Haydn's Haus

[Uncle Connie]

so I started off with 4 box sets (Hickox, Weil, Harnoncourt and Burdick).

I too have Hickox and Weil and am a fan of both, very much so.  I have three or four of the Burdick single discs and find them very good, but never quite superb.  Harnoncourt I haven't gotten around to yet.  I also own Gardiner's set of the last six, and many of the earlier (analogue) releases from such English eminences as Preston/Guest/Willcocks/Atherton, who combined for a near-full set as I recall.  (I'm missing a couple.)  Plus some single discs.  It continues to amaze me just how infectious I find Haydn's religious music though personally I'm about as religious as an amoeba.  I think in part it has to be that, despite not having the same beliefs and feelings that Ol' Papa obviously did, I am absolutely mesmerized by the intensity with which he could turn his own belief system into music that can speak to anyone.  Even an unbeliever.

And on a tangential topic, read this:

     www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/arts/music/16owen.html?pagewanted=all

on why Dr. Owen Burdick was not able to complete the entire set of the Masses for Naxos. 

[Gurn Blanston]

I've ordered that, together with the L'arcobudelli boxes of Beethoven and Mozart. 

It's true that I paid more than $15, on the other hand I get an image on the cover that conveys the divine better than Rococo stone angels can. 

Well, the Beethoven and Mozart disks hurt me more than the Haydn does (being boxed up and given away). I bought most of the Beethoven as it was released, which was a good thing since it has been virtually unobtainable since then. But the Mozart was already nearly unobtainable, and it took me several years to collect the single disks, at great cost. So if they are in a bot set, strongly advise anyone to snap  them up (especially if they include any of the Tafelmusik disks along with). Great value!

[Gurn Blanston]

I too have Hickox and Weil and am a fan of both, very much so.  I have three or four of the Burdick single discs and find them very good, but never quite superb.  Harnoncourt I haven't gotten around to yet.  I also own Gardiner's set of the last six, and many of the earlier (analogue) releases from such English eminences as Preston/Guest/Willcocks/Atherton, who combined for a near-full set as I recall.  (I'm missing a couple.)  Plus some single discs.  It continues to amaze me just how infectious I find Haydn's religious music though personally I'm about as religious as an amoeba.  I think in part it has to be that, despite not having the same beliefs and feelings that Ol' Papa obviously did, I am absolutely mesmerized by the intensity with which he could turn his own belief system into music that can speak to anyone.  Even an unbeliever.

And on a tangential topic, read this:

     www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/arts/music/16owen.html?pagewanted=all

on why Dr. Owen Burdick was not able to complete the entire set of the Masses for Naxos.

Ah yes, I forgot Gardiner in there too, although I have the separate disks, not the box. I like that Gardiner, despite it being big enough to be played at St. Peter's.

The Harnoncourt;


has some very nice mass recordings. As well as a Stabat Mater that exceeds Pinnock's earlier effort. There is an aura of relentlessness about the Paukenmesse and the Nelson Mass that really match up with the works' original intent nicely. I predict you would like them.

No, you're right, this is a discovery that I also made. You do not need to have any sort of personal religious commitment in order to fully enjoy the beauty of these works. I was later able to branch out from there and begin to enjoy Mozart's masses, and Beethoven's Missa Solemnis a lot more too.  0:)

[Karl Henning]

Incidental Haydn interest here.

[Gurn Blanston]

And on a tangential topic, read this:

     www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/arts/music/16owen.html?pagewanted=all

on why Dr. Owen Burdick was not able to complete the entire set of the Masses for Naxos.

Oh yes, I meant to say. Someone posted that link back when the Naxos Mass box first came up for discussion. I read it with interest at the time, and now that I have heard the entire, I feel even more strongly that Burdick likely got shafted. Which is not to say that Glover doesn't do a very nice job, but not allowing him to finish the project smacks of the sort of trite political bullsh*t that one hopes (in vain) to avoid.

[Uncle Connie]

And on a tangential topic, read this:

     www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/arts/music/16owen.html?pagewanted=all

on why Dr. Owen Burdick was not able to complete the entire set of the Masses for Naxos.

Admitting up front that this article may not give the entire story (i.e. the Trinity 'take' on matters), there are three specific things that bother me very much.  One is the obvious, that Dr. Burdick did not get to finish the project he'd started.  Second is the (minor, but annoying) mention that when Jane Glover took over, she changed the Latin pronunciation from Central European i.e. "Haydnesque" (e.g. Osanna in ex-TSEL-sis) to the English and American style (Osanna in ex-CHEL-sis).  Fanatics such as, er, ahem, the present writer, do not like this.  And third, Dr. Burdick identifies himself as an alcoholic, and it strikes me that dismissing him and in effect casting him to the wolves is a hell of a way for an alleged Christian organization to deal with something like that.  It just so happens that I am extremely well acquainted with another alcoholic whose employer handled the matter very firmly but far more humanely, and I managed to come out of it without my life being severely shattered.  So Good for Burdick for rebuilding things despite Trinity, and Nuts to Trinity for their part in it. 


Now playing:


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Really yummy stuff, and cheap!

[Gurn Blanston]

Admitting up front that this article may not give the entire story (i.e. the Trinity 'take' on matters), there are three specific things that bother me very much.  One is the obvious, that Dr. Burdick did not get to finish the project he'd started.  Second is the (minor, but annoying) mention that when Jane Glover took over, she changed the Latin pronunciation from Central European i.e. "Haydnesque" (e.g. Osanna in ex-TSEL-sis) to the English and American style (Osanna in ex-CHEL-sis).  Fanatics such as, er, ahem, the present writer, do not like this.  And third, Dr. Burdick identifies himself as an alcoholic, and it strikes me that dismissing him and in effect casting him to the wolves is a hell of a way for an alleged Christian organization to deal with something like that.  It just so happens that I am extremely well acquainted with another alcoholic whose employer handled the matter very firmly but far more humanely, and I managed to come out of it without my life being severely shattered.  So Good for Burdick for rebuilding things despite Trinity, and Nuts to Trinity for their part in it. 


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Really yummy stuff, and cheap!

Conrad,
All valid points and hard to argue with. I am less rabid about the Latin pronunciations because I'm not convinced that either way is correct, but in the name of consistency I would have preferred to stick with what one started with. That said though, I don't hold that against Glover, I think she did a nice job in the pinch, but I do hold it against Trinity, as I can't see their rationale as anything but indefensible.

So you like those organ concerti, eh? Another stray that I failed to get my noose around. I think I'll catch it up on the next pass through my wish list...

[Gurn Blanston]

Ooh, I take it back; all the treasures of the Big Box have still not been plumbed!! Those 2 disks are in there, I just never got to them! 

[Karl Henning]

Cor, not even Gurn has ploughed through all the Big Crate!

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[Gurn Blanston]

Cor, not even Gurn has ploughed through all the Big Crate!

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Karl, it is the gift that keeps on giving! After 3 years, there are still some disks (not many) that I haven't spun yet. Of course, I do have several excellent versions of those works, but still that's no excuse! 



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Christine Schornsheim - Hob 16_31 Sonata #46 in F for Keyboard 1st mvmt - Moderato

[Leon]

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[Karl Henning]

Gotta visit da Haus, even when on the go....

[Gurn Blanston]

Yup, kinda scary, especially for someone like me who prefers the harpsichord....

[Leon]

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Really yummy stuff, and cheap!

I think I have a few of those by Ton Koopman.

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Nice.

[Gurn Blanston]

I think I have a few of those by Ton Koopman.

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Nice.

Yes, I imagine it IS nice. I have Koopman playing those same works on harpsichord along with a few others;


which is an indispensable disk, IMO. I need to check out this one though. I have no problem duplicating material, at least not with Haydn!



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Derek Adlam - Clavichord - Hob 16_29 Sonata in F for Keyboard 2nd mvmt - Adagio

[Leon]

Yes, I imagine it IS nice. I have Koopman playing those same works on harpsichord along with a few others;


which is an indispensable disk, IMO. I need to check out this one though. I have no problem duplicating material, at least not with Haydn!

I have the other Koopman set, and agree it is wonderful - however, I think there is only one work duplicated: Hob. XVIII:6. 

[Gurn Blanston]

I have the other Koopman set, and agree it is wonderful - however, I think there is only one work duplicated: Hob. XVIII:6. 

Ah, even better then! I didn't pull it down to look, but I thought he played most of the Hob 18 concerti in there. ¡Bueno! 



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Esterhazy Ensemble - Hob 11_108 Trio in A for Baryton, Viola & Cello Book 5 3rd mvmt - Finale: Allegro assai

[kishnevi]

Well, the Beethoven and Mozart disks hurt me more than the Haydn does (being boxed up and given away). I bought most of the Beethoven as it was released, which was a good thing since it has been virtually unobtainable since then. But the Mozart was already nearly unobtainable, and it took me several years to collect the single disks, at great cost. So if they are in a bot set, strongly advise anyone to snap  them up (especially if they include any of the Tafelmusik disks along with). Great value!

Tafelmusic in not in these boxes, but there's another set I have my eye on in which Tafelmusik plays some Mozart serenades and symphonies, plus a Tafelmusik set of Vivaldi and another of Tafelmusik playing Boccherini,  both featuring Anner Bylsma.   I already have at least one CD of the Vivaldi box (Bylsma playing cello sonatas) and most of the Boccherini I have from one of the Sony budget boxes that was released last year, which was Bylsma playing Boccherini.    So I definitely don't need that one, and the Vivaldi is a low priority.   The Mozart will probably be part of this weekend's order.

The order, btw, landed today, so I have them all in my greedy little hands even as we speak

Closer to thread duty:  now listening to Beghin playing sonatas from the 1780s.  Two more CDs to play before I finish the first listen to this set.

[Gurn Blanston]

Tafelmusic in not in these boxes, but there's another set I have my eye on in which Tafelmusik plays some Mozart serenades and symphonies, plus a Tafelmusik set of Vivaldi and another of Tafelmusik playing Boccherini,  both featuring Anner Bylsma.   I already have at least one CD of the Vivaldi box (Bylsma playing cello sonatas) and most of the Boccherini I have from one of the Sony budget boxes that was released last year, which was Bylsma playing Boccherini.    So I definitely don't need that one, and the Vivaldi is a low priority.   The Mozart will probably be part of this weekend's order.

The order, btw, landed today, so I have them all in my greedy little hands even as we speak

Closer to thread duty:  now listening to Beghin playing sonatas from the 1780s.  Two more CDs to play before I finish the first listen to this set.

Oh, you will like that "Symphonies from Serenades" disk(s). I like those works anyway, and they do a fine job with them. Vivarte is my favorite label over the years, and I have managed to get most of the ones I want. It's hard to spring for a box when I have 90% of the singles...   OTOH, when I price out the ones I don't have yet, I find the box costs less!    Tough choices, amigo! 

Ah, Beghin, 1780. Very nice! 



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Haydn Sinfonietta Wien \ Huss - Hob 01_060 Symphony in C 1st mvmt - Adagio - Presto

[kishnevi]

Ah, Beghin, 1780. Very nice! 

Well played but I'm not sure I'm keen on all the instruments he uses.  The fortepiano on this CD seemed especially tinkly.  So when it finished I switched over to the first listen of an MI performance--Quatour Ebene doing opp. 64/5, 33/1, and 76/1.  Apparently a live performance (I think this was their first recording--on Mirare).  So far (now in the first movement of 33/1) they seem to be doing an excellent job.