Works similar in style to "Le Sacre du printemps" and the "Scythian Suite"?

[Cato]

I suppose the same could be said about Vermeulen Symphony No.2. (I suppose this is that Dutch Le Sacre of some guy)

Agreed!  A masterpiece, a wild, unleashed rampage of the composer's id!

Which brings to mind: the incredible Symphony #6 by Karl Amadeus Hartmann.

[Christo]

I suppose the same could be said about Vermeulen Symphony No.2. (I suppose this is that Dutch Le Sacre of some guy)

Exactly, my words. Louis Andriessen De Staat was mentioned here, but the real equivalent, also in time - 1919 - is Matthijs Vermeulen's Second Symphony, 'Prélude à la nouvelle journée', especially in its most inspired performance available, the one with the Residentie Orchestra (The Hague) under conductor Lucas Vis.

[some guy]

Vermeulen Symphony No.2.

That is the one I was referring to, referencing a thread on another board as if it were one of ours.

As one cannibal said to another, the mind is a terrible thing to taste.

(I don't know why I said that.)

[escher]

 Sun treader (Ruggles) and the third symphony of Jolivet.

Agreed!  A masterpiece, a wild, unleashed rampage of the composer's id!

Which brings to mind: the incredible Symphony #6 by Karl Amadeus Hartmann.

i agree with this one too.

[techniquest]

At very different places on the musical spectrum, I would recommend Nielsen Symphony No.4 'Inextinguishable' and Jon Leifs 'Hekla'. Also, try Khachaturian Symphony No.3.
After those 3 pieces, I'd recommend getting your hearing tested and sitting for a long time in a quiet room

[Cato]

Also, try Khachaturian Symphony No.3.
After those 3 pieces, I'd recommend getting your hearing tested and sitting for a long time in a quiet room

Well, the Khachaturianis a fun potboiler, like watching a Godzilla movie while high on Mountain Dew, but not in the league of Prokofiev or Stravinsky.   

Still, it does have an organ and c. 18 trumpets!     I heard the premiere recording of the work as conducted by Leopold Stokowski!  He was around 90 at the time!

[kishnevi]

Gave a first listen the other night to Prokofiev's ballet "Chout" (The fool who fooled seven other fools").  Don't know if I actually like it,  but I was reasonably impressed and it sounded to me like a work that would fit nicely on this thread.  Also, but less certainly,  another of his ballets, Le Pas d'Acier (The Steel Step, or as CPO insists on Englishing it, THe Steal Step.)

[eyeresist]

Well, the Khachaturianis a fun potboiler, like watching a Godzilla movie while high on Mountain Dew, but not in the league of Prokofiev or Stravinsky.   

"Potboiler" suggests the Khach 3 is a generic work, when as far as I know there is nothing remotely like it in the repertoire. I believe it has depths yet to be explored. The problem is that the great slower, atmospheric sections tend to be wiped out of memory by the trumpet blasts. We need a performance in which the slower sections are established as the foundations of the work.

[techniquest]

"Potboiler" suggests the Khach 3 is a generic work, when as far as I know there is nothing remotely like it in the repertoire. I believe it has depths yet to be explored. The problem is that the great slower, atmospheric sections tend to be wiped out of memory by the trumpet blasts. We need a performance in which the slower sections are established as the foundations of the work.

There are very few recordings of the piece, but the finest by a long way is also the latest: BBC Philharmonic / Glushchenko on Chandos from 1994. This one does at least acknowledge the more lyrical parts of the score and doesn't simply go for the bomburst of the trumpets, organ and a shed-load of percussion (though those parts are very well done). Unfortunately the Armenian / Tjeknavorian recording on ASV from the previous year falls a long way short, though the Symphony No.1 coupling is very good (not as good though as Tjeknavorians previous recording with the LSO). Kondrashins' recording of the 3rd on Melodiya is a powerful performance but the recording doesn't do it justice, though admittedly I am going on the vinyl release and I haven't heard the CD transfer which may well be better.
That brings us back to the Stokowski recording with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and this really does concentrate on the noise and scoots over whatever else may be in the score.
There was a mono recording with Mravinsky which has been released on Brilliant Classics in their Historical Russian Archives series, but it is very old indeed and the recording can't do justice to the enormous score.

[Cato]

"Potboiler" suggests the Khach 3 is a generic work, when as far as I know there is nothing remotely like it in the repertoire.

"Potboiler" refers to the "kitschy" themes in the work, dressed up with 18 trumpets and an organ.  Again, a fun work, so...

I believe it has depths yet to be explored.

...feel free to don that diving suit and explore!   0:)

[escher]

i'd like to know if aside from Night on bald mountain there are other pieces that predate the "barbaric" (for lack of a better term) style used by Stravinsky.

[Wanderer]

i'd like to know if aside from Night on bald mountain there are other pieces that predate the "barbaric" (for lack of a better term) style used by Stravinsky.

http://www.youtube.com/v/fA0XVVNJoFM

[snyprrr]

Husa Music for Prague 1969

Persichetti Parable (for Band)

mm...eh?

[Cato]

i'd like to know if aside from Night on bald mountain there are other pieces that predate the "barbaric" (for lack of a better term) style used by Stravinsky.

How about:  Saint-Saens and the Bacchanale from Samson and Delilah

http://www.youtube.com/v/kcV7vgxeIfQ&feature=related

[eyeresist]

There are very few recordings of the piece, but the finest by a long way is also the latest: BBC Philharmonic / Glushchenko on Chandos from 1994. This one does at least acknowledge the more lyrical parts of the score and doesn't simply go for the bomburst of the trumpets, organ and a shed-load of percussion (though those parts are very well done). Unfortunately the Armenian / Tjeknavorian recording on ASV from the previous year falls a long way short, though the Symphony No.1 coupling is very good (not as good though as Tjeknavorians previous recording with the LSO). Kondrashins' recording of the 3rd on Melodiya is a powerful performance but the recording doesn't do it justice, though admittedly I am going on the vinyl release and I haven't heard the CD transfer which may well be better.
That brings us back to the Stokowski recording with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and this really does concentrate on the noise and scoots over whatever else may be in the score.
There was a mono recording with Mravinsky which has been released on Brilliant Classics in their Historical Russian Archives series, but it is very old indeed and the recording can't do justice to the enormous score.

Wow, glad to find someone who knows the work!
I have Kondrashin in the Venezia CD reissue. The sound isn't as rich as we'd like, and breaks up in the tuttis, particularly towards the end. It's still the best version I've heard, though.
I listened to the brief Amazon sample of Glushchencko - compared to Kondrashin he sounded really anemic. I realise I should hear more than 30s to judge, but still...
Tjeknavorian was okay-ish in 3, but his cycle is pretty disappointing. 1 and 2 are both wide misses (I haven't heard the earlier 1). I've ordered Melodiya's reissue of the composer conducting 1 (live, allegedly 1978) - hopefully that will be good.
I only found out about the Mravinsky recently! From the samples, the sound really is not good enough.

"Potboiler" refers to the "kitschy" themes in the work, dressed up with 18 trumpets and an organ.

Yeah, music with strong feelings is so lame!

[escher]

cato and wanderer: interesting suggestions. The alkan piece sounds like rock'n'roll in the nineteen century

[techniquest]

Wow, glad to find someone who knows the work!
I have Kondrashin in the Venezia CD reissue. The sound isn't as rich as we'd like, and breaks up in the tuttis, particularly towards the end. It's still the best version I've heard, though.
I listened to the brief Amazon sample of Glushchencko - compared to Kondrashin he sounded really anemic. I realise I should hear more than 30s to judge, but still...
Tjeknavorian was okay-ish in 3, but his cycle is pretty disappointing. 1 and 2 are both wide misses (I haven't heard the earlier 1). I've ordered Melodiya's reissue of the composer conducting 1 (live, allegedly 1978) - hopefully that will be good.
I only found out about the Mravinsky recently! From the samples, the sound really is not good enough.

Hmm, it sounds as though the CD transfer of the Kondrashin hasn't improved anything; I have it on vinyl so I shan't bother ordering the CD. Of the Tjeknavorian cycle, I'd rate No.1 as the best with the 3rd next but the 2nd way at the back as a definite last. None are great, but despite the bland recording quality and the fluffed notes, the 1st has energy and enthusiasm, especially in the last movement and captures the 'fresh air' carefree elements in the 1st movement really nicely.
You really must give the Glushchenko a proper listen as it knocks the competition out of the race and is the only recording that can really show the density of the score at the volumes which are required. Many people dismiss Khachaturian as a shallow composer of 'crash, bang, wallop' kitsch with a few nice tunes in between. The symphonies are so worthwhile exploring as they show a side to the composer that 'Gayeneh' and 'Masquerade' obviously don't; even the 3rd has stuff happening in there if you look hard enough.
BTW, if you haven't yet heard the Neeme Jarvi recording of the 2nd symphony on Chandos, then give it a listen as soon as you can - it really is first class.

[eyeresist]

You really must give the Glushchenko a proper listen as it knocks the competition out of the race and is the only recording that can really show the density of the score at the volumes which are required.

Oh alright, it's back on the wishlist 

[pjme]

It's only the first movement, but Szabelski's fifth symphony ( organ, chorus and orchestra) is quite an experience.

http://youtu.be/dtVEVt7KCKU

Szabelski's third symphony can also be heard on You Tube - it is less agressive, but made a favorable iùmpression.

P.