[The new erato]

I'd love to be able to shop once again in an actual store. I think we all would. But the fact is: there are no brick and mortar stores left that sell a substantial or even useful selection of classical music...not in my area anyway (Mainz-Worms-Mannheim). The stores that specialized in recordings were dead even before I went online in 1999. The stores that sell recordings along with other merchandise (like MediaMarkt) have reduced their stock to a few hundred CDs and rarely--actually never--have the CDs I'm looking for.

Sarge

Agree. And unfortunately, many companies release woefully inadequate information on the discs they release. I just listened to a new Oehms disc I bought, no way to find out that this is a live recording (even from the cover so a bricka and mortar wouldn't have helped); I doubt I would have bought it if I knew (live recordings are OK, but I usually wait for reviews before buying because of the risiks involved). This disc I bought depending on the artists reputation, but the singing have weaknesses definitely associated with live recordings and normally corrected on studio issues. Had I known it was live I would have waited.

[petrarch]

Ironically (and much to my dismay), Houston, Texas had a superb classical shop (ignore the outdated home page: it is my dream store!), but initial inquiries suggest to me that London has no classical shops at all. A classical-loving professor of mine told me the other day, "your best bet is likely the HMV superstore."

Foyles has a good selection. Found some 20th C music there that I don't usually find in the regular stores I go to.

[Guido]

Agree. And unfortunately, many companies release woefully inadequate information on the discs they release. I just listened to a new Oehms disc I bought, no way to find out that this is a live recording (even from the cover so a bricka and mortar wouldn't have helped); I doubt I would have bought it if I knew (live recordings are OK, but I usually wait for reviews before buying because of the risiks involved). This disc I bought depending on the artists reputation, but the singing have weaknesses definitely associated with live recordings and normally corrected on studio issues. Had I known it was live I would have waited.

If they're not selling a new recording as "live recording" but it was in fact recorded live, it's usually because it will be a series of live concerts that they have cut and edited together to make the best possible disc. So it's not "live" in the traditional sense.