What were you listening to? (CLOSED)

[Sadko]

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Janacek: On an overgrown path, with Firkusny

[Sergeant Rock]

That may be a reason to snap one up.  Instead of getting another that sounds similar, this one could add a new wrinkle that have never heard.  However, the word "giant" has me a bit worried.

I love Goodman's Haydn...but hate what I view as a very egotistical  continuo part (way too prominent--artificially induced obviously--you'd never hear it like this in a concert hall) in music that really doesn't need a continuo. But I overlook that fault and just enjoy his rough-edged, raucous and joyous band. Wish he'd been able to complete the cycle.

Sarge

[Coopmv]

That may be a reason to snap one up.  Instead of getting another that sounds similar, this one could add a new wrinkle that have never heard.  However, the word "giant" has me a bit worried.

Bill,  Just a heads up.  It appears many if not all CD shipments from the UK are being held up, perhaps by the homeland security folks in the aftermath of that failed bomb attack via some trans-Atlantic cargo plane less than 2 months ago.  I have 6 shipments between MDT and Presto being held up somewhere since a week before Christmas.  The last CD shipment I received from the UK was 2 weeks before Christmas ...   

[Gurn Blanston]

That may be a reason to snap one up.  Instead of getting another that sounds similar, this one could add a new wrinkle that have never heard.  However, the word "giant" has me a bit worried.

  Well, other than being freakin' hilarious, there is little to justify that sales pitch. True enough, Goodman does play continuo on that disk, but it isn't really gigantic-sounding, in fact, it is hard to even pick it out. That controversy between Hogwood and Goodman on using continuo or not was probably only relevant to the visual aspect of seeing it being played. It would take a giant harpsichord to be heard over a band of 18 players.

That said, I really do enjoy the Goodman set. I think it was Lethe who encouraged me to buy them, and no regrets at all. BRO was/is the way to go, Bill, I got the entire lot for $50 or so.



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Combattimento Consort Amsterdam \ de Vriend     Paul van Zelm (Horn) - K 386b 412 514 Concerto #1 in D for Horn 1st mvmt - Allegro

[Gurn Blanston]

I love Goodman's Haydn...but hate what I view as a very egotistical  continuo part (way too prominent--artificially induced obviously--you'd never hear it like this in a concert hall) in music that really doesn't need a continuo. But I overlook that fault and just enjoy his rough-edged, raucous and joyous band. Wish he'd been able to complete the cycle.

Sarge

Hey, Sarge,
Well, clearly we don't agree on the prominence of the continuo, and also on which side of the argument to believe vis-a-vis its propriety (I'm actually neutral, I can take it or leave it, and I think it was authentically used sometimes and not used other times). However, we agree on the performances, it is just what you said. Including the unfinished lament. One more disk, that's all it would have taken to get 79-81. And Hogwood stopped in the same damned place! Damn their eyes! 

[FideLeo]

Hey, Sarge,
Well, clearly we don't agree on the prominence of the continuo, and also on which side of the argument to believe vis-a-vis its propriety (I'm actually neutral, I can take it or leave it, and I think it was authentically used sometimes and not used other times). However, we agree on the performances, it is just what you said. Including the unfinished lament. One more disk, that's all it would have taken to get 79-81. And Hogwood stopped in the same damned place! Damn their eyes! 

-oo-  giant harpsichord continuo : zero harpsichord continuo  -oo-

I mean Goodman and Hogwood complement each other pretty well 

[Bogey]

Brought this 77 discussion over to the Haydn Haus.

[Bogey]

Bill,  Just a heads up.  It appears many if not all CD shipments from the UK are being held up, perhaps by the homeland security folks in the aftermath of that failed bomb attack via some trans-Atlantic cargo plane less than 2 months ago.  I have 6 shipments between MDT and Presto being held up somewhere since a week before Christmas.  The last CD shipment I received from the UK was 2 weeks before Christmas ...   

Good to know.  Thanks, Stuart!

[Antoine Marchand]

Hey, Sarge,
Well, clearly we don't agree on the prominence of the continuo, and also on which side of the argument to believe vis-a-vis its propriety (I'm actually neutral, I can take it or leave it, and I think it was authentically used sometimes and not used other times). However, we agree on the performances, it is just what you said. Including the unfinished lament. One more disk, that's all it would have taken to get 79-81. And Hogwood stopped in the same damned place! Damn their eyes! 

IMO Goodman prefers stronger accents and a more prominent bass line than Hogwood (but the same can be said about Pinnock's Sturm und Drang cycle and about Harnoncourt, notoriously his Paris symphonies); but you're right, it's not the harpsichord stealing the show. Anyway, my opinion is rather uninformed because although I own all the symphonies recorded by Hogwood, I just have two discs with Goodman. 

[SonicMan46]

Bach, JS - Organ Works w/ Ton Koopman et al - CDs 2 & 3 - Schubler Chorale Preludes & 'The Eighteen' Chorale Preludes - really nice mixture of choral singing & organ playing - instrument used on these 2 discs is from Grote Kerk, Leeuwarden - 

 

[mahler10th]

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I got this courtesy of Soapy Molloy some time ago.  I can see the old goat Bruckner at the Organ now....in fact, here is the 'Bruckner Organ' in Linz!

(Although, as you can see, Edwin Horn, who is brilliant, is not playing on the 'Bruckner Organ'.  Lionel Rogg did Bruckner 8 on the Organ, or passages of it, and I'll listen to that next for another thread)

[Coopmv]

Now playing CD2 from this set for a first listen ...

[Coopmv]

-oo-  giant harpsichord continuo : zero harpsichord continuo  -oo-

I mean Goodman and Hogwood complement each other pretty well 

IIRC, Goodman used to be a violinist with the AAM under Hogwood ...

[FideLeo]

IIRC, Goodman used to be a violinist with the AAM under Hogwood ...

And he used to sing for the Choir of King's College, Cambridge, presumably NOT under Hogwood. 

[Coopmv]

And he used to sing for the King's College, Cambridge, presumably NOT under Hogwood. 

That could be under David Wilcock or Philip Ledger ...   

[FideLeo]

That could be under David Wilcock or Philip Ledger ...   

Yes, Wilcocks I think.    Anyway, Goodman has long left Hogwood's service when the latter started recording his Haydn (semi-)cycle.

[abidoful]

I like Philip Ledger, I have one of his records; songs of Rachmaninov & Chopin

[Sergeant Rock]

  Well, other than being freakin' hilarious, there is little to justify that sales pitch. True enough, Goodman does play continuo on that disk, but it isn't really gigantic-sounding, in fact, it is hard to even pick it out.

Okay, even if you have some hearing loss I can't believe you have a hard time picking it out of the mix, Gurn    In any case, Bill can sample it at JPC here.

That controversy between Hogwood and Goodman on using continuo or not was probably only relevant to the visual aspect of seeing it being played. It would take a giant harpsichord to be heard over a band of 18 players.

Which is why I object to Goodman. Even during the loudest tuttis I can still hear him banging away like a madman for no discernible reason. There had to be a microphone placed right next to the instrument, with a sound engineer boosting the signal to make Goodman heard.

But I understand if some like the addition of the sound of a dancing skeleton. Nice to have choice 

Edit: I should add that I find the continuo less objectionable in this recording than in several others from Goodman. He seems a tad more discreet and tasteful in 77.

Sarge

[Coopmv]

Yes, Wilcocks I think.    Anyway, Goodman has long left Hogwood's service when the latter started recording his Haydn (semi-)cycle.

But Hogwood's Haydn Symphonies was pretty much his last major project with L'oiseau Lyre as the conductor of AAM.  Goodman was with the AAM probably in the early 1980's.

[bhodges]

Bill,  Just a heads up.  It appears many if not all CD shipments from the UK are being held up, perhaps by the homeland security folks in the aftermath of that failed bomb attack via some trans-Atlantic cargo plane less than 2 months ago.  I have 6 shipments between MDT and Presto being held up somewhere since a week before Christmas.  The last CD shipment I received from the UK was 2 weeks before Christmas ...   

Thanks much for posting that information. A friend who ordered some CDs from Crotchet has been waiting much longer than he usually does, and couldn't understand the delay. I'm passing this on to him.

--Bruce