Haydn's Haus

[Elgarian]

Ah, no, wait. I can already see I'm doing the right thing, because Nav's list (see below) gives the three flute trios as Hob 15/16/17 which is exactly what I assumed them to be. So my 5 really is Hob 5, and not 18. Ha!

1790	28	16	D	Fortepiano, Flute (or Violin) & Cello
1790	29	15	G	Fortepiano, Flute (or Violin) & Cello
1790	30	17	F	Fortepiano, Flute (or Violin) & Cello

[Karl Henning]

. . . All very confusing, but not my fault.

Hey, I'm inclined to believe him!

[Leo K.]

Wow. Thank you Gurn and Opus for that Trio rundown!

It...it, all suddenly seems so clear! 

[kishnevi]

No, actually, that IS the full run! They also did 2 disks on the Nimbus label, the one I rec'd the other day with #31 and the horn concertos by Joseph  and Michael, and then the 2nd has #100 & 104 (I think). SO yeah, you're all good, Congratulations!

That loud noise you heard just now is my checking account's sigh of relief.
Now to go hunt up those Nimbus CDs for future reference.

[Gurn Blanston]

Wow. Thank you Gurn and Opus for that Trio rundown!

It...it, all suddenly seems so clear! 

Wow, you must be worse off than you ever thought you were!   

I must say though, that chart is clearer than anything I've ever read, I combined info from 3 or 4 different sources to make it. It just isn't an easy chronology to deal with. Once numbers are assigned, they are written in stone.



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Now playing:
  Gudrun Dengler (Cembalo) - Hob 16_27 Sonata in G for Keyboard 2nd mvmt - Menuet

[Gurn Blanston]

That loud noise you heard just now is my checking account's sigh of relief.
Now to go hunt up those Nimbus CDs for future reference.

I got them both 'used' on AMP virtually new for <>$5 each. Within the last year.

[Opus106]

[I shall] go through Navneeth's's list with them in hand (thanks Navneeth - that surely is service beyond the call of duty), to make sure I'm doing the right thing.

You're welcome, Alan; I'm glad the Haydnistos here find it useful, but to be fair, it's Gurn's list. He's the one who has put in the effort to untangle what's clearly non-untangleable for the faint of heart. Moreover, despite the high improbability of its happening, I don't want to be the one reprimanded by the spirit of H. C. Robbins Landon for getting a number or two wrong somewhere in that list. 

[Gurn Blanston]

You're welcome, Alan; I'm glad the Haydnistos here find it useful, but to be fair, it's Gurn's list. He's the one who has put in the effort to untangle what's clearly non-untangleable for the faint of heart. Moreover, despite the high improbability of its happening, I don't want to be the one reprimanded by the spirit of H. C. Robbins Landon for getting a number or two wrong somewhere in that list. 

Aye, that's it; with the credit goes great responsibility.   Well Texas is an awfully big place, I'm safe...

[Mandryka]

What styles are you into?

It's not that easy to get just 68... but there are options, all of which have merits:

Hogwood is OOP, me thinks. Fischer. Harnoncourt.

I've been listening to 68 again recently and the more I listen the more I love the work.

The Hogwood/Harnoncourt contrast seems to me to really interesting, Hogwood elegant, refined; Harnoncourt much more comic. Is one of them more authentic in terms of style than the other?

In the adagio cantabile Hogwood finds some deeply humane music, very touching. The sort of humanity and depth of feeling which maybe I've (wrongly) associated more with Mozart than with Haydn. Harnoncourt doesn't quite touch me in the same way.

Nevertheless I think that the Harnoncourt recording is altogether more successful poetically than the Hogwood. Hogwood doesn't tell an interesting enough story in that long adagio, while Harnoncourt does: Harnoncourt is full of dramatic contrasts, the progress of the music has exciting twists and turns which keep me rapt.

Harnoncourt in the final movement is unforgettable -- the energy of it.

Let me know if you know any other interesting 68s. This is a symphony well worth exploring.

[Leo K.]

Wow. Pinnock's account of Haydn's Stabat Mater is glorious and life affirming. What a piece of music, and how wonderful to know what good for Haydn's career this work was!

[Gurn Blanston]

Wow. Pinnock's account of Haydn's Stabat Mater is glorious and life affirming. What a piece of music, and how wonderful to know what good for Haydn's career this work was!

It IS a great work, I listened to it just the other night and marveled at it's simple beauty.   0:)

That account of the Paris reception of the Stabat Mater came from this book:



When we get into the 1780's I will be recommending it. On the downside, it has a grueling chunk of analysis in it, way over MY head! On the upside, it has a really nice chunk of history in it, including the reception of the works, and things leading up to it (like why Haydn was popular already in Paris). For $6, can't go wrong.



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Now playing:
One of those very rare modern instrument disks, which I quite like;
  Kazuo Okumura (Violin) \ Hans Dusoswa (Viola) - Hob 06_02 Sonata in A for Violin & Viola 1st mvmt - Allegro

[Karl Henning]

Saw this in the store to-day, any opinions?

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[Karl Henning]

And: opinions on the Buchberger Quartet Brilliant box of The Lot?

[Opus106]

Saw this in the store to-day, any opinions?

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You didn't ask for facts, but here is one anyway: that one is a subset of the box show below. It's their entire (stereo) recordings of Haydn's works for string quartet recorded for DG.

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Their earlier traversal of Viennese classical is part of DG's Original Masters series, which was later licensed to Brilliant Classics.

[Gurn Blanston]

Saw this in the store to-day, any opinions?

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Haven't heard them play Haydn, Karl, but if they are true to form, it will be rather Romanticized playing. Lots will like it...

And: opinions on the Buchberger Quartet Brilliant box of The Lot?

Boy, I keep getting reminded to listen to those. Several here have done, opinion has been mixed (Sonic Dave really liked them, IIRC). After 2 years of sitting on the shelf, I guess they need to sit in the player for a while...

[Karl Henning]

You didn't ask for facts, but here is one anyway: that one is a subset of the box show below. It's their entire (stereo) recordings of Haydn's works for string quartet recorded for DG.

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Their earlier traversal of Viennese classical is part of DG's Original Masters series, which was later licensed to Brilliant Classics.

A most excellent fact, Nav, thank you!

[Karl Henning]

Boy, I keep getting reminded to listen to those. Several here have done, opinion has been mixed (Sonic Dave really liked them, IIRC). After 2 years of sitting on the shelf, I guess they need to sit in the player for a while...

Hmm . . . I almost wonder, Gurn, if this very delay somehow signifies . . . .

[Karl Henning]

Haven't heard them play Haydn, Karl, but if they are true to form, it will be rather Romanticized playing. Lots will like it...

Reckon I'll need to sample me some sound-clips.

[Gurn Blanston]

Hmm . . . I almost wonder, Gurn, if this very delay somehow signifies . . . .

I can't say yea or nay to that, Karl. Fact is, I got those as a throw-in in the Big Box. I don't need any more SQ's, so I haven't paid any mind. Plus, my two favorite opera are missing or partly missing, Opp 50 & 76. So the urge is just not there.... (they may be the best recordings ever made...).

[Gurn Blanston]

Reckon I'll need to sample me some sound-clips.

The only MI SQ's I ever liked, beyond the Carmina's Op 76, is the Tokyo SQ. YMMV.