The one recording you think everyone should bin

[Bonehelm]

Er, hate to tell you this, MT, but we've already got a six-page thread on this topic.

Perhaps a Mod could merge yours into mine?

Wow Mark, new fresh look! More mafia like this time with the shades, the last one was so ''artistic''.

[mahlertitan]

Er, hate to tell you this, MT, but we've already got a six-page thread on this topic.

Perhaps a Mod could merge yours into mine?

i could care less, if you want it so bad, go for it.

[Que]

Er, hate to tell you this, MT, but we've already got a six-page thread on this topic.

Perhaps a Mod could merge yours into mine?

And what about this thread: The one recording you think everyone should bin.

Which had a better approach IMO - not naming just any bad recordings - there are truckloads of those and it's too easy (and not interesting) - but well known recordings that are overrated. Nominating a few that were favourites of others made me very popular!

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[Que]

Oh yeah? And what about this thread: Recordings so terrible you had to rip off your ears and feed them to your hamster?

Pity the link doesn't work.....  - the title made me very curious!

Thanks for the good laugh, Mark.

Q

[mahlertitan]

may be i should change the title to "recordings that you think everyone should burn (the act of destroying something with fire)"

plus, i think the old thread spent way too much talking about people who disliked "good" recordings, while only a few truly, bad bad bad recordings were discussed, for starters, no one has yet mentioned Thieleman!

[Que]

plus, i think the old thread spent way too much talking about people who disliked "good" recordings

Quite a few recordings I personally consider "not that good" and some even "bad"

only a few truly, bad bad bad recordings were discussed, for starters, no one has yet mentioned Thieleman!

Maybe some (many?) would consider his recordings "good"? 
In any case he is a wellknown, mainstream performer.

There are a lot of recordings that are so bad, that everybody agrees that they are bad.
I don't see the point of discussing those or obscure recordings, I'm much more interested in different views on mainstream performers/recordings.

Q

[Mozart]

Wow Mark, new fresh look! More mafia like this time with the shades, the last one was so ''artistic''.

He is probably applying for a position as a Mozartian

[M forever]

Maybe some (many?) would consider his recordings "good"? 
In any case he is a wellknown, mainstream performer.

There is plenty of stuff that Thielemann recorded that I totally do not agree with. At all. But he did some very, very good things, too. In any case, even the recordings I personally do not agree with musically are done on a very decent professional level. I can see what he is trying to do (in most, though not all cases, but that may just be me). I think musical ignoramuses who have no knowledge of and connection to the musical culture he comes from and who don't understand why he is doing things in certain ways, and who probably can't even pronouce the names of the composers or interpreters should just shut up and not make such dramatic statements (by which I *don't* mean you, obviously). They should show some respects for cultures they do not understand and their exponents and come back when they have figured out some of the basic things about all that.

this wonderful recording of Bruckner's 7th symphony with WP recorded in 1939

The major beef that i have with this recording is with its atrocious sound quality, the screaming third movement alone should have been labeled "WARNING, might cause serious hearing damage"....Like i said, at times the loud and clear, but at times you can barely hear it....

Duh! The recording was made in *1939*. And who knows under what conditions. The reasons to listen to this, extremely glaringly obviously, can not be expectations of great sound quality. 

What you can't understand about this is that for some people, no matter how badly they sound, such recordings are important documents of such things as historical playing and interpretation styles which are highly interesting for those for whom this kind of music isn't just some exciting noise blaring out of the speakers, but a cultural phenomenon and statement which exists in several dimensions, one of which is the history of reception and performance of the music throughout the times. You may not understand that, but you could respect that for some people, these things are part of their cultural heritage and therefore very worth conserving and investigating.

[Maciek]

OK, before this gets bad and the entire thread goes to the bin: do you want me to merge it or not? And with which other topic(s)?

The one recording you think everyone should bin starts and ends in May.

Recordings you wouldn't wish upon your enemies starts and ends in June.

I could merge all three and there would be no overlap, so they would remain readable (the heading of each message would still retain the original title, so you would know which thread was originally which)...

[Maciek]

OK, Mark, for the time being I'll merge yours with Michel's and wait for what MahlerTitan has to say before I merge his...

[Que]

I'm up for merging all three under the earliest of the three thread titles.

I liked the idea of Mark's Hamster thread best - although the little creatures are usually vegetarian....

Oh yeah? And what about this thread: Recordings so terrible you had to rip off your ears and feed them to your hamster?

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[Maciek]

Stage one: completed.

[Hector]

Watch it, or you may end up with a horse's head in your bed!

How about his head in a horse's bed? No, forget it.

Sinopoli's Mahler.

[Bonehelm]

How about his head in a horse's bed? No, forget it.

Sinopoli's Mahler.

I have only heard his 1st, so I can't say his Mahler sucks, but I hereby announce that his Mahler 1st sucks. Not as much vivacity as Kubelik, not as much emotion as Bernstein, not as much power as Abaddo, not as clear as Bertini. Straight to the 'ster.

[M forever]

Sinopoli's Mahler is fabulous. He explores the soundscapes of that music, the complex textures, the emotional values of the colors, the counterpoints of ideas and images like few other conductors. Adequately partnered by highly involved and virtuoso playing from the Philharmonia. A real trip, stimulating, revealing, challenging. Intelligent and inspired music making on a rare level.

One of the miracles of modern recording history.

Apparently only for advanced listeners, though. For those who at least have a notion that Mahler's music is much more than just a blareboombang orchestral thrill ride, but a complex musical expression of immense depth.

[Hector]

Sinopoli's Mahler is fabulous. He explores the soundscapes of that music, the complex textures, the emotional values of the colors, the counterpoints of ideas and images like few other conductors. Adequately partnered by highly involved and virtuoso playing from the Philharmonia. A real trip, stimulating, revealing, challenging. Intelligent and inspired music making on a rare level.

One of the miracles of modern recording history.

Apparently only for advanced listeners, though. For those who at least have a notion that Mahler's music is much more than just a blareboombang orchestral thrill ride, but a complex musical expression of immense depth.

Yeah, right

Solti's Mahler, then. That sounds pretty blareboombang to me.

In fact Solti and Sinopoli can prop each other up in the bin.

Here's another I don't expect many to agree with: Jochum's Bruckner, all of it. Fatally earthbound.

[M forever]

Yeah, right

Solti's Mahler, then. That sounds pretty blareboombang to me.

In fact Solti and Sinopoli can prop each other up in the bin.

Here's another I don't expect many to agree with: Jochum's Bruckner, all of it. Fatally earthbound.

Definitely one of the best Bruckner cycles ever recorded. Very complex interpretations. Highly authentic and idiomatic orchestral playing. You do not understand that, obviously, but that doesn't matter. You simply don't understand the musical culture behind this music. Your loss. But instead of listening and learning, you prefer to simmer in the juice of your own ignorance. People even take the time to point out to you what you are missing. Wasted time. But again, your loss.

[cx]

Sinopoli's Mahler is fabulous.

I haven't heard the whole set but I agree. Then again, I am a natural Sinopoli fanatic and love mostly everything he touched. He is IMO one of the truly great conductors from the past several decades.

For anyone interested, here is a quote by Sinopoli regarding the Mahler 1:

"The Mahler First is about the loss of nature. In Mahler, there is a feeling of nature as the moment in childhood where everything is in order, and the feeling of loss because as life progresses it moves farther and farther from the natural state. Once you begin to stray, the conflict begins. And what Mahler is saying here is, Come back."

Norman Lebrecht, The Maestro Myth (London: Simon and Schuster, 1991), 229.

[Renfield]

that is an interesting take on the 1st symphony.
Regarding to Sinopoli's Mahler, which performance are you guys talking about? be more specific, "Sinopoli's Mahler" that's pretty vague there.

I would assume they're talking about the DG cycle.

[Sean]

I bin almost all my recordings. I only have a few box sets in the drawer of some hard to borrow stuff that I wanted to get to know, plus some minimalism for the car.

I don't like possessing stuff, and before all that long all hardware will be obsolete with all music ever recorded available on the internet...