Composers almost equally good in other arts (or professions)

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Opus106

Quote from: The new erato on November 08, 2011, 04:37:53 AM
Why is there no mention of Wagner here?

Don't you recognize extortion, swindling, seduction and revolution as legitimate trades?

I'm actually finalising the list of similarly great men. ;D
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Navneeth

Archaic Torso of Apollo

ETA Hoffmann. Famous in his own time as a composer and pioneer of Romanticism in music; nowadays known almost entirely for his literary achievements.
formerly VELIMIR (before that, Spitvalve)

"Who knows not strict counterpoint, lives and dies an ignoramus" - CPE Bach

Opus106

Robert Simpson. BBC Producer. Read more about his life here.
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Navneeth

Karl Henning

Quote from: The new erato on November 08, 2011, 04:37:53 AM
Why is there no mention of Wagner here?

Don't you recognize extortion, swindling, seduction and revolution as legitimate trades?

Occupy Bayreuth!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Dax

Dane Rudhyar - an underrated and most interesting composer. He was also a leading astrologer. A painter also, although I don't know anything about the quality of his artwork. Well, I'm not into astrology, but I do know that Rudhyar is considered quite a force in that field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dane_Rudhyar

Fan Noli - a most interesting Albanian who composed some orchestral works but was better known as a poet, translator (including some bits of Shakespeare Bacon), an orthodox bishop and prime minister of Albania for some months in 1924. His work Scanderbeu is not a symphony (as Wiki claims) but a symphonic poem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_S._Noli

Lisztianwagner

Richard Wagner: besides being a composer, he was also a conductor, theatre director, philosopher, music theorist, poet, essayist and writer.
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

BobsterLobster

Quote from: Dax on November 08, 2011, 09:40:17 AM
Dane Rudhyar - an underrated and most interesting composer. He was also a leading astrologer. A painter also, although I don't know anything about the quality of his artwork. Well, I'm not into astrology, but I do know that Rudhyar is considered quite a force in that field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dane_Rudhyar

I had no idea he also composed, I read many of his astrology books. Is he any good?

Luke

The author Anthony Burgess (whose most famous work is A Clockwork Orange, but whose many, many other books have often thirlled me far more) thought of himself as a composer first, but one who happened to be better at writing. References to music abound in his books, right down to the novel he constructed following the model of the Eroica

Karl Henning

Quote from: Luke on November 08, 2011, 09:58:51 AM
. . . References to music abound in his books, right down to the novel he constructed following the model of the Eroica

I don't like to say how long I've been meaning to read that one . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Dax

Quote from: BobsterLobster on November 08, 2011, 09:54:54 AM
I had no idea he also composed, I read many of his astrology books. Is he any good?

He certainly is. There are several recordings of his piano pieces by Michael Sellers whose playing is  defective IMO.  William Masselos, on the other hand, very much had the right idea as his recordings of Granites (my particular favourite), Stars and Paeans testify.

Here's Stars (Masselos) - http://www.nme.com/nme-video/youtube/id/LEuP78AJQJk

Granites - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twqnM2SEKas
which has the advantage of showing the dots as well. The pianist is not identified but the performance is nowhere near as well thought out as that of Masselos.
He's one of those composers who form part of the anti-European "ultra-modernist" American movement championed by Cowell in the 1920s and therefore is linked with the likes of Ives, Ruggles, Varese, Crawford . . .

jlaurson

Quote from: karlhenning on November 08, 2011, 03:49:09 AM
Henry VIII enjoyed signal success as a marriage counselor.

More-so even as a liberalizer of divorce laws, cutting the red tape (not just) which allowed for perfectly natural divorces, rather than being protracted year-long procedures, to take place in a matter of seconds. Given a well-trained executor. Changed marriage in one (or more) fell swoop(s).

mc ukrneal

Quote from: jlaurson on November 08, 2011, 11:03:41 AM
More-so even as a liberalizer of divorce laws, cutting the red tape (not just) which allowed for perfectly natural divorces, rather than being protracted year-long procedures, to take place in a matter of seconds. Given a well-trained executor. Changed marriage in one (or more) fell swoop(s).
That post is truly a cut above...so sorry...  :P
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BobsterLobster

Quote from: Dax on November 08, 2011, 10:38:54 AM
He certainly is. There are several recordings of his piano pieces by Michael Sellers whose playing is  defective IMO.  William Masselos, on the other hand, very much had the right idea as his recordings of Granites (my particular favourite), Stars and Paeans testify.

Here's Stars (Masselos) - http://www.nme.com/nme-video/youtube/id/LEuP78AJQJk

Granites - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twqnM2SEKas
which has the advantage of showing the dots as well. The pianist is not identified but the performance is nowhere near as well thought out as that of Masselos.
He's one of those composers who form part of the anti-European "ultra-modernist" American movement championed by Cowell in the 1920s and therefore is linked with the likes of Ives, Ruggles, Varese, Crawford . . .

Wow, great stuff, particularly like the 1st youtube link. I'll check some more out, thanks!

Xenophanes

Some composers did music criticism. Schumann and Berlioz come to mind

Sally Daley, QM, composes, plays the organ, piano, and flute, directs choirs and so on.  We once went over Bach Cantata No. 82 with her piano, and the second time we did it, she brought out the upper and lower parts and the oboe solos. She used to do remarkable paintings, too.

http://www.apimusic.org/composersb.cfm?ln=D

DieNacht

Some interesting posts & undiscovered material here, thanks.

Mendelssohn´s water colours, made when almost everyone of elite upbringing was taught how to draw and paint water-colours, can be charming and very much belong to the Biedermeier style:

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/loc.natlib.ihas.200156435/default.html

sometimes they have a more rugged expression:
http://www.google.dk/imgres?q=mendelssohn+water+colour&um=1&hl=da&biw=1467&bih=725&tbm=isch&tbnid=G9_FlZiNthfx0M:&imgrefurl=http://classicalmusicmayhem.freeforums.org/mendelssohn-s-paintings-and-sketches-t1657.html&docid=Vg3J_tzUZEsmbM&imgurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/composers/mendelssohn/pictures/images/mendelssohn_15.jpg&w=860&h=480&ei=Wce7Tp32G6eQ4gTK1IxT&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=599&vpy=162&dur=1802&hovh=168&hovw=301&tx=249&ty=109&sig=109207640279368497012&page=1&tbnh=144&tbnw=258&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:14,s:0

A few more painter-composers could be mentioned:

Lord Berners did a lot of painting, cf.

http://www.google.dk/imgres?q=lord+berners+paintings&um=1&hl=da&sa=N&biw=1467&bih=725&tbm=isch&tbnid=pAxFSMJnBvIk0M:&imgrefurl=http://tweedlandthegentlemansclub.blogspot.com/2011/07/lord-berners-last-ecentric.html&docid=9EGqjTFjbH4C0M&imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1sZUw94dVsw/ThVg467WNxI/AAAAAAAAKCU/ZX6q_pkxEe4/s400/lord%25252Bberners%25252Bpainting%25252Bhis%25252Bhorse.jpg&w=400&h=302&ei=MMO7TqezIOLN4QTRtPWkCA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=2&sig=109207640279368497012&page=1&tbnh=180&tbnw=241&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=144&ty=83

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http://www.artfact.com/artist/berners-gerald-hugh-tyrwhitt-wilson-rxc1y2w1ig

Satie & his playful drawings / manuscripts could fill a book, cf.
http://www.google.dk/imgres?q=satie+dessin&um=1&hl=da&biw=1467&bih=725&tbm=isch&tbnid=DMTCX6D5MLxf3M:&imgrefurl=http://www.myspace.com/507356614/photos/albums/album/843176&docid=PNwbRpCagTU3NM&itg=1&imgurl=http://a3.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/145/b15fd1874d7f4285859bb7308e1b77be/m.png&w=170&h=239&ei=3sS7TtjAGKLc4QTNmYmXCA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=318&vpy=251&dur=2216&hovh=191&hovw=136&tx=108&ty=80&sig=109207640279368497012&page=3&tbnh=165&tbnw=117&start=42&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:16,s:42

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http://www.google.dk/imgres?q=satie+drawing&um=1&hl=da&biw=1467&bih=725&tbm=isch&tbnid=hsCyv4AzUuznoM:&imgrefurl=http://otphiegriotos.blogspot.com/2010_07_01_archive.html&docid=Tx-WJ9WAhlmL4M&imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_s8JyxbYrSG0/TFNpAf4suII/AAAAAAAABd4/PlXXHwyhhK8/s1600/satie%252B%2525C3%2525A0%252Bmorhange003.jpg&w=1052&h=1600&ei=jcS7Ts7YFIHT4QT7xL20CA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1086&vpy=164&dur=4478&hovh=277&hovw=182&tx=76&ty=124&sig=109207640279368497012&page=10&tbnh=173&tbnw=117&start=201&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:201

and Carl Ruggles did painting as well:
http://musicmavericks.publicradio.org/features/slideshows/slideshow_ruggles3.htm

F.A.D. Philidor composed a lot, some of his music has been recorded, but he is mainly known as a master of chess:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I7Mjmzr9kI



North Star

Quote from: DieNacht on November 10, 2011, 03:55:10 AM
Some interesting posts & undiscovered material here, thanks.

Mendelssohn´s water colours, made when almost everyone of elite upbringing was taught how to draw and paint water-colours, can be charming and very much belong to the Biedermeier style:
http://www.themendelssohnproject.org/about_tmp/activities/artworks_2.htm


Quote from: North Star on November 08, 2011, 01:21:21 AM
Mendelssohn made some paintings and drawings http://www.themendelssohnproject.org/about_tmp/activities/artworks_2.htm
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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DieNacht


mc ukrneal

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North Star

Quote from: DieNacht on November 10, 2011, 08:15:42 AM
Sorry for the repeated reference, have deleted it.

No reason to feel bad about it, I merely meant that I had mentioned Mendelssohn's talents in visual arts, too. I guess my response might seem less than polite, though.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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Chaszz

Quote from: North Star on November 08, 2011, 01:21:21 AM
...I'm not really a fan, but Wagner's librettos are surely worthy of the music he composed. And he wrote other stuff, too.

I am a fan, so maybe I have slightly more standing in the matter. I think Wagner's librettos are so far below his music as to be barely tolerable, mostly in respect of the fact that they inspired his music. A good example is Gotterdammerung, one of his greatest operas and one of the most ridiculous and absurd plots ever conceived. There are exceptions, of course, such as Die Walkure. I think someone who does not really revere the music, as North Star admits, can't properly compare the libretto and the music.