Mahler 10

[Michel]

What a majestic, brilliant and beautiful piece of music. Simply wondrous.

But what recording? I have Chailly, and its lovely, but I am keen to hear Wynn Morris. Does anyone have this rare recording?

And does anyone have any further thoughts on this amazing symphony?

[greg]

And does anyone have any further thoughts on this amazing symphony?

ummmmm.....
it's amazing........

[mahlertitan]

What a majestic, brilliant and beautiful piece of music. Simply wondrous.

But what recording? I have Chailly, and its lovely, but I am keen to hear Wynn Morris. Does anyone have this rare recording?

And does anyone have any further thoughts on this amazing symphony?

there are so many versions of mahler's 10s out there, not mentioning several different completions.

Rattle's 10th with BP is famous for a good reason, however, the one recording that really spoke to me had to be Rudolf Barshai's 10th with Junge deutsche Philhamonie.

WARNING!! stay away from Carpenter's completion of Mahler's 10, it's pure crap.

[bhodges]

I'm very satisfied with Chailly and Rattle, but don't think I have any other recordings at the moment.  Fascinating piece, no doubt about it.  I got to hear Chailly do it with the Concertgebouw at Lincoln Center a few years ago, and Rattle is bringing it to Carnegie with Berlin, in November. 

--Bruce

[BorisG]

What a majestic, brilliant and beautiful piece of music. Simply wondrous.

But what recording? I have Chailly, and its lovely, but I am keen to hear Wynn Morris. Does anyone have this rare recording?

And does anyone have any further thoughts on this amazing symphony?

I do not share your wondrous or amazing descriptions for Mahler 10, though I do favor the Cooke versions, with Rattle, Chailly, Ormandy conducting. I have not heard Morris.

[mahlertitan]

I never regard Mahler's 10th as an authentic symphony, because it was never completed by Mahler himself; but from a purely musical perspective, it's wonderful music, and definitely worth of listening. However, It is important for me to stress that I will not rank symphony no.10 above any of Mahler's other symphonies.

btw, on a unrelated note, Simon Rattle has got some balls, for being in Berlin for so long and hasn't yet recorded a Bruckner symphony.

[Papy Oli]

btw, on a unrelated note, Simon Rattle has got some balls, for being in Berlin for so long and hasn't yet recorded a Bruckner symphony.

I only know of this one, because it suddenly invaded a fair chunk of the somewhat narrow classical sections of my local Virgin/HMV...like all his other recordings.... 

[PSmith08]

I never regard Mahler's 10th as an authentic symphony, because it was never completed by Mahler himself; but from a purely musical perspective, it's wonderful music, and definitely worth of listening. However, It is important for me to stress that I will not rank symphony no.10 above any of Mahler's other symphonies.

That's not entirely correct. If you view the four-stave short score that Mahler prepared as a legitimate composition, then there is a core of completeness. The first two movements are orchestrated by Mahler to match the four-stave draft. The third is about half done. The second half, then, of the symphony is complete - but unorchestrated. Mahler would have added things, inserted things, and generally made changes - but he was making changes to the 2nd until very late in life, as Gilbert Kaplan showed, so one could say that he never completed that one, either.

That having been said, I prefer Cooke's first performing version - with Alma Mahler's blessing - with Ormandy conducting. It just came back out (a year or two back) on Sony Classical. It has a newness and freshness that seem fairly convincing. It isn't monkeyed-around-with, either. Just a straightforward attempt to render the second half playable by an orchestra.

[mahlertitan]

I only know of this one, because it suddenly invaded a fair chunk of the somewhat narrow classical sections of my local Virgin/HMV...like all his other recordings.... 

so, finally!

[Thom]

My absolute favourite is an oldie:

Mahler Symphony no. 10
City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra
Simon Rattle
EMI 7 47301 2 (1985)

[Robert]

Wigglesworth  BBC National Orchestra of Wales.....

[greg]

but he was making changes to the 2nd until very late in life, as Gilbert Kaplan showed, so one could say that he never completed that one, either.

lol, he's like Boulez "a composition is never finished" 
composers need to learn when to finish something and move on....

[BorisG]

Wigglesworth  BBC National Orchestra of Wales.....

That is a good one, Robert. I did not mention it because I did not think it would be readily available, since it was a BBC Music magazine cover CD. I was mistaken. There are three for sale at Amazon.com for under two dollars.

[Michel]

I've listened to this symphony about 4 times in two days, it is not failing to blow me away every time.

There are so many powerful moments, like when you feel genuinely terrified in the second movement.

[mahlertitan]

I've listened to this symphony about 4 times in two days, it is not failing to blow me away every time.

There are so many powerful moments, like when you feel genuinely terrified in the second movement.

when i first heard the Scherzo I, i thought Mahler was both quoting and satirizing his earlier music, i don't know whether you can hear that.

[greg]

the final movement is something else, too.
If you want deep music, something that looks beyond, farther than any music I've ever heard, it's this and this movement (and also the 1st movement, too). I'd say as deep as Mahler 9 is, this is even deeper even if Mahler 9 is the king of all music to me.
the flute solo in the last movement, the huge, blasting discord followed by music from heaven in the first movement is just undescribable, i'm addicted to it. If I had to say something that I wanted to say but could never say it, this symphony is what'd I'd say.

[mahlertitan]

all in all, Mahler's 10th (especially the last movement) reminded me of death, while his 9th was more like a farewell to life...

[greg]

all in all, Mahler's 10th (especially the last movement) reminded me of death, while his 9th was more like a farewell to life...

me too, it's like he wrote it after he died 

[Robert]

That is a good one, Robert. I did not mention it because I did not think it would be readily available, since it was a BBC Music magazine cover CD. I was mistaken. There are three for sale at Amazon.com for under two dollars.

now thats a steal.  This is really a great version folks....

[head-case]

I more interested in the parts the Mahler left more or less intact, rather than the completions.  I was present for a performance of Mahler 10 by the SFS under MTT which was recorded for SACD release by the SFS's own record label.  I will be purchasing it when it is available.